Mister Megative
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July 2017 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes Tuesday, August 8th
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because it's a recent change. Use to be unit based for so long
The poster didn't say Splatoon 2 was #1 for the month overall. Crash could still be #1 by Units (or revenue) based on what was said.
OrbitalBeard
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What do you mean? The leak indicates Splatoon 2 is #1 on the chart, which means it's #1 in revenue. And even if they simply meant Splatoon 2 sold the most copies, that automatically means it also had the highest revenue, as it's a $60 product and Crash is $40.
More than 300k $60 units sold secure them 1st place. No doubt about it.
That's really bad actually...Well I can only make guess with these data... PS4 and Switch had close numbers in hardware and supposing the price of both are similar:
PS4 hardware: ~$91 million
Switch hardware: ~$91 million
* I believe PS4 revenue is bigger than Switch due the Pro being sold at $399 but I will stay with 50/50.
Now let's say software is 75/25 for PS4 using the 2299k/736k... I'm again supposing games have close prices between PS4 and Switch.
PS4 software: ~$137 million
Switch software: ~$46 million
In total...
PS4 ~$228 million
Switch ~$137 million
If we assume XB1 did ~$120 million (that is ignoring Vita, PS3, 360, PC, etc... that is indeed a small part):
- XB1 revenue is close to Switch revenue with a way bigger userbase.
- XB1 revenue is close to half PS4 revenue with similar userbase (the difference is around 10% only).
I don't think my assumptions shows anything "quite respectable" for MS... the opposite it is doing pretty bad in US.
Obliterator
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We don't know if Splatoon 2 outsold Crash or not. I'd lean towards it did but there is a $20 revenue gap there per copy sold or a 1/3rd disadvantage per unit in ranking for Crash.
I lean Splatoon number 1 in units but Crash could have beaten it
I lean Splatoon number 1 in units but Crash could have beaten it
ethomaz
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One example...
Splatoon 2 = 332k x $60 = 19.92m
Crash = 400k x $40 = 16.00m
In this case Crash is #1 by units while Splatoon 2 is #1 by revenue.
Crash can be < 498k units and Splatoon being #1 yet.
OrbitalBeard
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Oh yeah, I know. I'm saying that it appears Splatoon 2 is #1 in revenue, regardless of whether or not it was #1 in unit sales. I honestly wouldn't be all that surprised if Crash sold more copies.
I probably didn't word it very well in my previous post, so my apologies.
Obliterator
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We don't know but it seems possible / likely
Stilton Disco
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And if you're right that $120m is both their software and hardware revenue, yeah?
If so, fuck-a-duck that's shocking! And, again, because this is just nuts sounding to me, this is the majority of their worldwide sales we're talking about here most likely. It's insane!
I really hope the Xbox fans thinking the XOX will sell gangbusters purely on the back of it having the best looking versions of third party titles are right, because this can't be sustainable, and I'd much rather see MS get their shit together eventually than bow out completely any time soon.
ThatRandomCliff
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So when will the official NPD results for July be posted, or rather what date is it expected? Really interested in the top 10.
Welfare
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This Thursday at 6:30PM EST, and it's a top 20.
Thursday, 6:30 PM ET.
ThatRandomCliff
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Ah that's right, I forgot that it is now the top 20. And thanks.
I think it should be around 130K
Assuming $120million for XB1 eco system meaning Hardware must have contributed about 40 - 45% which is like 45 million and 75 million for software
I am not sure if accessories are included. But even considering them the figure should be above $30 million for XB1 console.. meaning above 100k (as XB1 is available for only $300 or less)
Stilton Disco
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It's impossible to tell, not knowing the HW/SW split.
We know the lowest seller of the top three pieces of HW was 104K, and, so that gives us a maximum, so it's about 30-35% at best, but it could easily be lower, especially given the comparatively higher proportional SW sales the XO sees compared to other platforms.
ShadowFox08
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I would think by the end of july the Switch sold 6 million worldwide since launch day on March 3rd. End of June was what.. 4.8 million?
Prototype Viktor
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man i didn't lower my PS4 and Switch numbers enough basically 20-30k over on both
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pro is a small portion of PS4 sales and you can usually get PS4 Amateur for under $299.99.
Like right now Best Buy has an Uncharted 4 PS4 bundle for $250.
Stilton Disco
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20% worldwide, according to Sony.
ethomaz
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Way better than I thought...
That is close to 40k ($16m revenue) this month if the ratio is similar in US.
I'd like to know too!
What news?
Renna Hazel
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Lucky's Tale is still on target for the holidays.
ethomaz
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Crackdown delayed to 2018.
Humdinger
Member
Ouch.
Goalus
Member
Forza is no big game?
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
When does NPD releases?
Forgot about Forza but the mainline series tend to perform worse than the Horizon sub-series which has recently supplanted it.
The leak said this is the top 3 for July
Hardware:
NSW: 222K
PS4: 217K (+34.7%)
3DS: 105K (-44.3%)
So unless they left XB1 out of the top 3 for some reason, it has to be less than 105k.
DriftingSpirit
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Tomorrow.
Chobel
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In NPD? It's not.
Humdinger
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I thought Forza did pretty well in the states?
The leak actually specified that this was the Top 3? I thought that was just our assumption.
MatPiscatella
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As always, I'll be around later today to chat the media release. If you have questions now post away, if not, there will be lots to discuss later today.
As to some of the stuff in the last few pages:
As to some of the stuff in the last few pages:
OrbitalBeard
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Looking forward to your insights tonight, as usual.
I hope you can shed some light on thisAs always, I'll be around later today to chat the media release. If you have questions now post away, if not, there will be lots to discuss later today.
As to some of the stuff in the last few pages:
Second question is: how the software attach rate of switch compares with software attach rate of other system at the same time in their life. Especially Do you see it much better then Wii?As always, I'll be around later today to chat the media release. If you have questions now post away, if not, there will be lots to discuss later today.
As to some of the stuff in the last few pages:
MatPiscatella
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Well, good place to start. I can't because the assumptions, calculations and inputs these last few pages tend to be... let's call them unreliable.
The media release will contain guidance, we can take it from there.
DriftingSpirit
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~1 hour.
Welfare
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https://venturebeat.com/2017/08/17/july-2017-npd-splatoon-2-paints-a-pretty-picture-for-nintendo/
Splatoon 2*
Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy
Grand Theft Auto V
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild*
Injustice 2
Mario Kart 8*
Overwatch**
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege
NBA 2K17
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered
Call of Duty: Black Ops III
Minecraft
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
MLB 17: The Show
ARMS*
Battlefield 1
Mass Effect: Andromeda
Tekken 7
”Nintendo's Splatoon 2 was the best-selling title of the month," said Piscatella. ”Three of the month's top seven best-selling games are published by Nintendo. Nintendo was also the best-selling software publisher in July."
Though Horizon Zero Dawn has slipped off the overall charts, Piscatella says that it contributed to a resurgence of role-playing games. Along with titles like Nier: Automata, Persona 5, Mass Effect: Andromeda, and Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue, the RPG year-to-date sales have grown over 50 percent year-over-year.
While accessories were down in June, the sector grew 9 percent in July. Gamepads likely drove this, since Interactive Game Toys are still down.
”Accessories for the Nintendo Switch and Microsoft's Xbox One drove spending growth. Gamepads were the top-selling accessory types for both platforms," said Piscatella. ”Declines in the Interactive Gaming Toys (IGT) segment lessened in July. The IGT segment was down only 15 percent in dollar sales compared to July 2016."
Splatoon 2*
Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy
Grand Theft Auto V
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild*
Injustice 2
Mario Kart 8*
Overwatch**
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege
NBA 2K17
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered
Call of Duty: Black Ops III
Minecraft
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
MLB 17: The Show
ARMS*
Battlefield 1
Mass Effect: Andromeda
Tekken 7
”Nintendo's Splatoon 2 was the best-selling title of the month," said Piscatella. ”Three of the month's top seven best-selling games are published by Nintendo. Nintendo was also the best-selling software publisher in July."
Though Horizon Zero Dawn has slipped off the overall charts, Piscatella says that it contributed to a resurgence of role-playing games. Along with titles like Nier: Automata, Persona 5, Mass Effect: Andromeda, and Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue, the RPG year-to-date sales have grown over 50 percent year-over-year.
While accessories were down in June, the sector grew 9 percent in July. Gamepads likely drove this, since Interactive Game Toys are still down.
”Accessories for the Nintendo Switch and Microsoft's Xbox One drove spending growth. Gamepads were the top-selling accessory types for both platforms," said Piscatella. ”Declines in the Interactive Gaming Toys (IGT) segment lessened in July. The IGT segment was down only 15 percent in dollar sales compared to July 2016."
Dark Cloud
Member
So good to see Zelda up there!
OfficerRaichu15
Member
ARMS held better than Tekken 7 wow.