DarkJediKnight said:
Youtube dude said:One of these guys HAS TO BE the "starwars kid"'s dad
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DarkJediKnight said:
Youtube dude said:One of these guys HAS TO BE the "starwars kid"'s dad
ssoass said:Isn't it not tolerated in the US military as well?
Don't ask don't tell?
RiskyChris said:Why is it less important? Because the wars are completely fucking different, and Nazis were supported by a very powerful and centralized authority system.
xbhaskarx said:So if we ever invade Iran with its powerful centralized authority system, then calling it "operation infinite justice" will be acceptable... gotcha.
Yeah I was considering editing that out after I read it afterwards, because I realised it was a bit dumb.RiskyChris said:You are nuts. What's their problem tacitly becomes ours.
How would they get a matching sample?Empty said:should have just brought a camera or something, or taken a piece of hair if they wanted dna. less hassle (in terms of being seen as a politically provocative move) and safer given that i can't imagine hacking a head off with a knife is something you can do quickly, something probably somewhat necessary when in a dangerous warzone.
Meadows said:pretty badass
Rorschach said:How would they get a matching sample?
shagg_187 said:Funny how a situation changes when it's the other way around.
Mechanical Snowman said:Yeah I was considering editing that out after I read it afterwards, because I realised it was a bit dumb.
I did want your views on the homosexuality thing though, seeing as you think we should be so respectful of their religion / culture or whatever in case we "piss them off".
shagg_187 said:Funny how a situation changes when it's the other way around.
You can collect hair, though I feel the Taliban would get just as pissy, but you risk contamination of the sample if not secured well, and I doubt you get optimal situations on the battlefield.Rorschach said:How would they get a matching sample?
RiskyChris said:If there was actual evidence that it was hurting more than helping, I don't see any problem with moving gay imperialist pawns to other parts of the globe.
finowns said:And now you are nuts.
RiskyChris said:If there was actual evidence that it was hurting more than helping, I don't see any problem with moving gay imperialist pawns to other parts of the globe.
Rorschach said:How would they get a matching sample?
Army sources said that the soldier, who is in his early 20s, initially told investigators that he unsheathed his kukri the symbolic weapon of the Gurkhas after running out of ammunition.
But later the Taliban fighter was mutilated so his identity could be verified through DNA tests.
Mechanical Snowman said:Nothing is done to intentionally piss them off, if they start crying over some bullshit, it's their problem.
What about gay troops fighting in the middle east, too? Should they be discharged because homosexuality isn't tolerated in Islamic countries?
xbhaskarx said:Are you a joke character? Please tell me you are a joke character.
Empty said:just being gay isn't an overt, and provocative move like openly treating the dead in a way antithetical to muslim cultural values is. it's more like afghans knowing that some people in the coalition forces don't have a problem burying soldiers without heads. unless they are going round having public gay sex orgies in afghani village squares, which i think would be punished somehow, i don't think the comparison is that valid.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:I don't think when Saudi Arabia executes people for being gay its due to massive sticky, wet, and wild public orgies in Mecca.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:You can collect hair, though I feel the Taliban would get just as pissy, but you risk contamination of the sample if not secured well, and I doubt you get optimal situations on the battlefield.
Good question on the cutting off, but if the person was dead and the knife was powerful enough its possible. I'm shocked Mythbusters never did a Rambo episode to test out if you can decapitate an enemy in one blow. Man a Rambo themed Mythbusters episode would be awesome.
EDIT: Sorry I thought you meant from the solider.
It is when you consider the question of whether homosexuality would need to be overt to send the Taliban into a homophobic tailspin of bitchiness to rant about. It clearly isn't.RiskyChris said:I don't think this is relevant in any way.
mre said:This only makes a difference if there's some sort of reference sample to compare the DNA sample to.
I wasn't directly comparing my point to the story in the OP.Empty said:just being gay isn't an overt, and provocative move like openly treating the dead in a way antithetical to muslim cultural values is. it's more like afghans knowing that some people in the coalition forces don't have a problem burying soldiers without heads. unless they are going round having public gay sex orgies in afghani village squares, which i think would be punished somehow, i don't think the comparison is that valid.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:You can collect hair, though I feel the Taliban would get just as pissy, but you risk contamination of the sample if not secured well, and I doubt you get optimal situations on the battlefield.
Good question on the cutting off, but if the person was dead and the knife was powerful enough its possible. I'm shocked Mythbusters never did a Rambo episode to test out if you can decapitate an enemy in one blow. Man a Rambo themed Mythbusters episode would be awesome.
EDIT: Sorry I thought you meant from the solider.
In combat, the kukri is basically used in three different styles: stabbing with the point, slashing or chopping with the edge, and (rarely) throwing. Because it has an angular blade bending towards the opponent, the user need not create an angle in the wrist, which makes a kukri more comfortable as a stabbing weapon. Its heavy blade enables the user to inflict deep wounds and to cut through muscle and bone. Gorkhas were known for using the kukri to chop off an enemy soldier's head with one stroke.
and how the hell do you know this?xbhaskarx said:We have the DNA of all known terrorists in a database, even for those whose entire families live in remote mountainous Afghani/NWFP villages that are hostile to us.
Enosh said:and how the hell do you know this?
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:It is when you consider the question of whether homosexuality would need to be overt to send the Taliban into a homophobic tailspin of bitchiness to rant about. It clearly isn't.
Enosh said:and how the hell do you know this?
Air Zombie Meat said:From wikipedia:In combat, the kukri is basically used in three different styles: stabbing with the point, slashing or chopping with the edge, and (rarely) throwing. Because it has an angular blade bending towards the opponent, the user need not create an angle in the wrist, which makes a kukri more comfortable as a stabbing weapon. Its heavy blade enables the user to inflict deep wounds and to cut through muscle and bone. Gorkhas were known for using the kukri to chop off an enemy soldier's head with one stroke.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:I don't think when Saudi Arabia executes people for being gay its due to massive sticky, wet, and wild public orgies in Mecca. The implication is more than enough.
:lolmre said:My head hurts, man. I just got nailed in the face with the sarcasm that flew over your head.
mre said:My head hurts, man. I just got nailed in the face with the sarcasm that flew over your head.
RiskyChris said:The point is that a gay soldier is not nearly as overt as an actual tangible action.
I don't see how there is much connection between how they (Saudi Arabia?) persecute their own gay people and how they'd (the Taliban?) react to gay coalition soldiers.
Oh I have absolutely no problem with gays being allowed to serve. Honestly to countries bitchy about that, then they can bugger off. I'm just saying the Taliban will bitch regardless of overt homosexual acts or just implications, because they're homophobic assholes.the implication can be stirred up whether or not there are any gay soldiers, though, without open provocative homosexuality. so it's meaningless to my point about trying to acknowledge the need to act sensitively. of course it also brings into account the fact that the forces' needs aren't the only factor, i think allowing homosexuals to serve even if it is the tiniest provocative is permissible to help overcome struggles in other places, as well as being a matter of human rights, .
Meadows said:To sum up, RiskyChris is a bit of a bellend, and is ridiculously naive, and a Gurkha chopping off a head is worth more attention than a self-righteous GAF poster. Back to the awesome knives.
i hardly think it's baffling that the coalition forces in afganistan, who want to eliminate the taliban, along with it's influence, and establish a legitimate, stable and democratic central government that is supported by them, as well as maintain the safety of their troops by improving relations with the afghan people (for intelligence and strategic benefits), would want to take steps to possibly avoid angering the population, who are crucial in succeeding there. nor do i think it's out there to recognize that there is a good chance that this soldiers actions, thanks to the cultural beliefs of people living there about burials, might hurt attempts to garner support and as a result endanger their strategic aims in the region as well as damage the safety of our troops . it's not "political correctness gone mad tm", it's acknowledging that acting sensitively in an occupied territory with a different culture to us helps benefit our aims.
fizzelopeguss said:A gurkha chopping the head off a "hated" taliban while under fire ain't gonna do shit to relations. And if it does then those afghanis need a reality check.
last time I checked the Israelies are still working on that sarcasm detectorxbhaskarx said:My sarcasm detector told me.
fizzelopeguss said:A load of fancy words, afghanistan is a third world country regularly fought over by warlords. Every man carries a kalashnikov and it's not uncommon to beat women and bum little boys. A gurkha chopping the head off a "hated" taliban while under fire ain't gonna do shit to relations. And if it does then those afghanis need a reality check.
A part of me wonders how much of that is due to the action and a little to the fact the Taliban (while made up of a diverse amount of tribes) don't see people from Nepal that often. I hate to indulge too much of the whole martial race thing, but I wonder what effect some "godly/foreign/unknown" solider from a race not encountered or really well known about has on the enemy. If you knew Americans some who happened to be black or Hispanic were attacking, not a huge deal, normal soldiers you face. What if it's some specialized group of say Filipino or Indonesian soldiers who are not citizens of the country and have a proud and well known history and warrior tradition are operating in the area. Guys who also have a proud tradition of BFKnives and considered some of the best soldiers in the world. I have to wonder if they wouldn't shit bricks in part due to the mystique as well.Friend currently serving out there told me about this just over a month ago. Apparently it made another taliban commander shit bricks and made a run for it
B For Bendetta said:Geez is this the thread of logical fallacy and chest pumping blind national pride? The soldier violated International Law, and YES, it is covered under the Geneva Conventions under Additional Protocol I. The Geneva Conventions are set up to be respected by signatories even in conflicts with non-signatories specifically because of this "Well they do worse stuff to us" idiocy. If you guys want to condone and endorse such violations of international law, then maybe your sense of morality is closer to these terrorist organizations you hate so much than to the western world.
RiskyChris said:lol you compared violations of international law (hey we all break it) to speeding
B For Bendetta said:Geez is this the thread of logical fallacy and chest pumping blind national pride? The soldier violated International Law, and YES, it is covered under the Geneva Conventions under Additional Protocol I. The Geneva Conventions are set up to be respected by signatories even in conflicts with non-signatories specifically because of this "Well they do worse stuff to us" idiocy. If you guys want to condone and endorse such violations of international law, then maybe your sense of morality is closer to these terrorist organizations you hate so much than to the western world.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:LOL I already said I was doing that.
Nice way to not respond to any issues presented. You seem to be very selective in who you respond to. It's as if you're allergic to responding to anything by anyone who presents evidence in support of it's view. You're dismissive nature betrays you inability to properly argue a point.
Says the guys whose posting history not related to Western porn or Western women on the beach says otherwise.RiskyChris said:Says the guy who dismissed my posting as simply anti-western garbage bias with no grounding in reality.
RiskyChris is naive...for agreeing with the British Army's decision?Meadows said:OMG GUYS, DON'T KILL PEOPLE THAT WE ARE AT WAR WITH, MAYBE IF WE TALK ABOUT OUR FEELINGS AFTER THE WEDNESDAY TALIBAN POETRY SLAM WE CAN JOIN HANDS AND SING KUMBAYA AND END THE WAR.
Shit sucks. People have to die. Heads sometimes have to be cut. Nobody wants it this way, but that's the way it is.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Says the guys whose posting history not related to Western porn or Western women on the beach says otherwise.
You are still attempting to avoid examining the point.
In short you're just going to ignore the main issue and focus on an (honestly) unimportant sub-issue as a means of avoiding your inability to counter the points I've made.RiskyChris said:I don't really have any interest in the point to be quite honest. I have had nothing but ample evidence and reasons for my critiques of what you call "western ideas." Just because you don't care to see it and just call me biased and irrational doesn't make it so.
No, but it would actually produce evidence to make a claim that you're not fundamentally Anti-American.RiskyChris said:And what, if I started posting the good things about America would it make you feel better? Being critical doesn't preclude my recognizing anything positive about the western world.
Speaking of avoiding the issue, I hear name-calling can be pretty effective.Manos: The Hans of Fate said:In short you're just going to ignore the main issue and focus on an (honestly) unimportant sub-issue as a means of avoiding your inability to counter the points I've made.
No, but it would actually produce evidence to make a claim that you're not fundamentally Anti-American.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:In short you're just going to ignore the main issue and focus on an (honestly) unimportant sub-issue as a means of avoiding your inability to counter the points I've made.
No, but it would actually produce evidence to make a claim that you're not fundamentally Anti-American.