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Hideki Kamiya on PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: "It's just a ripoff."
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It's obviously Sony's intention to take a big ol' bite out of SSB's popularity, but for them to actually succeed... that would be a surprise. To put it lightly.
You know that Smash ripped off the arcade game made by Namco? the game name is "The Outfoxies"....Youtube link!
yea but the catch here is that, the ones who worked on this game worked on SSB.
yea but the catch here is that, the ones who worked on this game worked on SSB.
Boss Man
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Why do you think that? I think Sony is simply recognizing Smash's popularity and realizing that a mascot fighter is something that players want and will buy. I really don't think the intention of PS All-Stars is to take sales away from SSB, nor do I think it will.
Wait.. Smash has to compete with PSASBR, and not the other way around?
This was the same thing that, threw me off, a successful franchise vs a new IP?
jimmythepage
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wowowow...that looks crazy fun to play *_*
And about the "ripping off" thing, it's just about the "platforming gameplay" or the "platform mascottes" use as characters?
Or the mix of them?
Because it seems so weird that there seems to be just 2 games about it, I'm sure there are more out there, maybe limited to just one franchise (ala Red Hot Rumble).
It will definitely take away sales from SSB., if you think about it SSB. was the only worthwhile game in the genre, now that Sony made their version, Sony fans who used to play SSB. for the simple mechanic will not buy SSB. because they have their own version and their will be alot of people changing their preference, it's all because of console wars.
I don't think that's true at all.
IF you like Smash, you'll continue to buy Smash.
You just have another game in the market to play.
More options is never a bad thing.
I met all sort of people, this thing doesn't apply to me of course because I iwll buy PSASBR just to wait for SSB4....but alot of people love to play the loyalty game.....
What is the difference between "technical level" and "software level?" Were you referring to something else with the word technical?
Yeah I love the intricate plot to P-100. I was especially blown away by the twist that the events in P-100 actually take place at the same time as the events of P-101: Bayonetta gets a haircut. I fell in love with the characters, I really did.
Most games are derivative of another game these days. We've been through how many console generations? I mean shit, Super Mario Brothers was derivative of a game like The Great Gianna Sisters, but you don't see many people complaining about that.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The genre is common - it's that most of them are in Japan.
Not sure if dissing P-100 is serious :/
JStein0222
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Whats the difference between every fighting game ever? Characters, stages, mechanics.
What's the differences between All Stars and Smash Bros? Characters, stages, mechanics.
What's the differences between All Stars and Smash Bros? Characters, stages, mechanics.
It's about as serious as Bayonetta getting a haircut bro.
Hence why this thread is on page 23
. Besides my posts.
staticneuron
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There is a simple logic to that.
SSB didn't create arena fighters, so if people or saying that PASB is ripping off SSB they are going with the simple logic that the "mascots" crossover theme is the rip off. FMM is in fact an early example of that. So if it sounds silly... then it is.
Again I pointed out the term Mascot fighters only appeared recently and it is silly because it is still crossover but it seems that the term was created to stoke this silly battle of who-dun-it-first.
See. It has quickly dominated the vernacular.
Well using that logic..... Fighters Megamix.
The problem is that people have this nasty habit of taking something they favor and or is really popular and thinking that it is either the first or everything is simply influenced by it. While that may be correct in this case, it is worth pointing out that SB hasn't seem to say so. If the team is made up of people who know fighters than it is entirely possible that ideas were not influenced by SSB but by other fighters on the market that many people who are not fans of the genre don't seem to know exist.
TDLink
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Huh? Kamiya has nothing to do with Smash Bros. Why should he even care?
This is a joke, right?
corporate cheerleader
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That should have been obvious, come on.
No. Rational people always assume a game that came out in 1985 derives from a game that came out in 1987.
:/
Trying to lighten this thread up a little bit and failing harder than the Red Sox this year.
staticneuron
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Think he is kidding. The two games aren't in competition because their selling points is the allure of fighting with known characters popular from franchises found in each library. Since there isn't much crossover they aren't really competing.
Dude you're a hero. Heroes are supposed to be literate and aware. Did you not watch Drive?
Boss Man
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I think the reality is just that 'mascot fighter' describes the draw of SSB in the first place. That's what SSB is, regardless of whether or not it was the first to do it.
What would you rather people say, "A game like SSB, you know with Mario and stuff but with different people this time for Sony."?
Drive was a great movie.
You are indeed a real human being and a real hero.
Not that this adds to the "conversation," but yes- Drive is awesome.
staticneuron
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Crossover. The Term is "Crossover". It has existed for a very long time and is a perfect word to describe these games.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fighting_games#Crossover
Boss Man
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I like mascot fighter better for SSB and PS-All Stars :crossarms:
It better describes something like Mario fighting Luigi.
Although I guess PS All-Stars would arguably make more sense being called a crossover fighting game, with that leaked roster.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Agreed.
Huh? Kamiya has nothing to do with Smash Bros. Why should he even care?
Yes Hero, it certainly does
GrayFoxPL
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This right here is a pretty damn good way to look at it all. It's been 4 years since brawl came out and im hype for a game like it.
Agreed.Yes Hero, it certainly does
Just like World of Warcraft has to compete with all those other MMORPGs.
GrayFoxPL
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You answered yourself.
It looks almost identical. If you showed someone that hadn't played either game a screen of each, they'd think it was the same game. All it looks like is that they came up with another rule set to go along with stock, timed and coin grab from ssb. Even the special moves are done in the exact same fashion. It's a rip-off and i can't believe they weren't too embarrassed to go through with it. It may as well be from Gameloft.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Blizzard defense force isn't the same. I think it's the lack of genuine fear.
TDLink
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Is there a reason you posted his tweets in my quote as if to imply I was referencing that? Because I don't like words being put in my mouth.
Kamiya was specifically asked what he thought about the game and responded. That is completely independent of your comment which I was addressing, in that he should "thank Sony". He has no cause to thank Sony for anything because he has nothing to do with the development of Super Smash Bros. 4.
And yes, SSB4 will have to compete with PSABR just like PSABR is right now going to have to compete with Brawl.The amount of competition it actually provides could be up for debate though (ie, by time Smash 4 is out PSABR has a good chance of being an afterthought in most peoples' minds).
What about lining up pics of games like doa, tekken and virtua fighter?
Those look vastly different from each other other than it's similar visual style. IF you understood fighting games, you'd clearly see that.
Agent Unknown
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lttp lol Kamiya is epic, having him as a Gaffer would be amazing.
I'm sure it will be a good game but he pretty much nailed it.
I'm sure it will be a good game but he pretty much nailed it.
staticneuron
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The game is called Super Smash Bros. The game is centered around characters from the mario franchise the other characters are crossovers. The game itself can still be described as crossover because of the sheer amount of characters from other franchises.
The them for all crossover is similar. Normally the rivalry between two characters is the main driving element or there is one uber powerful baddie.
They look different in motion. But simply showing pics of the games, especially of females squaring off, would fool anyone who didn't know these franchises into thinking they were the same. And I AM a fighting game fan. (Don't like tekken much but that is another story)
That's my point. And is the issue I'm having with this. I've played one and seen the gameplay of the other, and other than being in the crossover multiplayer genre, I'm not seeing what makes people call this a rip off.
Fear of what exactly? I don't think anyone on either side of the argument thinks PASBR is going to come out and make SSB4 irrelevant.
I've played both. In the case of All-Stars, there's still time for them to patch the game, make DLC changes, and whatnot, but you absolutely can tell that it's barely more than a clone when you compare them. SSB has better controls, however.
Now tell me how you really feel.
Meanwhile I will hold your hand.
btw. It doesn't "feel" like SSB
Just play it for a few minutes.
btw. I doesn't "feel" like SSB
It's like SSB if you slopped up the controls a bit and slowed things down. Also if you added in some overpowered supers that kind of ruin things.
I tried to like the game. I basically ran to it at E3 and camped on the station as long as they'd let me and I went back several times. It's just...not good.
Night_Trekker
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Some of the best 8-bit and 16-bit classics are obviously clones of other games.
That said, I have 0 interest in this game. Kamiya is my hero.
That said, I have 0 interest in this game. Kamiya is my hero.
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