eastwood333
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2. Sony is by far the market leader. Look at all the marketing deals and timed exclusivity. They weren't worried about burning bridges
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Jeff Grubb: Devs Fawning over PS5. Haven't heard the same praise for XSX, but heard nothing bad
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2. Sony is by far the market leader. Look at all the marketing deals and timed exclusivity. They weren't worried about burning bridges
Peenolia010
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I could see those two guys actually doing that if Microsoft somehow manages to stumble the Series X somehow.Colt and Dealer
zaitsu
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Like month ago , and he was right about all reveals in may.was he the first to mention 4 Jun? Iirc there were many throwing dates, acting as insider.
i never really heard of this jeff until today
bitbydeath
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Yes, but the GPU cannot output 8K assets, that is carried out by the extremely fast SSD.
Where as the GPU can only output 4K.
MasterCornholio
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Dee Dah Dave
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The weaker spec machine is the most powerful, Sony just can’t lose. #basedcerny
DynamiteCop!
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Those assets still have to be rendered by the GPU....
FranXico
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They spoke confidentially precisely to avoid burning bridges.
And there is more to politics than market share. People seriously underestimate how much influence Microsoft has on many, many industries, including gaming.
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Kazekage1981
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I hope they show the actual console, AAA true 4K 30-60fps games with HDR and Raytracing, Haptic feedback, Virtual Reality, New 3-D sound thing, services, ,more info on backwards compatibility,
I am excited, but not gonna ride the hype train.
bitbydeath
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Yes, but it wouldn’t be possible at all without a fast SSD.
The SSD is the largest contributor of this operation.
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JareBear: Remastered
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My dude, I think you may be a little mistaken. Or maybe I’m mistaken. I dunno anymore
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Kazekage1981
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How do you propose NVIDIA with Ampere and Hopper, and AMD with RDNA 3 output FUHD 8K graphics for PC?
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Bryank75
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Yeah, most of what we are saying here is empty talk till we see the end product... games.
At the end of the day, I'm sure both sides and people on the fence will be happy with their purchases, it's clear Xbox management has improved things a lot over the early years but I still think you could do with some more great exclusives....
Then we should all be happy... but we all know we will continue to argue cause that's the only dance we know.
DynamiteCop!
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Of course it would be possible without the SSD, there would just be a higher reliance on the RAM.
eastwood333
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No, to avoid NDA's
Dory16
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From the guy that said the PS3 outsold the 360 in its first year and that his source is "public knowledge". You're a phony Sir.
The throttling stuff has been discussed too often on this forum and I know that you have the "it's not throttling", it's using "locked profiles" answer ready. Maybe another time.
MasterCornholio
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FranXico
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You're right. Breaking an NDA takes precedence to any other possible concern.
bitbydeath
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Streaming is only made possible by the speed of the SSD, without it the loading of such large textures in such a small timeframe wouldn’t be possible. The assets would instead need to be loaded into memory prior to the game commencing.
zaitsu
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Exactly
FranXico
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And it would take much longer to load.
bitbydeath
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Neither system is built for that at 8K.
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DynamiteCop!
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Which is kind of the point, it alleviates the need for a higher capacity of total system RAM.
This SSD stuff isn't some game changer, it's just an ancillary device to assist memory management in wake of lower capacity.
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NullZ3r0
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So we're back to the "brute force vs. efficient" argument. LOL
DynamiteCop!
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The guys name is "SSDfan", be aware of your surroundings and save your time.
Vasto
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They wont be burning bridges by just saying the PS5 is really good system and they like it alot because there is nothing wrong with saying that. The dev behind Scorn and Bright Memory Infinite both talked about working with Series X.
Here is the World War Z dev who was asked about the next gen consoles and talks about working with Direct X 12 Ultimate features.
Maybe they are under NDA until after the event but I just need more details to get excited.
bitbydeath
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The whole conversation is about discrediting the SSD over the GPU and I have said that the SSD is doing one thing the rest of the system including the GPU isn’t built for.
DynamiteCop!
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The Sony community is still talking about it and I'd wager at a higher frequency than the Xbox community, the difference is now they are trying to diminish instead of bolster it because their console is now confirmed to have less..
FranXico
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Right, the post above also reminded me of the ever present NDAs.
Dory16
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Oh I see. if you have shit games you sell 50 million, not 110 and 10 million people subscribe to your service. When are you starting your gaming business? Seems like you understand the ins and outs.
Kazekage1981
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I Think I said what needed to be said, I am not going to engage in another PS5 SSD praise miracle sauce thread. Peace out. Take whatever Jeff Grubb said with a grain of salt. All will be clear on June 4. I am confident Sony will deliver.
Radical_3d
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It’s not like we are going to see any difference:
Slings and Arrows
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Oh I see you're putting words in to my mouth. Seems like you understand the ins and outs of being a mong.
DynamiteCop!
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All the SSD is doing is taking on a load which the memory would typically handle, that's it. If we could do it and it was cost efficient we would get rid of storage devices entirely and everything would be stored in RAM.
That's just not realistic so the SSD comes into the fray operating as an ancillary device to assist the memory.
RasAlGhoul
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So many salty little children in here. All over a toy. LoL
bitbydeath
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Yes. I agree. But do you agree that without the SSD that 8K graphics wouldn’t be capable?
It doesn’t matter that more memory could do it, the point is with the current specs only the SSD can do it.
Vawn
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Remember the PS3 wss more powerful than the 360, yet games usually looked the same or performed better on 360.
We're talking about how the system is designed and how well its design3d for developers to get the most out of it.
DynamiteCop!
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No, because changes could be made elsewhere in memory management to where the RAM itself could offset the load. It would make development more difficult no doubt but it absolutely could be done.
This isn't some type of magical device like you guys make it out to be, it's just REALLY slow RAM with a large capacity.
BigLee74
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That is what is called stage 5, acceptance. Right after bargaining (hey, that SSD is alright).
Can't wait until the actual games are out and proper comparisons can be made between the systems.
Shin
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I as well, really curious as to the console's design (if we get to see it).
They nailed the color scheme IMO though that's subjective, I am happy with the white/blue and black.
DynamiteCop!
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The PS3 was a convoluted unfamiliar completely custom architecture that no one had ever worked with before, and the 360 was PowerPC which many developers were familiar with.
Both the Series X and PlayStation 5 are x86 which developers are the most familiar and skilled at working on. Your weird comparison doesn't logically bear out.
Gamerguy84
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Cerny is a dev so it makes sense. He builds for devs. What are we talking about though, the architecture plus the software tools used to build games?
I believe both are extremely good pieces of hardware to work with honestly.
I believe both are extremely good pieces of hardware to work with honestly.
bitbydeath
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There’s no magic but near instant streaming of 8K textures is pretty incredible in my books.
Kazekage1981
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This cannot be emphasized enough. The SSD has a new function of being used as slow RAM. Both XsX and PS5 have achieved the bandwidth of the SSD to be close to the RAM bandwidth of of Original Xbox in 2001, Nintendo Gamecube, and Playstation 2.
MasterCornholio
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More devs with no names and no actual quotes.
Like the guy who claimed that differences between the two were "staggering".
Nobody is going to give out names since there's a possibility that they could hurt their contacts.
Either you choose to believe this or you not. But at least it's not coming from some random PasteBin.
Kazekage1981
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muh 12 TFLOPS, gamepass, xcloud, BC enhanced, are all fucking fantastic.
geordiemp
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That is what is called stage 5, acceptance. Right after bargaining (hey, that SSD is alright).
Can't wait until the actual games are out and proper comparisons can be made between the systems.
There wont be for a long time.
You will have many cross gen games made for Jaguar and HDD that look like all current games with more resolution / frame rate and you wont see shit, and they will look like current gen games on a high end PC.
Then there will be actual next gen games made for zen 2 and SSD that are a step above that will look infinitely better (go watch UE5 demo for what high assets do).
I think Sony will show everyone what its about next week, there will be no debate.
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