Just wanted to make sure I had your strawman straight.
I see people on GAF calling Steve Bannon and Richard Spencer nazis. That amounts to labeling two of the most prominent and outspoken white supremacists as nazis. Care to point out any other examples? The one post on this page accusing someone of calling Milo a nazi is actually responding to a post calling Richard Spencer a nazi.
So, if we're keeping it real, and that's the attitude "prevalent lately on this forum," who else are we talking about? Because this is you verbatim:
So who else we got? Where are you pulling this shit from? Let's not devolve into fallacious nonsense, my dude.
Just so you know, I'm familiar with sea lioning.I know your post is facetious and it has been an emotional election, however to say that we live in a Nazi regime is ignorant and immature. It also implies you have given up on our system of checks and balances. Don't give up, our government still works despite the person you wanted in office is not there, and if you really want to make it better help someone run against these clowns in office or contribute in some other way.
I'm confused. Who in this thread has said "if you don't agree with me you're a nazi"?
Violence is not defensible no matter your "noble" cause.
But you said just let them speak and the odious ideas will lose... this election showed that yeah that's not true.
People putting people like Milo on their podcast, on their networks, normalize him and enable him to spread his hate further and further.
Why are you being so obtuse?
Modern republicans are Nazi supporters. They carry all the stigma and all the consequences of being associated with Nazi support. That is not an uncommon, nor controversial view, especially on this forum.
If you're going to defeat bigotry etc it will be through words and better argumentation, not petty physical violence. It only gives those people a bigger megaphone.
She did not lose because of hateful ideas. She lost for reasons that I won't bother reposting here.
Sure, but who cares. The point is to come up with a better counter argument that will be better accepted with the mainstream.
Just so you know, I'm familiar with sea lioning.
Regarding checks and balances: those are actively under attack by the executive. See the executive's comments regarding the legislative branch's perceived overreach.
The ultimate check is the American people. Sometimes that means standing up to people that want to eradicate the Jewish people. That also involves knowing what the stated goals of Nazis are.
Here is my counter argument.
Trump won because people support his bigotry and anti-establishment views.
She did not lose because of hateful ideas. She lost for reasons that I won't bother reposting here.
Sure, but who cares. The point is to come up with a better counter argument that will be better accepted with the mainstream.
Nah. I know many black and latin people that voted for him. Etc etc you could go on and on about this crazy election.
But who cares?
I care, normalizing bigots actually makes them harder to defeat... because they you know become normal and their methods become acceptable.
Bigotry will not be normalized anytime soon.
Bigotry will not be normalized anytime soon.
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Bigotry will not be normalized anytime soon.
This was at a Texas high school last week:
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It's. Happening.
Nah. I know many black and latin people that voted for him. Etc etc you could go on and on about this crazy election.
You have to be fucking kidding me.
Anecdotal, isolated.
I am a minority and do not even feel an ounce of that going on.
And I am minority and feel it every day.
How ironic that you push it aside because it's anecdotal and then proceed to use an anecdote.
Indeed. That is how anecdotes work. Maybe its better to not bring them up?
Shockingly, Nazis getting punched in the face are also anecdotal and isolated incidents.Anecdotal, isolated.
I am a minority and do not even feel an ounce of that going on.
If you're going to defeat bigotry etc it will be through words and better argumentation, not petty physical violence. It only gives those people a bigger megaphone.
So you are a hypocrite then?
Nope. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of it when trying to generalize a point.
Your first point is childishly misguided and your second point has already been disproven. You're not going to come up with a logical argument to prove Jews are people and the white nationalists are now afraid to publicly express their abhorrent views because they are afraid they're going to get punched, and that doesn't rally anyone else to their cause. The violence is working.
So yes.
"childishly misguided "
Why do you feel that way?
Sure you can. You can form an argument for anything. And all arguments are wrong by their very nature.
No, the violence is not working. It never has and never will. That is my friend is childishly misguided.
Anecdotal, isolated.
I am a minority and do not even feel an ounce of that going on.
This isn't very surprising, young children have a weird fascination with things that piss other people off. Look at COD, as soon as they made custom emblems a thing 8 years ago, every pip squeak with a mic had swastikas on their profiles, it got to the point where you just stop reporting offensive emblems and hope the devs crackdown. What I'm getting at is, this is nothing new, and liberals really need to stop giving Milo all this free press. You guys giving him the spot light by giving him the attention he craves. You can't stop talking about him, protesting him, commiting acts of violence. It's like you guys are feeding him energy.......and no one notices that at all. Like shit imagine what you could do with that energy if you went out in your community and educated the millions who didn't bother voting this year.This was at a Texas high school last week:
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It's. Happening.
Actually by being a hypocrite that isn't arguing in good faith; it does matter.I guess? Who cares what I am personally. My points still stand.
It never has and never will. That is my friend is childishly misguided.
"Don't pay attention to that. Anecdotal."
*Immediately uses anecdote as counterpoint*
Actually by being a hypocrite that isn't arguing in good faith; it does matter.
You would see the irony in this if you were here in good faith.
You can reason with the unreasonable, this is known."childishly misguided "
Why do you feel that way?
Sure you can. You can form an argument for anything. And all arguments are wrong by their very nature.
No, the violence is not working. It never has and never will. That is my friend is childishly misguided.
This isn't very surprising, young children have a weird fascination with things that piss other people off. Look at COD, as soon as they made custom emblems a thing 8 years ago, every pip squeak with a mic had swastikas on their profiles, it got to the point where you just stop reporting offensive emblems and hope the devs crackdown. What I'm getting at is, this is nothing new, and liberals really need to stop giving Milo all this free press. You guys giving him the spot light by giving him the attention he craves. You can't stop talking about him, protesting him, commiting acts of violence. It's like you guys are feeding him energy.......and no one notices that at all. Like shit imagine what you could do with that energy if you went out in your community and educated the millions who didn't bother voting this year.
What makes you doubt I am here not in good faith? I am not defending the racists and bigots, just everyone's right to say what they want within reason (not hate speech).
Ad hominems do not make my points disappear btw.
You can reason with the unreasonable, this is known.
Yes it is. They've already said they're afraid. How come you don't know this?
This isn't very surprising, young children have a weird fascination with things that piss other people off. Look at COD, as soon as they made custom emblems a thing 8 years ago, every pip squeak with a mic had swastikas on their profiles, it got to the point where you just stop reporting offensive emblems and hope the devs crackdown. What I'm getting at is, this is nothing new, and liberals really need to stop giving Milo all this free press. You guys giving him the spot light by giving him the attention he craves. You can't stop talking about him, protesting him, commiting acts of violence. It's like you guys are feeding him energy.......and no one notices that at all. Like shit imagine what you could do with that energy if you went out in your community and educated the millions who didn't bother voting this year.
What makes you doubt I am here not in good faith? I am not defending the racists and bigots, just everyone's right to say what they want within reason (not hate speech).
The person you've been defending this entire time
http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/10/26/milo-yiannopoulos-takes-transphobia-tour
What makes you doubt I am here not in good faith? I am not defending the racists and bigots, just everyone's right to say what they want within reason (not hate speech).
Ad hominems do not make my points disappear btw.
But Milo's bread and butter is hate speech. He started with Gamergate, which was a misogynist movement.
He harassed an actress off of Twitter with racism.
What are you trying to say?
I am aware of him. The reason he is dangerous is because he knows how to argue.
We need someone that will actually debate him and not get emotional because of what he says.
But Milo's bread and butter is hate speech. He started with Gamergate, which was a misogynist movement.
He harassed an actress off of Twitter with racism.
What are you trying to say?
I'm saying Milo wasn't a household name until liberals made him into a god damn rockstar."Liberals need to stop speaking up about the fucked up shit people do that oppresses others"
So what do you suggest is the best thing to do about it? Ignore it hoping it goes away? All the while more and more people are being persuaded to become bigots....
Or do you just think that it's overblown and people aren't turning into racists/homophobes/misogynists over the guise of "being against political correctness"
You said not hate speech... what he does is hate speech, and yet you still think he shouldn't be denied a platform.