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IGN: Multiple Gamestop-Related Sources Claim "Death of 80GB PS3 - 120GB Incoming"
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Metalmurphy said:
If they are, its likely a cost issue. Only producing one MoBo may be important.
That would be too confusing to the consumer.
kaching said:As long as you note that it took them much longer to do that, because of the obvious complications of ensuring that it didn't trip up PS2 software that had been designed to use the PS1 hardware.
Do you have any evidence of this? Maybe I'm misreading your intentions ... but it sounds like you're implying some PS2 games use the PS1 HW for something other than I/O? Are you implying they used it like a secondary processor?
No, that wasn't what I was directly implying, but I do believe there were some examples of that. Wasn't the original GTA3 at least using it for some additional sound processing?Onix said:
In any case, my only direct implication was that allowing PS2 games to even utilize the PS1 hardware in the first place, as an I/O controller or anything else, automatically complicated matters for eventual software emu of those components since they were being used above and beyond just PS1 software compatability, which is probably why it took them a lot longer to completely extricate te PS1 hardware from the PS2.
So, by not allowing that in the case of the PS2 hardware in the PS3, they tipped their hand as to the intended longevity of those components inside the PS3.
Worm_Buffet
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kaching said:
Recursive backwards compatibility? That just strikes me as a bad idea, and Sony probably came to the same conclusion.
So in order to emulate a PS2 through software, you in fact need to emulate a PS2 emulating a PS1.
George Claw M.D.
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In other news:Wollan said:
straydog1980
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i was actually considering getting a PS3 next month simply because my PS2 is starting to crap itself (only one memory card port works, controllers don't respond sometimes), but all this just makes me want to say fuck it and buy another PS2.
Yes, I'd like bluray, but I wouldn't like 150 million gigs. I am not Joe multiplayer over the internet. I like single player experiences, and they can forget getting my money if I can't have BC.
boo
Yes, I'd like bluray, but I wouldn't like 150 million gigs. I am not Joe multiplayer over the internet. I like single player experiences, and they can forget getting my money if I can't have BC.
boo
mckmas8808
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George Claw M.D. said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Wollan what have you done?!?!
If you want a PS3 with BC get a 60 or 80Gig NOW.
I got an 80Gig machine, BNIB for $400 even off craigslist. Give yourself a few weeks to find a good deal then jump on it.
I honestly doubt that BC will be something included in the new 120Gig PS3. They're probably trying to get all the PS3 mobo's to closely resemble the 40Gig's (cheaper to produce), they're also hoping that with the inclusion of the DS3 and the bigger HDD that people won't mind the lack of BC.
I got an 80Gig machine, BNIB for $400 even off craigslist. Give yourself a few weeks to find a good deal then jump on it.
I honestly doubt that BC will be something included in the new 120Gig PS3. They're probably trying to get all the PS3 mobo's to closely resemble the 40Gig's (cheaper to produce), they're also hoping that with the inclusion of the DS3 and the bigger HDD that people won't mind the lack of BC.
Gamedaily's take on the situation:
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/source-sony-mulling-over-ps3-sku-strategy/19271/?biz=1
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/source-sony-mulling-over-ps3-sku-strategy/19271/?biz=1
solid2snake
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MaX_PL said:
Windows Vista Ultimate pre-installed?
This, in particular, would be extremely fucking stupid. Don't do this Sony.
Pharmacy said:
This idea I like. Make it 120GB, put all of the PS2 hardware back in the system with the card readers and USB ports. $100 difference is equivalent to the $100 PS2. Perfect way to differentiate the systems.
Also, that would give me the opportunity to upgrade to a second one in a couple years.
Pai Pai Master
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tanod said:
Doing that would drive the cost of the console way back up, thus negating the chance or logic of a price drop.
Guy Legend
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Pharmacy said:
Everybody wins.
Bearillusion
Banned
straydog1980 said:....they can forget getting my money if I can't have BC.
boo
I don't think Sony will mind as they get the money if you buy another PS2. Amazing fact.
charlequin
Banned
Pharmacy said:
Do it Sony! Make the first good decision you've made since 2005 and give us the SKUs that make sense! Everybody wins (except those people who snapped up 80gigs expecting BC never to come back, but forget those guys.)
Pharmacy said:
40gb base model @ $299 + DS3 and 160gb with BC, the regular 4 USB, and DS3 @ $399 sounds good to me.
Although that's a huge price drop. I imagine they will have it at 400 and 500. I also agree with Wollan that they are working on software BC. If they roll that out at GDC, elite with no HW BC.
DevilWillcry
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Err....where are people getting the idea that the 120 GB is not going to have the software BC that the 80 GB has?
pissmypants
Member
Because I don't want to rebuy all my games when the ones I have are perfectly fine?McHuj said:
DarkUSS said:
I would assume it was based on it. If they were smart, they would have designed the original to have an API layer, so only the HW specific calls need to be updated.
kaching said:
Now that I think about it ... I do recall that. I think you are correct, though it wasn't done very often.
As far as using it for I/O, I would assume that was managed by the OS ... so replacing the processor with a different one wouldn't really have an effect on pre-existing games (other than something like GTA).
I'd be surprised if the normal SDK allowed for direct access to the hardware. I'm guessing Rockstar got special permission to do it. Sony was pretty serious about devs following certain standards with the PS2 (and especially PS1), and kept a lot of things bottled up. Crap, they didn't grant access to the output controller (for doing stuff like scaling 512x512 frames to NTSC) until pretty late in the game.
They didn't need to tip their hand. Before the PS3 was even released they publicly stated that they did NOT want to put the PS2 HW in there, but had to because they didn't have a SW solution ready. It was never their intention to put it in there ... they acknowledged it was last minute.
Barkley's Justice
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they're gonna drop all BC and start selling downloadable ps2 titles from the psn store
There was that, sure. But when they were forced to abandon that approach in favor of hardware assisted emu, it wasn't immediately clear if they'd remove the PS2 hardware sooner rather than later. So it's their actions since then that have made that clear, restricting access to the PS2 chips being among them.Onix said:
Evander said:
Maybe Sony will offer proper upscaling to the download only PS2 games? There must be an "excuse" they work out why they can't do disc BC.
Everything I read points to the direction that BC is not coming back. I remember iSuppli estamited the BC circuit costed Sony about $30. However you factor in the saving with the smaller mobo and simplier cooling system, it may cost Sony more than $40 to keep BC. If that was too much a potion for a $400 SKU, it will be a even bigger factor in a $300. So logic tells me hardware BC aint staying.
The way Sony see it if BC is not important to you, it make more sense to give you 80 more Gb of space than some hardware bit you don't use; if PS2 is that important to you you would pony up for a PS2 or own one already; if you are one of the 0.5% of potential customers that don't own a PS2 currently and won't buy a BC-free PS3 than Sony 's attitute is screw you you are not a true Playstation fan anyway.
BTW, its obvious that the black 40GB won't have DS3 since Sony is not phrasing the SKU out. Until Sony phrase out the black 40GB we won't get DS3 on tthe cheaper version.
Psychotext
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Wasn't something about this supposed to be on their blog by now?
Metalmurphy
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How would they play if they dropped the BC?Barkley's Justice said:
Psychotext
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Each title would have its own mini emulator.Metalmurphy said:How would they play if they dropped the BC?
I think BC will be back in some form, if only to support PS2 download titles. But most likely it will be software only and specifically targeted at certain games for sale on PSN. The graphics in some games are obviously going to be easier to emulate than others.
I think it sucks that BC went, but then the price cuts have to come from somewhere. It's clear that the Sony beancounters decided that more people would buy the PS3 because of a price drop than would not buy it because of lack of BC and so went with the former.
Sales of PS3s this year show it's not the killer feature people thought it to be.
I think it sucks that BC went, but then the price cuts have to come from somewhere. It's clear that the Sony beancounters decided that more people would buy the PS3 because of a price drop than would not buy it because of lack of BC and so went with the former.
Sales of PS3s this year show it's not the killer feature people thought it to be.
T3 (UK tech mag) says a insider mole at CES told them that Sony is preparing a slim PS3 for release later this year.
I think that's very unlikely, and very trustworthy, but they have nice artist mockups :lol
http://www.t3.com/news/sony-playstation3-slim-and-lite?=35165
The base slab looks a bit too Wii inspired tbh, though.
(Edit, actually it really does look like they just cut the top bit of the PS3 down and stuck a wii to it :lol )
I think that's very unlikely, and very trustworthy, but they have nice artist mockups :lol
http://www.t3.com/news/sony-playstation3-slim-and-lite?=35165
The base slab looks a bit too Wii inspired tbh, though.
(Edit, actually it really does look like they just cut the top bit of the PS3 down and stuck a wii to it :lol )
gofreak said:
I don't see why a slim is unlikely. Look at the pictures of the white PS3 internals that are going around. They've really slimmed down the mainboard. Its not too much of a stretch to think if they used a slimmer blu ray drive and perhaps moved the PSU into a brick. That they could produce something which is 2/3 the size of the current model.
It would sell by the metric shitload too.
Psychotext
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Wow... that's uglier than the current PS3. :lol
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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that looks like 2 wii's ducktaped together.
Don't know if this is bump-worthy. I noticed last week the 80GB PS3 was sold-out on newegg and on the weekend too. I checked yesterday and it was still sold-out. I checked this morning, still sold-out.
So I come home this evening and now it's not even listed on the site any more! The link is completely gone. The only one they have left is an "open-box" version.
Something is definitely amiss. I just wish the official announcement would come already.
So I come home this evening and now it's not even listed on the site any more! The link is completely gone. The only one they have left is an "open-box" version.
Something is definitely amiss. I just wish the official announcement would come already.