Exactly. You made the point yourself.
Based on...?
Reviews or a blatant overemphasis on review scores?
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What's the category then? It seemed like it was simply colorful games that stray away from typical AAA.
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How can Microsoft look at their current upcoming lineup and feel content with it?
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Exactly. You made the point yourself.
Based on...?
Reviews or a blatant overemphasis on review scores?
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What's the category then? It seemed like it was simply colorful games that stray away from typical AAA.
Obsidian isn't, that was my point lol. I just don't want Rare making a Fable game either. They have too much good IP they're sitting on. I would rather they tackle Banjo, Conker, Viva Pinata, make another new IP or hell just focus heavily on Sea of Thieves than try to take on a large RPG like Fable would be.
What? What timed exclusive do they have in the pipeline?
They need to focus on creating more of a globalized product. Build more studios in europe, build more in Japan, open more studios focused on smaller, more niche development and more risky projects.
Start hosting more events outside of the usual suspects everyone else goes to.
Properly demonstrate to people that the Xbox is not just a US focused AAA sports, shooter and racer machine with a few smaller partnerships tacked on.
Ori and the blind forest was a great start, i think games like Cuphead are absolutely on point.
But it can't stop there.
IcyRhythms
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I think reviews can play a factor when it comes to sales, but reviews carry no weight in which platform has a better lineup of games. All that shit is subjective. Quality is subjective.
Dash_Riprock
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I'm just gonna assume they're saving their best stuff for the Scorpio and treating it like a new console release.
RichiRamjag
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Assume he's referring to dead rising and/or tomb raider maybe. Don't know for sure
Because it's a discussion, there doesn't have to be a winner. In fact there never really is even if people convince themselves otherwise. It's all personal opinion.
daTRUballin
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Yeah, I would have to agree with you on that. I'd rather Rare work on their own IPs instead, but I was just pointing out that giving Fable to Rare probably wouldn't be such a bad idea.
And yeah, I was aware they helped out with other MS games in the past, but I'm surprised they've never actually made a whole game based on an MS franchise before. Nintendo used to let them make games based on their IPs, for example.
chronic_archaic
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I think he means Dead Rising 4 but nothing upcoming. Let's not forget Sony also have their own BS timed exclusivity with Activision (Destiny is the worst with this. Withholding content for two years)
I agree with these sentiments. Good constructive opinions and not just fanboy drivel
TheSpecialOne
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I agree with the op. As someone who owned multiple 360s, I don't see a reason for the xb1 to exist. As far as I'm concerned, it's been a waste of space. Microsoft keeps churning out the same tired exclusives while being completely risk averse. They really add nothing to industry and their presence would not be missed. Nintendo release exclusives that focus on gameplay first. Their games are challenging yet accessible. Sony seems to be interestep in pushing games with mature themes and discussions. They also offer fantastic variety as well. 3rd parties have the rpg, sports, and racing genres on lockdown.
Each company excels at something and as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft excels at nothing. EA and Activision makes the best fps games. Sony makes the best tps games. Codemasters and co make the best racing games. Mortal combat and street fighter are the best fighting games. Rockstar, CD projekt, ea, and Ubisoft have open world games on lock down. What does Microsoft excel at? How are they pushing the industry forward? The answer is that they are not. They need to step up their game or bow out. Right now, they are just a waste of space.
Each company excels at something and as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft excels at nothing. EA and Activision makes the best fps games. Sony makes the best tps games. Codemasters and co make the best racing games. Mortal combat and street fighter are the best fighting games. Rockstar, CD projekt, ea, and Ubisoft have open world games on lock down. What does Microsoft excel at? How are they pushing the industry forward? The answer is that they are not. They need to step up their game or bow out. Right now, they are just a waste of space.
Samanosuke Akechi
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Which ones? Other than marvel vs capcom infinite, most big games I saw will be console exclusive to ps4.
The last of us part 2
Ace combat 7
Ni-Oh
Death Stranding
Uncharted DLC
Gran turismo Sport
Parappa the rapper remastered
Crash bandicoot trilogy
Wipeout collection
Knack 2
Gravity rush 2
Nier: Automata
Maybe some of the indies they showed will be on Xbox. Not sure.
Combichristoffersen
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Am I the only one seeing a big contradiction here? You can't say there's a slaughter in quantity and variety when the weakest X1 year is going to have an "MMO" (which we mostly haven't seen yet), "another" survival zombie (another?), an RTS that "fatigues Halo brand" (last Halo game released more than one year before Halo Wars 2) and Scalebound (a japanese action game I think, haven't followed it much). Plus smaller games.
If that's not quantity and variety I don't know what that is.
You're also judging their quality when one of them is releasing today or tomorrow with a pretty decent metascore (Dead Rising 4 with 76) and every other game is not released yet.
Also... where have you been the first 3 years of PS4?
Maybe you should tell that to a Gears of War fan. I think a big multiplayer hit like that is expected to get atleast one release in each generation (until it flops hard and people stop playing it).
I'm not a Gears fan so I wouldn't have cared if we got one or not, but I know many that bought an X1 because they were sure they would've played one on it.
It's not that Microsoft is telling those devs "don't make your games for X1". Some of these were funded by Sony or even developed by Sony (SF5, NiOh, MLB, Horizon? even if that's not japanese lol).
Some of those are historically PS exclusives (Yakuza, Persona).
Even when Microsoft bought many different japanese games for the X360, PS3 would still sell more. Now that they stopped caring the situation is much worse and their sales are in the double digits, so why would japanese devs care? People love to make those lists but we all know those games sell a lot less here than in Japan.
Who is building studios in a Europe and Japan though? Sony has great support from Japan 3rd parties and Steam has moved into 2nd for those devs to get more sales. Japan developers don't need Xbox to pick up more sales.
I guess it's because MS bought Rare for its Nintendo-esque IPs. Aside from Conker L&R and PDZ, all of their Xbox games so far have been family friendly. Sea of Thieves looks to continue that trend.
Exploratory
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Hey I'm getting State of Decay 2. That's all I care about.
ScientificPizza
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Is Crash confirmed to be exclusive? It's an Activision game so I'd be surprised if it was
Chobel
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Not even close. 2D vs 3D.
Think he meant Rise and DR4, which we don't know is coming to PS4, just that it's timed for a year.
I'd assume Microsoft will have one next year, but that's just an assumption, they work great as a "and it's out in 4 months" reveal, because it's not up to Microsoft to do all the marketing, and unlike Rise, DR4 was handled a lot better, and is probably benefiting them more than Rise did.
Brad Grenz
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In a discussion about variety the fact that MS has an annualized car franchise that does not sell very well is not particularly persuasive. And I'd put DriveClub's quality up their with the Forza games.
I don't think three 2D indie games come anywhere close to matching the triple A platforming and creation games I named. I didn't even include the Knacks. Besides, it would be quite easy to delve into Sony's 2D indie stable to match those like for like.
Right, but you're making the mistake of assuming the math will magically favor Microsoft's output somehow, which would be a mistake.
daTRUballin
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Ahhh, okay. I see what you were saying lol
Yeah, I agree about that. Rare should definitely focus on their own IPs instead. They have so many neglected IPs that it would be a bummer if their attention was focused on Fable instead.
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IncognitoPanda
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Gigantic was cancelled, afaik
IcyRhythms
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"I owned a number of 360's but Microsoft excel at nothing"
Every genre outside of maybe moba and mmo's(at least in a big way)is covered on both PS and XB. Why can you not see a reason for it to exist? Millions of gamers obviously enjoy it and find it to be a worthwhile product. That's a pretty bold statement with nothing to go on but "Microsoft just shouldn't exist in the console space. Rockstar, EA, and Sony got shit on lock, dawg"
Every genre outside of maybe moba and mmo's(at least in a big way)is covered on both PS and XB. Why can you not see a reason for it to exist? Millions of gamers obviously enjoy it and find it to be a worthwhile product. That's a pretty bold statement with nothing to go on but "Microsoft just shouldn't exist in the console space. Rockstar, EA, and Sony got shit on lock, dawg"
Square Triangle
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Huh? Open Beta begins in two days lol
I mean, up until Play Anywhere, Microsoft were way more confusing about where their games would be playable. I'm pretty sure there was at least one game where they actually said it was exclusive but it turned out to be timed console exclusive or something like that. I'm sure you can pull up the threads if you have the fortitude to search for it. Also Tomb Raider's exclusivity deal which had to be ironed out with a back and forth between (I think) Eurogamer and Spencer where they finally admitted the game wasn't actually exclusive after like 3 articles.
Also, don't talk to me about dishonest/CGI reveals like Microsoft haven't shat the bed with Phantom Dust. You know how that reveal was a shitshow made without the knowledge of the devs, who then got canned.
Or Halo 5's CGI trailers that pitted Chief against Locke in ways that never came to pass in the game.
Or the 40% smaller stuff? Or the "the best-selling console" ads? Come on.
Ok.
Metascore is truly a measure for greatness. By the way, how many >90 games do Microsoft have this gen compared to Sony, since you care so much about MC?
Oh, by the way, since you think MC score is an objective measure of quality and Viva Pinata TIP is Rare's best game:
Mass_Pincup
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I wasn't advocating against Gears being made or MS buying the IP, they were just so many other ways to do it.
Why not contract a developers and let Black Tusk work on their new IP if they wanted to get it out as soon as possible?
Why not build a new studio specifically around Gears alongside Black Tusk?
Why not hiring to create a second team at Black Tusk while letting Shangheist being made.
I don't know if those were viable business options for them and they might have not but they seem better to me.
Head.spawn
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No, it wasn't.
Steam and Japan may not need Xbox....but Xbox needs diversity, and so they should do whatever they can to create that, even if it means staking out on their own and using some of that war chest they have to expand.
Its a shame because I really do want to pick up the S, a damn sexy peice of hardware and some of the deals I have seen on it are insane. Unfortunately it would honestly be a vanity purchase because I play multiplats on the PC and the exclusives I would play on the One are available on the PC anyways.
If I did get one, it would be for all the Halo games because I never owned any iterations of the XBOX, making it an exclusive Halo machine.
If I did get one, it would be for all the Halo games because I never owned any iterations of the XBOX, making it an exclusive Halo machine.
Metalingus5150
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They need their own exclusive soulslike From Software game.
That's ok if you don't like them, but downplaying like this the fact that they created (edit: console) online gaming, the best online infrastructure and IPs like Halo and Gears of War is a bit ridiculous.
It's still happening but I don't know how much MS is involved anymore.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/Gigantic/BNZN0X4R6TMR
Chobel
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The bold they actually do, MS just don't host press conferences at these events, so the events go unnoticed by media and the internet.
IcyRhythms
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I don't think you meant to word this like that. I hope lol
Poimandres
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It's not too hard to counter this with some big Microsoft blunders this generation:
- Ryse
- Project Spark (already dead right?)
- LocoCycle
- Crimson Dragon
- Recore
- The Master Chief Collection debacle
- ScreamRide
- Kinect
I do think the Sony flops are bigger and were more hyped than anything on the Microsoft list (except Master Chief) but that's a decent number of misses considering Microsoft publishes about a dozen games each year.
I thought that was Al Gore?
TheSpecialOne
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It really isn't covered on the xb1 at all. I'll go as far as to say, that most of the exclusives on the xb1 aren't worth playing. There are way better games in the genre delivered by 3rd party studios, Nintendo or Sony.
daTRUballin
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Which I think is kind of a shame. Rare wasn't just known for their family friendly IPs back in the day. They were also known for stuff like PD, KI, Conker, Goldeneye, etc. There's nothing wrong with family friendly games, but I think it's kind of sad that throughout their whole relationship with MS, they've only made family friendly games and almost nothing else. I wish they would make something like Perfect Dark or Conker again sometime in the future. I feel like this is the reason why we haven't seen any "adult" oriented games from Rare since PDZ. It would be interesting to see Rare tackle something more "darker" than usual for them again.
StrongBlackVine
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Fair enough, but the way people present their opinions is in a factual way though ie Microsoft has had the better first party games this generation. To me that phrasing is not that of an opinion and after seeing it repeated as fact so mant times I need to look for the best way to compare the their output and aggegrate review scores is best measurement I can think of.
I show no pretense that I believe Sony's output is vastly superior to Microsoft's,but that is based more on the type of games I enjoy than the quality of the titles. But hey maybe that's my hang up in failing to properly interpret what people are trying to convey in these increasingly tedious duscussions.
Thank you generous MS overlords for creating online gaming with the best online infrastructure.
Sanpei
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Ok
But, you should see the fact that , players prefer the more powerful consoles now...Most of them dont care about games
Look XO and PS4...PS4 did not have good exc for a long time, but sold good...
XO had good exclusives but did not perform well...
Power is everyhing now...
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