Well, again, I rather just get a 1080p set. I would like to avoid 4K for at least another 3 years. But personally, for me, I'd also like to see the benefits of HDR. If I could get HDR on a 1080p TV, that'd be everything I need.
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How PS4 Pro enhances Horizon: Zero Dawn
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Well, again, I rather just get a 1080p set. I would like to avoid 4K for at least another 3 years. But personally, for me, I'd also like to see the benefits of HDR. If I could get HDR on a 1080p TV, that'd be everything I need.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Native 2160p output.
There's no benefit to rendering a 2160p image, downscaling to 1080p and then upscaling again to 2160p.
platina
Member
Yeah, I've never seen an HDR oled 1080p tv. It's all 4K
Is a downsampled native 1800p image still a great AA solution? :/ I thought they'd downsample the 4K checkerboard image for that really smooth look on 1080p TVs.
Anything above 1080p downsampled is a great AA solution on 1080p screen, 1800p is far above necessary to get significantly superior IQ on a 1080p screen.
Its not actually confirmed that the actual reconstructed final image that is output to the TV is downsampled to 1080p screens or if the initial resolution that is necessary(for example double the pixel ratio of 1080p) to be checkerboarded to resolve a final 4K pixel output through information received through other frames is downsampled to 1080p screens without reconstructing to the final 4K resolved image first.
Aka, we don't know if the higher resolution is downsampled without the reconstruction applied or not. But i'm assuming nor because they don't actually say that is the case.
Checkerboarded 4K is 4K. THe end result is a 4K pixel image of around 8 million pixels
This image has to be resolved reconstructed initially from a lower resolution obviously filling in the missing pixels to achieve the 8 million pixel ratio correct?
PulseONE
Member
How do you mean? Are there some sets where it won't work or something?
certain sets support different standards, and there's usually various settings you have to turn on, that are called different things on different sets, some automatically set backlight settings, but sometimes that doesn't work, I dunno I just skimmed the TLOU HDR thread last night and it seemed like a clusterfuck of trial and error
Can you get HDR 1080p TV's?
no. But HDR needs some time in the oven anyway, many results are mixed so far
PackAPunchedMick
Member
Do you need a 2.0 hdmi cable to reap the benefits of hdr/4k?
If so does the Pro include one and is it like 1.3a where the image quality is the same regardless of the price you pay?
Thanks.
If so does the Pro include one and is it like 1.3a where the image quality is the same regardless of the price you pay?
Thanks.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Probably and yes Pro comes with a "premium" HDMI cable which will support 4K 60hz signals.
Lockjaw333
Member
I want 1080p 60fps.
This would bring a far better experience than have 4k downsampling and still having 30fps. I really hope that becomes an option for all these games.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Half of the 8 million pixels are constructed from previously rendered frames and/or neighbouring pixels and half are rendered 'normally'.
Technically, with temporal AA, even the 'normally' rendered pixels are reconstructed to a degree.
gonna be rare I'm afraid
Nah...it'll have the same open-world issues. Stuff like vegetation continually being generated around me, lack of objects populating a scene for depth, and other normal open-world considerations.
But yeah, it's predominantly built for 4K...not for fuller worlds, which I would prefer.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Downsampling is cleaner sharper and less aliased, thread explaining what downsampling is, does and examples from non-downsampled to downsampled and more
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509076&page=1
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509076&page=1
Jakartalado
Member
I'm pretty sure Lego games run at 1200p on PS4 as an Anti Aliasing solution and it works pretty well.
Perhaps 1200p with another Anti Aliasing solution (something like ND did with Uncharted 4) would be enough to provide a crisp image quality and the rest of the resources should be spent on Texture, particles and framerate.
pixelation
Member
Same here, i'll gladly take virtually no jaggies versus more detail.
Are you suggesting the game renders in checkerboard 4K, then downsamples to 1080p, then upscales to 4K on your TV? I can't see how that makes sense?
Downsampling only makes the 1080p image look better than natively rendering in 1080p. it won't compare to native 4K (or even checkerboard) because you're still throwing away 3/4 of the original pixels.
PulseONE
Member
Hmm I see, well either way I always mess around with all the settings on a new TV, so maybe it won't be so bad, I'll check that thread out though
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
They probably focused on shadows because they found it was an area of noticeable improvement. Horizon's got nicely filtered, soft shadows that hide obvious lower-res shadow map edge shimmering but it's always nice to see clearer, distinct shadow outlines from details like leaves, if possible.
Get a PC. The PS4 and PS4 Pro don't have the CPU power required to run many a lot of games at 60 fps.
That trio of things for 1080p HDTV owners is basically what I expect from developers enhancing their games at said resolution. Just the AF alone will provide a pretty big step up, because when you're surrounded by textures in-game, improving their quality will net you big visual gains. Downsampling will also help quite a bit with aliasing, especially with all this foliage on-screen.
My only concern now is whether the game's performance will suffer. I don't want a game with performance worse than the non-Pro version because of these improvements.
My only concern now is whether the game's performance will suffer. I don't want a game with performance worse than the non-Pro version because of these improvements.
Isn't one of the mandates that they can't run worse than the vanilla PS4 versions?
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
Worth noting Dolby does have HDR / Dolby Vision cinemas out there. They are quite lovely.
Crimson_Gold
Member
*Nods*
Might look into that.
Now you get back to making sure spiderman comes out ASAP
OT:
This game will be a showpiece in my gaming loft
I meant 4K TV owners setting their TV to display at 1080p, or it doesn't work like that? Tbh, I'm not really sure if you can actually set at what resolution you want your TV to output.
Usually you do that with the console, for example.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
I don't feel the urge to buy a Pro, but I know that if they bundle it with the FF VII Remake I'll buy it in an instant.
Pankratous
Member
The amount of ignorance I have to correct on PlayStation UK's Facebook post about this is insane.
Where is this mandate? Have Sony made this official for certifying a game for the PS4?
DreadfulOmen
Member
If you want hdr than 4k is the way to go. Me personally, i care more about hdr. Watching a movie with dolby vision was freakin awesome.
It was in the stuff Kotaku (I think) leaked, there was a thread about it. I don't have the links handy atm, sorry.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
I already have a Pro ordered, but this game just might be the catalyst that sells me a 4K TV, as well.
MADGAME
Member
No, was only asking if I could game in 1080p on my 4k tv to get the 1080 benefits of the game, but still use HDR.
Athreous
Member
DreadfulOmen
Member
If you like to watch movies, that tv model doesnt do judder free 24p playback, and the hdr isnt that good on this specific model.
DreadfulOmen
Member
Some sets are hdr compatible, but wont display hdr, some sets dont have specs for good hdr, and some sets dont even have hdr.
Oh, well I'll wait for Digital Foundry to cover the performance of these games, just to be sure.
mitchman
Gold Member
No, but you can set the PS4 Pro to output a 1080p signal, but the UHD tv will always scale it up to the native resolution.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
Yep. I imagine they don't want to give the idea that the base PS4 version doesn't perform very well.