Yep. Didn't take much to expose it either. Now I am truly done with them.
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Joe Rogan and Alex Jones get high and incoherently discuss crazy shit (JRE podcast)
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Yep. Didn't take much to expose it either. Now I am truly done with them.
Gold Feather
Banned
Ill be back later. If I'm not I just want to tell you all that life is more than black and white.
We need to understand each other better. Everyone is wrong regardless of how strong your feelings are for your own arguments.
We need to understand each other better. Everyone is wrong regardless of how strong your feelings are for your own arguments.
excelsiorlef
Member
So basically you aren't aware and just decided to blame liberals lol...
Milo is a guy so odious he actually got banned from twitter and had the ban stick.... you not knowing him until now is on you not on liberals.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
Where did i ever suggest I support Milo aka his views, I do support Free speech and non violent protest. I have very liberal views on such things..go figure.
If calm articulated, sometimes humorous, dialog about issues where you listen, learn , and get educated to dissenting points of view., then contemplate better counterpoints so you can come to a more well rounded nuanced opinion on things before you heard all sides ..ya whew ya got me that's a pretty flawed approach.... I should just get angry and throw some labels on people I don't like and claim moral superiority.
Well I'm a liberal by any American standard, Maybe a small C conservative by our Canadian Standards.. but I guess your bothered that actual rioters against a right wing speaker being called radical left .. I'd say their actions defined them I'm trying to categorize them differently from rational liberals I hardly thing that's unfair
1) police brutality
sucks
2) Trayvon Martin
terrible tragedy
3) The history of Nazi's and their rise to power
Umm I hate Nazi's?
4) Trumps inciting comments at his rallies, and the violence at his rallies
Trumps said some pretty shitty things , I don't support Trump but I don't deny he's the American President so we'll have to deal with him as such..respect the position if you can't respect the person is a virtue I adhere to in life. I don't condone violence in general.
5) how the right doesn't disavow or even care much about how their party is infiltrated by white supremacists
hmm I'm pretty sure most conservatives do disavow white supremacists...just like i'm sure most liberals disavow communists..i think both sides just don't take responsibility for these minor fringe elements.
Just cuz a nazi votes for trump that doesn't mean he supports nazi's or is a nazi no matter how many try to make that the narrative.
6) The right and it's obsession with the confederacy[/QUOTE]
hmm pretty ignorant on what your asking honestly i'm not sure how to answer that one.
For what its worth to me the way things are escalating I view the far left and the far right as literally mirror images of the same extreme undesirable ideologys. Both Are authoritarian and neither I would support.
On specific issues sometimes I support Socialist views , sometimes I support Liberal views, sometimes I support Conservative views..it all just depends. I don't subscribe to life long team membership.
The Salt Life
Banned
Both sides are not the same, they both have violent assholes, they both have people in power who make empty promises and use people like chess pieces.
But the people, the citizens of this countrt that make up those two ideologies are totally different.
#AllTakesMatter
Gold Feather
Banned
Im not contrarian trolling. I just do not have a horse in this race.
Gold Feather,
I don't see how people still use Both Sides argument for fascism and stuff currently affecting people, and growing. What is the intellectual take home from both sides? Rarely is anyone in a position that is declaring that one side of an opposition is, literally, perfect. Human beings are flawed, so inherently sides and positions will be. There will be extremes, but it is a spectrum. And bigly, one spectrum is better for the rights of human beings than the other. Thats where I have a problem with bothsiders. One side has accountability, and channels to correct behavior. One side, is brazen in its hate and motive to make things worse for large groups of people, as well as the globe. Both sides is usually said in the spirit of debunking the idea that 1 extreme is better than the other. I don't see this argument being made, and I think it is more of a distraction from current issues.
"Oh, well.. both sides are bad so that means as a people we should not make efforts to reduce/denounce the intentions of 1 side who is currently in a position of power to be horrible with no accountability."
Is that the logic behind the bothsider? Or is it just to win a system war argument that Sony sucks too, and thats where it ends?
Thoughts?
I don't see how people still use Both Sides argument for fascism and stuff currently affecting people, and growing. What is the intellectual take home from both sides? Rarely is anyone in a position that is declaring that one side of an opposition is, literally, perfect. Human beings are flawed, so inherently sides and positions will be. There will be extremes, but it is a spectrum. And bigly, one spectrum is better for the rights of human beings than the other. Thats where I have a problem with bothsiders. One side has accountability, and channels to correct behavior. One side, is brazen in its hate and motive to make things worse for large groups of people, as well as the globe. Both sides is usually said in the spirit of debunking the idea that 1 extreme is better than the other. I don't see this argument being made, and I think it is more of a distraction from current issues.
"Oh, well.. both sides are bad so that means as a people we should not make efforts to reduce/denounce the intentions of 1 side who is currently in a position of power to be horrible with no accountability."
Is that the logic behind the bothsider? Or is it just to win a system war argument that Sony sucks too, and thats where it ends?
Thoughts?
People either too lazy do any research, or people too cowardly actually take a real stance so they say everyone is bad.
Or trolls like above.
Gold Feather
Banned
I'll address this later. Thanks for the reply.
The Salt Life
Banned
Wow, that's intense but I think I'm going to watch the video that shows everything that led up to that moment before I make any final judgements.
Edit: had to care for someone who was pepper sprayed at a concert, I'm surprised they didn't have medical staff on hand to tend to those people after they removed them.
You've truly lost it here.
It was in good faith tho.
Lmao, Wrap it up boys. Stop giving this guy attention.
Gold Feather makes no sense when I look at the posts. "Sides" has nothing to do with anything, a person should always stand for justice or helping the people who need help the most. What is the point of even spending the effort in the topic if one has no stake? If I have absolutely no stake in something, I will simply not comment on it.
Not to mention he actually lied:
"I am not defending the racists and the bigots, just everyone's right to say what they want within reason (not hate speech)."
But then he contradicts himself here.
"If they're bigotted, they ultimately have a losing argument anyway. Do not silence them."
What the hell is with this guy?
Not to mention he actually lied:
"I am not defending the racists and the bigots, just everyone's right to say what they want within reason (not hate speech)."
But then he contradicts himself here.
"If they're bigotted, they ultimately have a losing argument anyway. Do not silence them."
What the hell is with this guy?
I didn't mean for it to sound that I think you support Milo. I meant that you associated his bigoted views as the same as gay people who hated catholics. It's not the same. If you care enough, I can try to show you examples, but there are many people who have already provided some in this thread.
I like Joe Rogan for entertainment value, but you don't listen enough if you haven't noticed how he's jumped off the deep end into full blown far right ideology. Not saying he's a Nazi, but if you agree on most points that the new-age clean cut neo-nazi's are making... then what are you?
Just from the episodes I listen to here and there, he's essentially revealed his opposition to most leftist concepts, and his support for most far right concepts.
My point was that you can say "there was no evidence that they were all anarchists, so most were probably self-identified liberals", but to paint the actions of few as the support by many can be used on the opposite side too. That's why I asked for your opinions below.
My point here is that most of the new age Nazi's/white supremacist/alt-right whatever you wanna call them, are using the same tactics the original Nazi's did. Rational people like you and me sat back and played this stupid "both sides" argument and then BOOM shit hit the fan.
Research what Germany was like prior to the Nazi's taking power and you will see the similarities to how people are acting today.
So you can say that Anarchists and crazy left-wing people not being publicly disavowed means the left supports violence and that Joe Rogan is right, but saying that supporting a President who has clear connections to white supremacists is a "narrative" that people are trying to make...
I'm just giving another example that all of the racists and white supremacists follow right wing ideology, to show you that the word Nazi really isn't that far from the truth.
Your perspective is fair, but the "both sides" argument is so incredibly flawed. Much more intelligent people have written this out already, some in this very thread. Google if you really care.
I'm not saying you have to be some hardcore liberal/left-wing person, but to disregard the bigotry/homophobia/misogyny happening under Republicans is being willfully blind.....
It's some weird motivation to come out trying to appear virtuous by telling people the rules of their kindergarten class. The attempt to condescend by trying to appeal to science is putting a parody hat on a hat.
Jfc, how can I handle all these hot takes?
l2ounD
Member
lmao, whoa what did I miss!
??? What do you mean
teh_dude_r9
Banned
lmao the ego, irony, and lack of self awareness in that comment
be more vague and lacking just to sound like you have something meaningful to say
This is fucking straw man bullshit, Breitbart pushers get called Nazi's, not "people who disagree".
This is WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
jellies_two
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I listened to the first hour then it struck me what this stuff is for listeners and producers
It is an exciting adventure sport one anyone can participate in, notice that these broadcasts are chock full of tips you should "look up" the whole 3 hour plus experience is an extreme sports wilderness trek you can bring your modded laptop onto and then the group experiences it together, but does as much or as little as they want. The most enthusiastic tourists can become
Guides one day. Riffing on the randomness of the net.
It's a virtual cruise with optional shore excursions. Visit crazy temples, explore twisty mines full of surprises.
And the price is just buying their swag.
It's very economical entertainment that is role played wth so much seriousness someone might pickup a gun and visit a real place, or vote for a politician who is xenophobic.
It is an exciting adventure sport one anyone can participate in, notice that these broadcasts are chock full of tips you should "look up" the whole 3 hour plus experience is an extreme sports wilderness trek you can bring your modded laptop onto and then the group experiences it together, but does as much or as little as they want. The most enthusiastic tourists can become
Guides one day. Riffing on the randomness of the net.
It's a virtual cruise with optional shore excursions. Visit crazy temples, explore twisty mines full of surprises.
And the price is just buying their swag.
It's very economical entertainment that is role played wth so much seriousness someone might pickup a gun and visit a real place, or vote for a politician who is xenophobic.
You not having a horse in the race doesn't make it any less contrarian trolling. One does not beget the other. Not only that but not having a horse in the race only makes the stuff you're saying seem even MORE contrarian than ever.
Then again a lot of the high minded bull shit you're trying to push is pretty laughable. Just because you quote Aristotle doesn't make your arguments anymore sound or cohesive.
l2ounD
Member
Care to elaborate on what points new-age clean cut neo-nazi make that Rogan agrees with?
From the episodes I listen to my take away is that Joe is more a hippie. He wants the public nature parks protected, he wants decriminalization of drugs and generally hippie stuff like people should be able to do what they want as long as they dont hurt anyone.
I mean the dude does yoga and eats at vegan resturants
Joe comes off as far more of a libertarian than hippy if you ask me.
Onlinehero
Member
Both sides are the same... in different ways!
Insight. Talking about neuance while simplifying to the highest order. Take a break and check yourself.
Rails against "SJW's" constantly
Doesn't believe in trans bathroom bill
Thinks white people have the same claim to racism as blacks and frequently belittles BLM
Thinks Hillary Clinton is a criminal that should be in jail
Despises any kind of gun legislation at all
Yeah, such a hippie.
CopperPuppy
Member
B-b-but he does yoga and eats at vegan restaurants!
LOL.
Also, how can you be libertarian and also vehemently in support of government telling people what bathroom they can use?
He's trolling.
Both sides are not the same but they are both bad, however one side is definitely a lot worse than the other.
Dude Abides
Banned
Everything is everything and nothing matters!
It's an Aristotelian argument.
It's an Aristotelian argument.
I'm more of a So Crates kind of guy myself.
There's more too. He supplies a platform for many voices of the alt-right to get their message out to millions upon millions per month. He gets 90+ million hits per podcast!
Plus he tried to pretend for a while that he wasn't for Trump, but he's dropped hints for months and months.
I never said he was a Nazi, but he's literally given a platform to Nazi sympathizers. It's undeniable.
I still listen to the ones I find interesting, because it isn't ALWAYS political, but you either don't really listen or you're oblivious if you don't see how many of his views align with the alt-right
Meh. I've come around to these two. I can see why even average people could agree with these 2 statements and don't see why it would make them a clean cut alt right.
Regarding the other things you mentioned, like trans bathrooms, yeah, I haven't heard those episodes personally but I believe you so you might be right there.
Regarding the gun legislation point, I heard an episode recently where I forget if it was Joe or his guest, who said that 'To a lot of conservatives hearing democrats talk about gun control is like republicans denying climate change. Most democrats don't understand how guns work and Obama himself couldn't tell a clip from a magazine (something like this I forget exactly). Hence, when democrats talk about gun control they say erroneous things which shuts down the conversation for the listener. An example was given where current gun owners have to undergo background checks each time they get ammunition'. He mentioned that if a democrat could understand gun ownership better and meet the conservative base halfway on that dems would do much better in red states.
I don't know much about guns myself but that sounds like a realistic scenario to me.
Obama already was meeting them more than halfway when all he wanted to do was ban people from the terrorist watch list and do stricter background checks. Knowing about guns past the point of "they kill people" and knowing the difference between an automatic and semi-automatic rifle is irrelevant.
I will believe Republicans want to meet halfway on guns when they stop taking marching orders from the NRA.
l2ounD
Member
Oh come on...
Rails against SJW.. sorry but some rightfully deserved to be made fun of. HughMungus?
Or the Lion one... etc
He likes to make fun of people
When you say he belittles BLM or say he think white people have the same claim to racism. Do you feel he is being racist? And perhaps its a pragmatic view in that racism can happen to any race, or did he specifically call out white people?
Hilary Clinton... He doesnt like her and think the Clintons are corrupt. Is he wrong? Are you saying there is nothing shaddy with the Clintons?
Gun legislation.. He is pro-gun, he likes hunting. I havent listen to him say he despises all legislation so I could be wrong but I'd figure he would be for regulating on who can acquire firearms. Again this is just what I feel from listening to him
l2ounD
Member
Many voices of the alt-right? Out of 911 podcasts how many would you say are alt righters?
I get Milo and Alex, who else is on the list?
And Im pretty sure if he voted, I dunno if he did but he would have voted for the libertarian guy he had one his podcast.
Again Im still unsure what views he has that aligns with the alt-right vs the many that are liberal
Pretty sure Rogan voted for Johnson, though he did advocate for Bernie a bit before the primaries ended.
He's a textbook libertarian, though even then he is very open to new ideas and was actually convinced that free college is a good idea. Though he entertains people like Milo, that podcast did a good job of getting him to flub up and drop, even for a brief moment the act he performs so well. Again, Rogan allows quite literally anyone on his podcast.
You basiclly made really vague and worthless excuses for his positions. You dont think that believing white people have it as bad as black people with racism is racist?
Clinton: so any evidence of this? Or is this a rehash of the election where people made more vague and bullshit statements with no real evidence? Email amirite?
So you believe in #AllLivesMatter?
You maybe want to check the couple of episodes he's had with an ex Baltimore cop exposing corrution and institutional racism before generalising in such a wrong way.
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