Hey now, back then the community hated Zoo for playing on curve and thought how Scarlet Crusader clearing your Yeti with help from Dark Iron Dwarf was the highest form of cancer.
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Hey now, back then the community hated Zoo for playing on curve and thought how Scarlet Crusader clearing your Yeti with help from Dark Iron Dwarf was the highest form of cancer.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
lol what...? Zoo, face hunter, token druid, sunshine hunter, murlock... these things dominated you early game if you had a slow deck. And these decks were heavily played in order to beat miracle rogue. There was a time before zoo where decks were far too value heavy. Everyone was playing azure drake and argent commander, not because they fit and deserved to be in their decks, but because they were considered very value heavy cards.
Sunshine Hunter? That's a new one.
Actually I should've said Twilight Drake because of Handlock. Nowadays when you do that you are basically starting the game with sub 20 HP.
When I started playing there was the original Warrior Molten Giant OTK combo. Shit was ridiculous LMAO!
Actually I should've said Twilight Drake because of Handlock. Nowadays when you do that you are basically starting the game with sub 20 HP.
That was the time I was talking about but admittedly that was when Argent Commander was a 4/2 and Defender of Argus was better as well.
When I started playing there was the original Warrior Molten Giant OTK combo. Shit was ridiculous LMAO!
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
http://www.elitedecks.net/deck-1966-sunshine-hunter
Sunshine hunter was the name for the midrange hunter deck that lifecoach made and popularized. I don't remember if this is the best list to show but it seems pretty close. It was very popular at one time. I think miracle rogue shut the popularity down by quite a bit since the UTH/buzzard combo wasn't particularly great against a class that played so few minions and then bursted you down.
Not sure why it was called Sunshine Hunter, this was just the standard UTH/Buzzard combo deck back when the combo was 4 mana (LMAO!) This particular one is the budget variation.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Those hunter decks were essentially copies of sunshine hunter.
Yeah I am asking why is it called "Sunshine" in particular when it was generally based around Beasts and UTH + Buzzard combo.
Freeze Mage and Grim Patron deck.
He even saved the coin...
hey man, some people here believe he's god, you'd better watch out with that blasphemy.
Haunted
Member
Tyrion, maybe not the most powerful 8 drop because there are a lot of 8 mana legendaries with strong effects, but is one of the best for sure.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Yeah Dr. 8 dont make much sense since he came before dr 7 and 6
Pre-Nerf Nat Pagle wouldn't even get run in this meta. Drawing cards? Ain't nobody got time for that.
Haunted
Member
Totally agreed. Just say fucking Tirion, there's lots of strong 8 drops.
Dr Boom -> Dr. 7, MC as op as Boom -> Dr. 6, Tirion -> Dr. 8 because why not
Not saying it makes sense, but that's how it is.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I chose Blingtron over Hemet in Arena and I realized Hemet is actually pretty good now because North Sea Kraken is auto picked. Oh well, Blingtron has won me 1 game so far
RumblingRosco
Member
Someone explain the thread title to me please. Thanks.
North Sea Kraken is not a beast.
O Tannebaum is a famous german christmas carol. It translates as "Oh Christmas Tree"
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Oh never mind then. That's pretty dumb. They are in WoW.
BananasWithGuns
Member
It's kind of insane to think about just about how many exceptional cards Paladin has gotten since GVG.
It used to be the worst class in the game. Minibot and Muster for Battle changed the game for them.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
I finally got a second 12-win arena run! It was with a Paladin . . . again. But to be fair, last time I did it Paladin it was a mediocre class.
The deck I did it with was pretty meh. It didn't even have any epics or legendaries!
And here were my rewards:
I would've preferred a TGT pack, and the pack only had a rare, but I still can't complain. ^_^
The deck I did it with was pretty meh. It didn't even have any epics or legendaries!
I kid, it was a really, really strong deck.
And here were my rewards:
I would've preferred a TGT pack, and the pack only had a rare, but I still can't complain. ^_^
veloxStrix
Banned
Sometimes you get to Legend 45, and then you lose to a Shaman who got Taunt totem every time he rolled, 2 Vitality Totems from both Tuskars, and ran Acidic Swamp Ooze.
The pains of being Rogue at heart. Think I'll sit here for the season. I doubt I'll fall back too far, and even if I do this is my all time highest rank.
Guess I should go do some Halloween stuff since no one even came to my house to pilfer my candy.
The pains of being Rogue at heart. Think I'll sit here for the season. I doubt I'll fall back too far, and even if I do this is my all time highest rank.
Guess I should go do some Halloween stuff since no one even came to my house to pilfer my candy.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
Oh, and I forgot to tell you guys. I pulled my first golden legendary yesterday!
I already have a regular Fjola, so I dusted it to finally make a Justicar Trueheart and also finally make a Control Warrior deck. I'm loving it! I'm still missing Alexstraza and Grom, but it seems to be working really well regardless. Plus, there's nothing quite like tanking up to over 30HP after being near the brink of death.
I already have a regular Fjola, so I dusted it to finally make a Justicar Trueheart and also finally make a Control Warrior deck. I'm loving it! I'm still missing Alexstraza and Grom, but it seems to be working really well regardless. Plus, there's nothing quite like tanking up to over 30HP after being near the brink of death.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
WHO AM I? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
Blizzard probably knows how much i love encountering this deck on ladder...
Blizzard probably knows how much i love encountering this deck on ladder...
I'm gonna post my latest refined rogue deck. I am currently 75% winrate in legend, climbing from rank 3300ish to 526 (there are 10k+ legend so top 5% of legend rank atm). It is an oil deck with more reliance on tempo swings than big burst combos. Across all variants I am 26-13 (67%) but as I refined the list the winrate grew and I am currently 15-5 (75%). I have not lost a single paladin match out of 8.
Not using the 4-Mana removal? (Forget the name.)
Yup and Paladins would froth at their mouth if that card is played against them.
"Well Met... now I get more Divine Favor value!"
Also the average strength of early drop minions is stronger now than when Pagle was strong. Most decks would just develop their board and then deal with Pagle a bit later even if it drew 1 or 2 cards.
It's sad that Blizzard doesn't use the Pagle/Tinkmaster balancing philosophy for a bunch of other RNG dependent cards in the game. It seemed like back then Blizzard actually gave a damn about the competitive integrity of the game.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
Oh, and I forgot to tell you guys. I pulled my first golden legendary yesterday!
I already have a regular Fjola, so I dusted it to finally make a Justicar Trueheart and also finally make a Control Warrior deck. I'm loving it! I'm still missing Alexstraza and Grom, but it seems to be working really well regardless. Plus, there's nothing quite like tanking up to over 30HP after being near the brink of death.
Just after I post this, this game happens:
I love it! XD
BananasWithGuns
Member
Seems like more and more people are calling for Blizzard to get a bit more liberal with the nerfs and buffs.
They should really implement some kind of testing ground where people can try out a nerfed or buffed version of a card and Blizzard could gather data and feedback based on that, probably a lot more than they would get from internal testing as well. Something like that also might have been able to save Warsong Commander from death.
They should really implement some kind of testing ground where people can try out a nerfed or buffed version of a card and Blizzard could gather data and feedback based on that, probably a lot more than they would get from internal testing as well. Something like that also might have been able to save Warsong Commander from death.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Hmm, you mean something like a Public Test Server?
WoW I can't believe they never thought of that
Starving Buzzard should've been a 4 mana card. They over nerfed that card by making it 5 mana.
Flare should probably go back to being a 1 mana card. Starving Buzzard nerf was already an indirect nerf to Flare as stated by Ben Brode.
Healing Totem should heal the Shaman as well.
100% agree, they should be embracing the digital format.
They used to be way more frequent with the changes but the changes were more marginal. A stat point here, a mana cost here. There was very little deleting of cards before.
They also added better dailies, you have a pretty decent chance now to get a quest that is 50 gold or higher.
And Tavern Brawl is still pretty cool and you at least get a pack per week.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Well, Mage is pretty good right now.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Sabotage?
Honestly, a good number of the problems going on in the game right now would be fixed if Mysterious Challenger was nuked from orbit.
Secret Paladin, being the insanely powerful yet brainless deck that it is is really shaping the meta right now. Decks are judged by how well they stack against it. And the only way to compete with its insane tempo and finisher with MC is to out-tempo and go even faster than it is before the MC drops and closes the game. Most midrange and control decks have been pushed out because they can't hack it against aggressive tempo lists and nothing dies cleanly to solid removal spells anymore. It used to be that two brawls was unheard of but now EVERY warrior is running double brawl. Patron was the only deck that really punished all the little dirty minions and token shits running around and while the deck still exists it can't punish them like it used to. Now it just screws with Druid and Face Hunter.
Secret Paladin essentially merged aggro paladin and midrange paladin into a fluid archetype that essentially has all the pros of both without any of the drawbacks. The original weakness of midrange Paladin was that it lacked a solid burst finisher, but MC gave it that. The original weakness of aggro Paladin was that it suffered harshly against cheap board clears like whirlwind and swipe or solid taunts. If a Secret Paladin can't drop resilient dirty bombs on every single turn and then close out with MC then other decks will have an easier time countering it. So you'll have a wider variety of decks and a better meta.
Remember when Mech Mage was the deck with a target on its head? Those days were pretty good. It didn't run any dirty minions except shredder, annoy-o-tron, and dr boom. Everything else dies pretty cleanly. But noooo... mechwarper was too strong they said.
BigJonsson
Member
#$@#%$#@%$#@%$#%$@#~!!!!!!
Was playing secret Paladin sans Tirion the past few days, got to my highest rank ever
Just finished beating a warlock who roped EVERY turn and posed no threat to me, finished daily quest and had enough gold for a pack
Figured I'd buy a classic pack as there are a handful of cards I still don't have and keep getting duplicates in TGT
Open the pack and nice, a golden rare, 2 commons and an explosion for a legendary....I get excited, the card flips over and it's.....
Tirion!
Woohoo
Oh wait, it was a golden common, not rare, got too excited haha
Was playing secret Paladin sans Tirion the past few days, got to my highest rank ever
Just finished beating a warlock who roped EVERY turn and posed no threat to me, finished daily quest and had enough gold for a pack
Figured I'd buy a classic pack as there are a handful of cards I still don't have and keep getting duplicates in TGT
Open the pack and nice, a golden rare, 2 commons and an explosion for a legendary....I get excited, the card flips over and it's.....
Tirion!
Woohoo
Oh wait, it was a golden common, not rare, got too excited haha
yay, i'm in the rank 5 club for the first time this month. I thought i'd be stuck at 6 with my hunter but i got some good draws. consistently beat freeze mages, split on paladins and hunters so i kept getting tossed back and forth.
running this with one savannah and one stealthy tiger who helps out a lot to get the final kill.
running this with one savannah and one stealthy tiger who helps out a lot to get the final kill.
I still think stuff like SR + FoN, Dr Balanced and Mad Scientist are over tuned as well.
MC being nerfed isn't really going to nerf the aggro/tempo game. People are still going to play the aggro/tempo game. There isn't enough stuff in the game that punishes it. If anything Druid would just be even better in a meta without Secret Paladin and it will just be Druids as the best, Zoolock/Tempo Mage/Hunters (as counters to Druid), Freeze Mage (to counter Zoolock) and Control Warrior (to counter Freeze Mage/Hunters).
MC as a card should never have existed to begin with TBQH.
MC being nerfed isn't really going to nerf the aggro/tempo game. People are still going to play the aggro/tempo game. There isn't enough stuff in the game that punishes it. If anything Druid would just be even better in a meta without Secret Paladin and it will just be Druids as the best, Zoolock/Tempo Mage/Hunters (as counters to Druid), Freeze Mage (to counter Zoolock) and Control Warrior (to counter Freeze Mage/Hunters).
MC as a card should never have existed to begin with TBQH.