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Incredible Ratchet & Clankgameplay demo reveals PS5’s SSD difference
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sendit
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You don't notice a difference because the SSD is not the only piece to this puzzle. I'm incredibly shocked on why people can't grasp this....Watch Cerny's presentation please.
danielJackson
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Some people just lack the foundation to be open to understand, so they rather go "god did it" than fact based route.
Cernys presentatio is really clear and simple to understand, to smart people with good foundation.
To rest it sounds like "marketing talk" because they dont understand enough and by so they cant connect new info with the old. (Example that they dont get it why pc world doesnt be equal to consoles with "pc" parts)
So then they continue the "bbbbut my 9999$ PC doesnt load games instantly", which is logically wrong and intellectually lazy short cut conclusion.
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Bo_Hazem
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for peoples withz no 4k screen
you peasants
You are all welcome to kiss my feet for more screen shots.....
You can literally buy a decent 4K tv as much as NVIDIA 1660 card.
GymWolf
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these are
i have the same sentiment for now.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I love how it jumps from 00.25 to 01.00. What a stupid, FUD video (all respect to you).
So this is the game play innovation on the level of mario 64 I was promised because of the SSD. Yep nice looking game with a gimmick to try and sell the SSD. I'll keep on waiting for this game play revolution based on the SSD I was promised that Sony was waiting to unleash.
Entroyp
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A sony developer *i may be wrong with credentials* said the same scenes are possible on XSX
MasterCornholio
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Kumomeme
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because until now, games never developed with ssd speed in mind. it always developed with these slower hdd or sata hdd speed. so even if you change to ssd, it wont change much since to fully take advantges of faster storage need to be developed from ground up by developers.
Also as other people mentioned, there issue of bottleneck. the NVMe SSD read speed ~3,500 MB/remain specs on paper since on real performance it didnt reach that number. there numbers of bottleneck that resulted the speed didnt even reach the peak potential. There is reason why MS want to bring DirectStorageAPI to pc. In Cerny presentation he highlight this aspect and explained this part. They throw money to ps5 ssd not just on the storage itself but on its custom controller. You can see the pattern yourself later.
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betrayal
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3,500 MB/sec or significantly more is easily achievable with NVMe. Everyone who has a PC with NVMe storage knows this and everyone else can google it. There is also NVMe memory with 5.000 MB/sec available on the market.
The bottleneck we always talk about here has nothing to do with NVMe SSD at all, but with the CPU and other things. I don't know why people are always talking such bullshit.
Videos like from R&C don't prove anything, except maybe good streaming technology. There are far too many factors missing to be able to make any meaningful conclusions from the videos. It is all only markting talk right now.
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Kumomeme
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like i said, your ssd can go superfast but on real life performance, it not even reach full speed as on specs sheet due to various bottleneck. Its not about the ssd, but the I/O . watch the road to ps5 video. that basically cerny's gdc 2020 presentation.
betrayal
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When I do a speed test I easily reach about 3.500 MB/sec. A 5.000 NVMe performs with 5.000 MB/s read speed in the "real world".
It's all fine what Cerny says, but what else should he say, if there are no other arguments for Next Gen consoles? In my opinion there do not have to be any. A normal hardware upgrade and good games will do. Except it doesn't sell as well as something artificially hyped.
Insane Metal
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I remember seeing people downplaying this. "Oh but what's so incredible about that". Lol. That's pretty much instant. That's a whole fucking level with huge viewing distances completely loaded in 2~3 seconds. Many times in a row without disrupting gameplay. If that's not nextgen I don't know what is.
Kumomeme
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No matter how much you do speed test and how much faster the result you get is not the issue here. Watch the Cerny video please. Its about the I/O. MS also invested in their own I/O solution and planned to bring part of the sofware solution directstorageapi to pc later.
betrayal
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What Sony and MS have shown, explained and claimed over the last 20 years was much more spectacular at that time. "Powered by SSD" or not. It is still nothing special. There will be no better games. They won't look better because of it and they won't be more fun because of it.
BRZBlue
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Keihart
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Flying mounts probably.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Don’t understand the point of this OT. People need to clearly state their points instead of posting videos from an outside source and a fucking emoji.
The demo looked really fucking good. Far superior to any other “next-gen” demo we’ve seen running real-time gameplay. I don’t see how anyone can argue that.
The demo looked really fucking good. Far superior to any other “next-gen” demo we’ve seen running real-time gameplay. I don’t see how anyone can argue that.
MasterCornholio
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Definitely Ratchet and the Unreal Engine demo were the best realtime demos that we've seen do far.
And since Ratchet looks great I'm pretty certain Spiderman will as well when we see the actual gameplay. I also believe that Demon Souls is going to look pretty nice as well.
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Kumomeme
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you mistaken alot if you just think this all about loading speed. All these years devs use lot of clever method and trick to make sure everything load nicely and seamlessly. The game design, level is all designated around mitigate the problem(slower hdd). Open door sequence, squeeze into tight place, cutscene, elevator etc all these just a loading masking. There more to it. How devs struggled to implement certain features due to slower hdd for example Horizon Zero dawn devs removes flying mechanic due to hdd, FFXV devs struggled to implement flying car, Todd howard if i not mistaken used to blame slower hdd speed for that slow horse ride(LOL). There reason why rockstar received lot of technical praise for gta v. How fast data can be prepared to load from storage to ram is game changer to devs. The game size also could be reduce due to no need to have massive same copy paste asset data in the storage to speed up loading. Game world could be bigger and way seamless. SSD also play important role in the UE5 demo. This portal jump in Rachet and Clank just a tip of iceberg. Easily to say after this, the game design, level design and stuff will be different from ground up.
Moonjt9
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which is why Sony has completely bespoke I/O hardware and software to eliminate those bottlenecks and actually take advantage of the ultra fast ssd. So no, PC isn’t anywhere close to this capability and you can’t compare the two.
VFXVeteran
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Yes he was, seems to be an expert alright....in spreading FUD. The latest one I remember is the "expert" saying R&C doesn't do RT, only to be proven wrong.
You are a liar
And I never said R&C doesn't have RT. You must have me mixed up with Alex.
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Kenpachii
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Should google system ram.
It's a piss poor example of the SSD performance. Console people are impressed because they finally experience SSD loading. If sony cared to demonstrate fast performance they would have eliminated the entire load process and straight up let you jump and play through those cracks instead of slamming 2 seconds load screens and animation locking you or throwing the game on rails while stuff loads in on the background.
This is far from impressive.
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MrFunSocks
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So next gen is literally just faster load times?
This looks good and all, but this is literally just faster load times. The same could be done on this generation of consoles, and has been done, just with longer load times. I thought people were hoping for completely new experiences and game design, not just faster load times?
Personally I have only ever been expecting faster load times and better quality assets, nothing more. Game design hasn’t been held back by HDD speeds.
The art style of this game is fantastic
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Vroadstar
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There is only one liar and FUD spreader here and did you just activated your long-dormant account? last post was 2017 and you were banned and then suddenly commenting on Ratchet and Clank thread 29 minutes ago, pathetic FUD spreader
Your M.O. in B3D is the same thing you are doing here and Ree, making bold claims without proof, you were always called out there, same as here. You are fooling no one.
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JTCx
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JTCx
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You are a liar
And I never said R&C doesn't have RT. You must have me mixed up with Alex.
Knitted Knight
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MasterCornholio
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There's a 60 FPS mode.
meech
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Yes, not in 4k, but in a lower resolution.
MasterCornholio
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I know but the option is there.
What did you think the PS5 is a PC?
If you want a Native 4K at 60FPs or higher in all games you have to build a PC for that. A 3090TI will probably cost alot more than both of these next gen consoles combined. Then you have to add the cost of an expensive SSD plus alot of fast ram.
You want the best experience you have to pay for it.
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meech
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That is not what i wrote. Not in all games. But racing games, platformers or those like Street Figher/ Mortal Combat had and have 60 fps as a standard( aside from exception like Forza Horizon and Drive Club),on consoles too.
kikii
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i have Samsung 970 EVO Plus 3500/3200 MB/s on comp which is faster than craigs one ..did i win something? nuuuh
MasterCornholio
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Isn't GT always in 60FPs? What about fighters like mortal Kombat?
If it's already a standard with those games on PS4 it will be a standard on PS5 as well.
93xfan
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Are you purposely misinforming people? That’s not a game using Velocity Architecture or optimized for Series X in any way.
meech
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So that game was a 60 fps game in the past.
this video is wrong. you have to count the time where the character is not controllable. Whenever you can't control the character its a "hidden" loading screen.
vaibhavpisal
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Why this wouldn't be possible on series x?
At this point it's pretty clear - xbox can. 343i cannot.
Knightime_X
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Shown these pics to a few non-hardcore "gamers" and they were not impressed.
At first they thought it was a ps4 game.
Let's be real here.
We're getting to the point only the hardest of hardcore can tell the graphical difference.
We get hyped over ass hairs getting their own shadows meanwhile the masses stopped being impressed 2 gens ago and just want to play derpnight.
At first they thought it was a ps4 game.
Let's be real here.
We're getting to the point only the hardest of hardcore can tell the graphical difference.
We get hyped over ass hairs getting their own shadows meanwhile the masses stopped being impressed 2 gens ago and just want to play derpnight.
sendit
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Agreed. I like how you provided data along with a conclusion. How do we proceed from here?
Knightime_X
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Continue to ignore casuals as per usual.
Insane Metal
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Idk why you guys still give a fuck about this guy. He's full of shit as usual.
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II_JumPeR_I
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Game would run the same on Xbox. Some of you act like that this game is impossible on current available hardware...
Hell you can even see loading stutter in this scripted Rift parts...
And a bit offtopic but gaf is really going downhill. So many discussions look like the gamefaqs forums etc.. i wish it could be abit more mature here.
Physiognomonics
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Velocity architecture, SFS and such are the new esram secret sauce and the new "we have invented Direct X" narrative combined. Don't you see it ? It's PR bullshit. It's talk, talk, talk.
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Bo_Hazem
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I bet it's Chinese way of cooking, seen some of their nasty cooking competitions where the lively the animal the higher score you get. Merciless.
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Kenpachii
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Wouldn't doubt it