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Japan's Ruling Party to Reintroduce Child Pornography Law Revision

Proposed bill would outlaw possession, might not distinguish between real, "virtual" child pornography

Japan's ruling party, the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), along with co-sponsors New Komeito Party and the Japan Restoration Party, are proposing an amendment to the country's current child pornography laws. The bill is being submitted to the National Diet of Japan this week, and looks to make possession of child pornography a crime. Currently, possessing child pornography is not illegal in Japan so long as the owner is not selling, distributing, or creating the images. The amendment would make possession of sexual images of individuals under 18 illegal, with a fine of 1 million yen (about US$10,437) and less than a year in jail if the subject is found to have the images for "the purpose of satisfying sexual curiosity." The bill would also provide for greater measures to prevent child pornography from being transmitted online.

Taro Yamada, a member of the lower house and of the Your Party, posted on his blog last month that he saw a draft of the reform bill. The draft does not differentiate between pornography featuring real children and images of children. Additionally, the draft bill includes a provision for an investigation to be conducted on if there is a relationship between anime, manga, and CG images and violations of human rights of children. The draft does not state that the investigation would be conducted by a third party.

A final draft of the bill has not yet been made public.

A majority vote between Japan's lower house (House of Representatives) and the upper house (House of Councillors) is required for the bill to pass into law. The LDP and New Kemeito parties have a supermajority within the lower house, but do not have a majority within the upper house. If the upper house defeats the bill, it can still be passed by the lower house unilaterally after a 60-day mandatory waiting period and if it is supported by a supermajority.

The current Diet session ends on June 26, and the three parties are aiming to pass the reform bill before the session ends.

Boys-love author/light novelist Izumi Mito/Raika Kobayashi (Seitō Kijinka Seitō-tan) and manga creator Ken Akamatsu (Love Hina, Negima) have spoken out about the bill's provisions. Akamatsu visited the Diet and the LDP headquarters last week to express his concern.

The LDP previously proposed a petition in 2011 to change Japan's child pornography laws so that they apply to anime, manga, and video games. The Japanese Restoration Party was created by former Tokyo governor and current lower house Diet member Shintaro Ishihara. Ishihara was a major advocate of Tokyo's amended Youth Healthy Development Ordinance; the amendment expanded the number of manga and anime that fall under "harmful publications," the legal category of works that must not be sold or rented to people under the age of 18.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...to-reintroduce-child-pornography-law-revision

 

[Derpstar]

No, not my loli! ;___;

 

[RoboPlato]

Maybe now they'll start having babies again.

 

[Currygan]

finally, Japan

 

[injurai]

Maybe now they'll start having babies again.

Was just about to say. The youth let their population age and now have little electoral power to protect their waifus. :lol

This is a good thing though. Kind of shocked that possession is legal.

 

[wonzo]

old: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=568085

 

[Gattsu25]

About damned time.

 

[Raxus]

Now people can finally be slightly less weird'd out by Japan!

slightly.

 

[Dresden]

Kentaro Miura's reaction:

 

[SquiddyCracker]

2013 shall be known as the death of the loli.

Good riddance!

 

[spiderman123]

What about Loli Gaf

 

[K.Sabot]

Kentaro Miura's reaction:

That's pretty good.

 

[triplestation]

why lolis were here in the first place i dont even

 

[Polari]

They're only just now banning that whole child pornography thing? Pleased they're including anime or manga whatever too, fuck that pedo shit.

 

[CornBurrito]

Was just about to say. The youth let their population age and now have little electoral power to protect their waifus. :lol

This is a good thing though. Kind of shocked that possession is legal.

Pleased they're including anime or manga whatever too, fuck that pedo shit.

Possession of child pornography featuring real children is a terrible thing, but I've yet to see a convincing argument for why porn featuring drawn fictional children should be illegal to possess. Most arguments are slippery slope fallacy, which is a fallacy and thus not a good argument. The ones that aren't that are "it will lead them to fuck real children" which is unsubstantiated as far as I know.

 

[Htown]

More "8000 year old demon" lolis incoming

 

[Replicant]

What a relief. Maybe anime will finally have decent, non-moe, non-loli story again.

 

[Cipherr]

So how does that work? Like, are there height requirements on fictional characters or something? Lol, some sick shit, and I sort of agree it should be banned.

But I draw a blank at how you enforce stuff like that.

 

[Metrotab]

What a relief. Maybe anime will finally have decent, non-moe, non-loli story again.

I don't see where moe is banned.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Was just about to say. The youth let their population age and now have little electoral power to protect their waifus. :lol

 

[ShaneDude]

Does this mean the end of loli? Thank goodness. I really want to hear someone defend that garbage.

 

[Ratrat]

What's with all the moe/loli comments? Most of that stuff wouldn't even count unless it was explicit.

 

[Ebris]

So how does that work? Like, are there height requirements on fictional characters or something? Lol, some sick shit, and I sort of agree it should be banned.

But I draw a blank at how you enforce stuff like that.

Japan will find a way.

Even if it means making a tall woman with moe features, voice, flat chest and uguu~

 

[CornBurrito]

What a relief. Maybe anime will finally have decent, non-moe, non-loli story again.

Tsuritama, Aku no Hana, Shin Sekai Yori, Steins;Gate, Attack on Titan, Chihayafuru, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, and plenty more I can name. Maybe you should stop actively searching for loli anime hmm?

Does this mean the end of loli? Thank goodness. I really want to hear someone defend that garbage.

It is actually easy to defend loli, if it turns out that it harms nobody. If loli porn leads to less sexual assaults against children then it is actively beneficial to society as an outlet for pedophiles. If loli porn leads to more sexual assaults against real children, then it should be banned.

 

[timetokill]

New trend: loli art of girls blushing and covering themselves with a photo ID.

 

[Yamauchi]

Good.

 

[hym]

So we will see book burnings in Japan soon?

 

[The Living Tribunal]

About fucking time Japan.

Remember this thread?

 

[BocoDragon]

So how does that work? Like, are there height requirements on fictional characters or something? Lol, some sick shit, and I sort of agree it should be banned.

But I draw a blank at how you enforce stuff like that.

It seems pretty weird to me too.

If I draw a naked girl who looks young, but it says "Age 20" next to it, is that loli? IRL, there are real girls of age who you would swear are underage from looking at them.

Cartoons don't actually have ages.

 

[dokish]

About fucking time Japan.

Remember this thread?

what.

 

[Seanspeed]

Possession of child pornography featuring real children is a terrible thing, but I've yet to see a convincing argument for why porn featuring drawn fictional children should be illegal to possess. Most arguments are slippery slope fallacy, which is a fallacy and thus not a good argument. The ones that aren't that are "it will lead them to fuck real children" which is unsubstantiated as far as I know.

Certain things should be universally and actively discouraged in society. Just because there isn't a lot of evidence that it directly leads to seeking out sex with underage people doesn't mean we should risk the possibility of it.

I mean, who does this law really hurt? Obviously most drawn characters cant be proven to have any specific age, so its really only ever a clear-cut case when its actual children and not just late-teen types.

I'm all for it.

 

[Deadbeat]

So we will see book burnings in Japan soon?

How about you stop jacking off to 10 year old anime girls and roll back that hyperbole a bit?

edit: I cannot tell if you are drawing a comparison and being sarcastic about it or not.

 

[Vermillion]

Phew, I was expecting exactly the reverse.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Great. I hope all that loli crap disappears.

 

[Tomat]

Neat, but anyone who turns this into a chance to pile on anime fans can go fuck themselves.

How about you stop jacking off to 10 year old anime girls and roll back that hyperbole a bit?

Unless of course you are being sarcastic. I honestly cannot tell anymore.

You're not sure, so you're going to sling personal insults around? Why do that?

 

[The Living Tribunal]

How about you stop jacking off to 10 year old anime girls and roll back that hyperbole a bit?

It's ok, she's actually a 4000 year old witch.

 

[Matt_]

I find the fact that child porn wasn't actually illegal in the first place quite disturbing

 

[jgminto]

This will be a fun thread.

 

[CornBurrito]

Certain things should be universally and actively discouraged in society. Just because there isn't a lot of evidence that it directly leads to seeking out sex with underage people doesn't mean we should risk the possibility of it.

I mean, who does this law really hurt? Obviously most drawn characters cant be proven to have any specific age, so its really only ever a clear-cut case when its actual children and not just late-teen types.

I'm all for it.

And what if research came out that showed a direct link between legality of loli porn and a decrease in sexual assault against minors? Would you be for it?

 

[BocoDragon]

I find the fact that child porn wasn't actually illegal in the first place quite disturbing

Obviously photographs were illegal before.

 

[7Th]

I can't believe people are actually celebrating censorship and the punishment of THOUGHTCRIMES.

 

[injurai]

Neat, but anyone who turns this into a chance to pile on anime fans can go fuck themselves.

loli and moe have been ruining good animes for years now, this can only be good.

 

[Risette]

loli and moe have been ruining good animes for years now, this can only be good.

not really

 

[CornBurrito]

loli and moe have been ruining good animes for years now, this can only be good.

Can you provide any examples of good anime ruined by loli?

Also how in the fuck does "moe" relate to this at all? A cutesy artstyle is not banned by this law.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

I think it just means, in the case of loli, is that if you were to posses a drawing of a girl that looked strikingly similar to a real girl then you could get in trouble? I dunno, but yeah of course CP should be illegal. Lolicon or whatever though isn't actually real. I mean if your going to make that illegal then shouldn't you make comic books or printed material or even TV shows involving murders and rape illegal too?

 

[cameron]

Certain things should be universally and actively discouraged in society. Just because there isn't a lot of evidence that it directly leads to seeking out sex with underage people doesn't mean we should risk the possibility of it.

I mean, who does this law really hurt? Obviously most drawn characters cant be proven to have any specific age, so its really only ever a clear-cut case when its actual children and not just late-teen types.

I'm all for it.

Isn't that the same argument used against violence in video games or other forms of media?

 

[Metrotab]

loli and moe have been ruining good animes for years now, this can only be good.

A ban on moe is not on the agenda though.

 

[Polari]

Possession of child pornography featuring real children is a terrible thing, but I've yet to see a convincing argument for why porn featuring drawn fictional children should be illegal to possess. Most arguments are slippery slope fallacy, which is a fallacy and thus not a good argument. The ones that aren't that are "it will lead them to fuck real children" which is unsubstantiated as far as I know.

I'd argue it normalises aberrant behaviour. Also I think the onus is on p̶e̶d̶o̶s̶ people to prove it's not harmful rather than on society to prove it is.

Obviously photographs were illegal before.

Not according to - y'know - the text in the OP of this very thread.

 

[Tomat]

loli and moe have been ruining good animes for years now, this can only be good.

That's not what I'm getting at. It's the people who turn these kind of threads into "All anime fans are pedophiles" shit that should not be allowed.

 

[CornBurrito]

Isn't that the same argument used against violence in video games or other forms of media?

Yes it is. The exact same argument.

I'd argue it normalises aberrant behaviour. Also I think the onus is on p̶e̶d̶o̶s̶ people to prove it's not harmful rather than on society to prove it is.

I'd argue that the onus falls on the person making the claim.

I don't know if loli porn increases or decreases sexual assaults directed at children (or it might be neutral). Though we're entering thought crime territory by banning it without any data whatsoever.

And again, this is the same argument against violent video games and movies. They normalize such behavior. And studies have actually shown that people are more aggressive after watching violent things and more desensitized to it. Do you support a ban on violent games?