Thank you for stop pretending you are in this argument for anything besides contrarian trolling.
Yep. Didn't take much to expose it either. Now I am truly done with them.
Thank you for stop pretending you are in this argument for anything besides contrarian trolling.
Maybe that's why I never heard of him, I didn't follow gamergate at all.
All I know is in this thread I saw a video of a woman getting maced in the face by some coward and I agreed with Joe Rogans points.
Where did i ever suggest I support Milo aka his views, I do support Free speech and non violent protest. I have very liberal views on such things..go figure.I'd rather support the vast majority of gay people who hate Milo.
If calm articulated, sometimes humorous, dialog about issues where you listen, learn , and get educated to dissenting points of view., then contemplate better counterpoints so you can come to a more well rounded nuanced opinion on things before you heard all sides ..ya whew ya got me that's a pretty flawed approach.... I should just get angry and throw some labels on people I don't like and claim moral superiority.Also if you really are using Joe Rogan as a beacon for your ideology, you're probably unaware of the flaws in your argument.
Well I'm a liberal by any American standard, Maybe a small C conservative by our Canadian Standards.. but I guess your bothered that actual rioters against a right wing speaker being called radical left .. I'd say their actions defined them I'm trying to categorize them differently from rational liberals I hardly thing that's unfairBy the way, you have no problem painting "liberals" and "the left" as these violent people, yet I wonder what your views are on:
Both sides are not the same, they both have violent assholes, they both have people in power who make empty promises and use people like chess pieces.Both sides are indeed the same. American politics is ridiculous.
Both sides are racist in different ways. Both sides espouse violence in different ways.
Both sides contaminate the environment in different ways etc etc. It is your culture fighting among itself.
Maybe that's why I never heard of him, I didn't follow gamergate at all.
All I know is in this thread I saw a video of a woman getting maced in the face by some coward and I agreed with Joe Rogans points.
Ill be back later. If I'm not I just want to tell you all that life is more than black and white.
We need to understand each other better. Everyone is wrong regardless of how strong your feelings are for your own arguments.
Thank you for stop pretending you are in this argument for anything besides contrarian trolling.
And being so cowardly to hid behind a alt.
Im not contrarian trolling. I just do not have a horse in this race.
I don't see how people still use Both Sides argument for fascism and stuff currently affecting people, and growing. What is the intellectual take home from both sides? Rarely is anyone in a position that is declaring that one side of an opposition is, literally, perfect. Human beings are flawed, so inherently sides and positions will be. Thats where I have a problem with bothsiders. One side has accountability, and channels to correct behavior. One side, is brazen in its hate and motive to make things worse for large groups of people, as well as the globe. Both sides is usually said in the spirit of debunking the idea that 1 extreme is better than the other. I don't see this argument being made, and I think it is more of a distraction from current issues.
"Oh, well.. both sides are bad so that means as a people we should not make efforts to reduce/denounce the intentions of 1 side who is currently in a position of power to be horrible with no accountability."
Is that the logic behind the bothsider? Or is it just to win a system war argument that Sony sucks too, and thats where it ends?
Can someone chime in here?
Gold Feather,
I don't see how people still use Both Sides argument for fascism and stuff currently affecting people, and growing. What is the intellectual take home from both sides? Rarely is anyone in a position that is declaring that one side of an opposition is, literally, perfect. Human beings are flawed, so inherently sides and positions will be. There will be extremes, but it is a spectrum. And bigly, one spectrum is better for the rights of human beings than the other. Thats where I have a problem with bothsiders. One side has accountability, and channels to correct behavior. One side, is brazen in its hate and motive to make things worse for large groups of people, as well as the globe. Both sides is usually said in the spirit of debunking the idea that 1 extreme is better than the other. I don't see this argument being made, and I think it is more of a distraction from current issues.
"Oh, well.. both sides are bad so that means as a people we should not make efforts to reduce/denounce the intentions of 1 side who is currently in a position of power to be horrible with no accountability."
Is that the logic behind the bothsider? Or is it just to win a system war argument that Sony sucks too, and thats where it ends?
Thoughts?
Wow, that's intense but I think I'm going to watch the video that shows everything that led up to that moment before I make any final judgements.Here's a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4
WW2? Debatable. The concept of being noble is a strange one.
You've truly lost it here.
Both sides are indeed the same. American politics is ridiculous.
Both sides are racist in different ways. Both sides espouse violence in different ways.
Both sides contaminate the environment in different ways etc etc. It is your culture fighting among itself.
Where did i ever suggest I support Milo aka his views, I do support Free speech and non violent protest. I have very liberal views on such things..go figure.
If calm articulated, sometimes humorous, dialog about issues where you listen, learn , and get educated to dissenting points of view., then contemplate better counterpoints so you can come to a more well rounded nuanced opinion on things before you heard all sides ..ya whew ya got me that's a pretty flawed approach.... I should just get angry and throw some labels on people I don't like and claim moral superiority.
Well I'm a liberal by any American standard, Maybe a small C conservative by our Canadian Standards.. but I guess your bothered that actual rioters against a right wing speaker being called radical left .. I'd say their actions defined them I'm trying to categorize them differently from rational liberals I hardly thing that's unfair
3) The history of Nazi's and their rise to power
Umm I hate Nazi's?
5) how the right doesn't disavow or even care much about how their party is infiltrated by white supremacists
hmm I'm pretty sure most conservatives do disavow white supremacists...just like i'm sure most liberals disavow communists..i think both sides just don't take responsibility for these minor fringe elements.
Just cuz a nazi votes for trump that doesn't mean he supports nazi's or is a nazi no matter how many try to make that the narrative.
6) The right and it's obsession with the confederacy
hmm pretty ignorant on what your asking honestly i'm not sure how to answer that one.
For what its worth to me the way things are escalating I view the far left and the far right as literally mirror images of the same extreme undesirable ideologys. Both Are authoritarian and neither I would support.
On specific issues sometimes I support Socialist views , sometimes I support Liberal views, sometimes I support Conservative views..it all just depends. I don't subscribe to life long team membership.
What is the point of even spending the effort in the topic if one has no stake? If I have absolutely no stake in something, I will simply not comment on it.
Ill be back later. If I'm not I just want to tell you all that life is more than black and white.
We need to understand each other better. Everyone is wrong regardless of how strong your feelings are for your own arguments.
Not saying he's a Nazi, but..
lmao, whoa what did I miss!
Ill be back later. If I'm not I just want to tell you all that life is more than black and white.
We need to understand each other better. Everyone is wrong regardless of how strong your feelings are for your own arguments.
Did anyone say that in particular in this thread? No
It's the attitude that has been prevalent lately on this forum. The labeling of people that don't agree with you are the enemy. It's a little disheartening to see liberals come to this point and it's what pushed me away from my liberal friends. We use to think logically but now we are acting like the far right. I'm not comfortable with that.
Both sides are indeed the same. American politics is ridiculous.
Both sides are racist in different ways. Both sides espouse violence in different ways.
Both sides contaminate the environment in different ways etc etc. It is your culture fighting among itself.
Im not contrarian trolling. I just do not have a horse in this race.
??? What do you mean
I like Joe Rogan for entertainment value, but you don't listen enough if you haven't noticed how he's jumped off the deep end into full blown far right ideology. Not saying he's a Nazi, but if you agree on most points that the new-age clean cut neo-nazi's are making... then what are you?
Just from the episodes I listen to here and there, he's essentially revealed his opposition to most leftist concepts, and his support for most far right concepts.
Care to elaborate on what points new-age clean cut neo-nazi make that Rogan agrees with?
From the episodes I listen to my take away is that Joe is more a hippie. He wants the public nature parks protected, he wants decriminalization of drugs and generally hippie stuff like people should be able to do what they want as long as they dont hurt anyone.
I mean the dude does yoga and eats at vegan resturants
Both sides are the same... in different ways!Both sides are indeed the same. American politics is ridiculous.
Both sides are racist in different ways. Both sides espouse violence in different ways.
Both sides contaminate the environment in different ways etc etc. It is your culture fighting among itself.
Care to elaborate on what points new-age clean cut neo-nazi make that Rogan agrees with?
From the episodes I listen to my take away is that Joe is more a hippie. He wants the public nature parks protected, he wants decriminalization of drugs and generally hippie stuff like people should be able to do what they want as long as they dont hurt anyone.
I mean the dude does yoga and eats at vegan resturants
Rails against "SJW's" constantly
Doesn't believe in trans bathroom bill
Thinks white people have the same claim to racism as blacks and frequently belittles BLM
Thinks Hillary Clinton is a criminal that should be in jail
Despises any kind of gun legislation at all
Yeah, such a hippie.
What the hell is with this guy?
Both sides are indeed the same. American politics is ridiculous.
Both sides are racist in different ways. Both sides espouse violence in different ways.
Both sides contaminate the environment in different ways etc etc. It is your culture fighting among itself.
Everything is everything and nothing matters!
It's an Aristotelian argument.
Rails against "SJW's" constantly
Doesn't believe in trans bathroom bill
Thinks white people have the same claim to racism as blacks and frequently belittles BLM
Thinks Hillary Clinton is a criminal that should be in jail
Despises any kind of gun legislation at all
Yeah, such a hippie.
Meh. I've come around to these two. I can see why even average people could agree with these 2 statements and don't see why it would make them a clean cut alt right.Rails against "SJW's" constantly
Thinks Hillary Clinton is a criminal that should be in jail
Meh. I've come around to these two. I can see why even average people could agree with these 2 statements and don't see why it would make them a clean cut alt right.
Regarding the other things you mentioned, like trans bathrooms, yeah, I haven't heard those episodes personally but I believe you so you might be right there.
Regarding the gun legislation point, I heard an episode recently where I forget if it was Joe or his guest, who said that 'To a lot of conservatives hearing democrats talk about gun control is like republicans denying climate change. Most democrats don't understand how guns work and Obama himself couldn't tell a clip from a magazine (something like this I forget exactly). Hence, when democrats talk about gun control they say erroneous things which shuts down the conversation for the listener. An example was given where current gun owners have to undergo background checks each time they get ammunition'. He mentioned that if a democrat could understand gun ownership better and meet the conservative base halfway on that dems would do much better in red states.
I don't know much about guns myself but that sounds like a realistic scenario to me.
Meh. I've come around to these two. I can see why even average people could agree with these 2 statements and don't see why it would make them a clean cut alt right.
Regarding the other things you mentioned, like trans bathrooms, yeah, I haven't heard those episodes personally but I believe you so you might be right there.
Regarding the gun legislation point, I heard an episode recently where I forget if it was Joe or his guest, who said that 'To a lot of conservatives hearing democrats talk about gun control is like republicans denying climate change. Most democrats don't understand how guns work and Obama himself couldn't tell a clip from a magazine (something like this I forget exactly). Hence, when democrats talk about gun control they say erroneous things which shuts down the conversation for the listener. An example was given where current gun owners have to undergo background checks each time they get ammunition'. He mentioned that if a democrat could understand gun ownership better and meet the conservative base halfway on that dems would do much better in red states.
I don't know much about guns myself but that sounds like a realistic scenario to me.
Rails against "SJW's" constantly
Doesn't believe in trans bathroom bill
Thinks white people have the same claim to racism as blacks and frequently belittles BLM
Thinks Hillary Clinton is a criminal that should be in jail
Despises any kind of gun legislation at all
Yeah, such a hippie.
There's more too. He supplies a platform for many voices of the alt-right to get their message out to millions upon millions per month. He gets 90+ million hits per podcast!
Plus he tried to pretend for a while that he wasn't for Trump, but he's dropped hints for months and months.
I never said he was a Nazi, but he's literally given a platform to Nazi sympathizers. It's undeniable.
I still listen to the ones I find interesting, because it isn't ALWAYS political, but you either don't really listen or you're oblivious if you don't see how many of his views align with the alt-right
Many voices of the alt-right? Out of 911 podcasts how many would you say are alt righters?
I get Milo and Alex, who else is on the list?
And Im pretty sure if he voted, I dunno if he did but he would have voted for the libertarian guy he had one his podcast.
Again Im still unsure what views he has that aligns with the alt-right vs the many that are liberal
Oh come on...
Rails against SJW.. sorry but some rightfully deserved to be made fun of. HughMungus?
Or the Lion one... etc
He likes to make fun of people
When you say he belittles BLM or say he think white people have the same claim to racism. Do you feel he is being racist? And perhaps its a pragmatic view in that racism can happen to any race, or did he specifically call out white people?
Hilary Clinton... He doesnt like her and think the Clintons are corrupt. Is he wrong? Are you saying there is nothing shaddy with the Clintons?
Gun legislation.. He is pro-gun, he likes hunting. I havent listen to him say he despises all legislation so I could be wrong but I'd figure he would be for regulating on who can acquire firearms. Again this is just what I feel from listening to him
You basiclly made really vague and worthless excuses for his positions. You dont think that believing white people have it as bad as black people with racism is racist?
Clinton: so any evidence of this? Or is this a rehash of the election where people made more vague and bullshit statements with no real evidence? Email amirite?
So you believe in #AllLivesMatter?