Coolbgdog12
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Ctrl+F "Carmelita fox"
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Wtf? LOL
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Wtf? LOL
Ctrl+F "Carmelita fox"
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Wtf? LOL
her hair resembling that of someone from the China area
It wouldn't be a proper Black History Month without some good old fashioned doubling down on ignorance. Finally! It feels like February has properly kicked off!Culturally, she's Black. But ethnically or genetically, she's obviously mixed. Her mother is probably around 50% African and 50% European. She's still a Black person! But she's lighter-skinned than her husband because of European admixture over the course of 400 years. It's possible that her mother could be half Black and half Asian, too. Most African Americans have something like 20% European heritage, so her father probably has some distant European ancestry as well.
Clementine is definitely a Black person, but she's certainly not 100% Sub-Saharan African.
This thread summed up in one letter.
Honestly, I don't think most people in thread necessarily mean any harm, but when they(myself included) first encountered Clementine, they probably assumed she was bi-racial or even something else entirely based on her appearance. For example, Mariah Carey or Alicia Keys are black, but you can tell by looking at them, they are most likely mixed with something else. I'm thinking people got a similar impression when they first encountered Clementine.
Is Mariah Carey black?
Is Mariah Carey black?
For further adventures in racial perception, search for "Walking Dead Clementine" on deviantart and observe the artists different choices in skin tone, facial features, and hair.
I'm Asian and even I know Clem's black the first time I saw her.
Wiki says this:
So seems about right what I said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementine_(The_Walking_Dead)#Concept_and_creation
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/12/26/creating-clementine.aspx
I guess that explains why there's some confusion there. LOL
God, you people
LOL, isn't saying this just as problematic as someone refusing to believe she's Black? You're Asian and "even you knew"... what does that even mean?
Culturally, she's Black. But ethnically or genetically, she's obviously mixed. Her mother is probably around 50% African and 50% European. She's still a Black person! But she's lighter-skinned than her husband because of European admixture over the course of 400 years. It's possible that her mother could be half Black and half Asian, too. Most African Americans have something like 20% European heritage, so her father probably has some distant European ancestry as well.
Clementine is definitely a Black person, but she's certainly not 100% Sub-Saharan African.
Ctrl+F "Carmelita fox"
*word found*
Wtf? LOL
LOL, isn't saying this just as problematic as someone refusing to believe she's Black? You're Asian and "even you knew"... what does that even mean?
And the Carmelita thing was a jest. Yeah, as a kid, I always wanted to believe certain characters were Black (like Skeeter from Doug). Guess you guys missed the Wendy Koopa part of that. But, please, let's smoke out the ignoramuses assigning race to anthropomorphic cartoons.
It's not just Asian people who have eyes like that you know. Here's a young Nelson Mandela
Is nelson Mandela mother Asian?
Answer:
Yes, his mother was born in Changchun, on Febuary 24, 1889. Her name was Jìng Lì.
Is Nelson Mandela half Asian?
Answer:
no, he is entirely south american. But yes, he does appear to be asian
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Black-Eyed Peas Racial Breakdown:
Will.I.Am: 100% Sub Saharan Black
Other Dark Skinned Male: 100% Sub Saharan Black
Light Skinned Male: 50% European and 50% Sub Saharan Black
Light Skinned Female: 75% European and 25% Sub Saharan Black
Black-Eyed Peas Racial Breakdown:
Will.I.Am: 100% Sub Saharan Black
Other Dark Skinned Male: 100% Sub Saharan Black
Light Skinned Male: 50% European and 50% Sub Saharan Black
Fergie: 75% European and 25% Sub Saharan Black
Is it too much to hope some Gafferes have taken this thread as a learning experience?
I don't know too many black people? That's pretty funny for so many reasons. I have 2 dark skinned siblings and 2 lighter skinned siblings.I get the impression that you don't know many black people, huh. Her mom being light skinned doesn't mean she is mixed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRsgavuG4sg&t=1m28s
Nah....I thought the same when there was a thread in OT questioning Rihanna's blackness. I'm sure we'll be right back on square one pretty soon. Sheva from RE5 is a bit overdue for her own thread.Is it too much to hope some Gafferes have taken this thread as a learning experience?
Man, Doug and race is a whole different discussion. In fact the topic of race and cartoon characters, anthropomorphic or otherwise, sounds like it could lead to some fascinating discourse. I'm not even being sarcastic.
But can we leave Clem alone now?
Nice one, I'll print this and carry it in my wallet.Black-Eyed Peas Racial Breakdown:
Will.I.Am: 100% Sub Saharan Black
Other Dark Skinned Male: 100% Sub Saharan Black
Light Skinned Male: 50% European and 50% Sub Saharan Black
Fergie: 75% European and 25% Sub Saharan Black
I wish I could freely say how I feel about the Clementine thing without being stamped as ignorant. I sincerely had no clue she was Black and wouldn't have given it any thought prior to this thread. I'm usually keenly aware of these things. It's hard to explain but I just didn't get that vibe. The markers just were not there. Not suggesting that certain behaviors or vernaculars are ...exclusive to any race, but, come on. It's almost as if the designers intended for her to be this culturally ambiguous, blank slate of a character. Really wish I could better articulate this. Her voice...the way she interacted with Lee and the world. This all compounded by her appearance. She can definitely go a few ways, yet some people in here would have us believe she's unmistakably Black. I don't know who exactly the "I hope ya'll learned something" posts are targeted at, but, again, I think it's unfair to suggest people should have known.
Why? Show me a movie or game or whatever with a really dark skinned child being portrayed as endearing. There's a sentiment that dark skinned people are unpalatable after a point.
lolIt wouldn't be a proper Black History Month without some good old fashioned doubling down on ignorance. Finally! It feels like February has properly kicked off!
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Don't get so hung up on being called ignorant and just learn from it and move on. Looking at your past posts, you don't seem to fully understand what the word means. It means to be unaware, inexperienced, uninformed, etc. which would describe you and many other posters in this thread. What would be worse is if you where to be willfully ignorant even after being presented with some of the evidence in this thread (ex. post #2).I wish I could freely say how I feel about the Clementine thing without being stamped as ignorant.
Cosby Show
Sondra and Denise would have given GAF some headaches.
That second picture LOL
1- She is black. That's a factual statement. The game- game characters shows this and the game creators made it clear.
2- Well I'm black ... grew up in Chicago (famous for our population ... as well as some shitty things). Trust me when I say that "black" is a rainbow.
It's interesting ... I make jokes about having "Black-dar" to my friends but it's strange seeing just how differently I see "black people" compared to other people. I have grown up around tons of Clementines ... slanted eyes are by far not a Asian exclusive feature. Native Americans/ Inuits/ Hawaiians and yeah, certain African ethnic groups along with parts of Europe also have this feature. Sooo she can have her canon black parents and we can leave it at that IMO cause the range of "black" runs far deeper than SLJ.