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[slavesnyder]

'words and numbers and excel of wisdom'

Took me a while to understand that you started to count from zero on each year.
Astonishing how massively microsoft clawed back last winter, even if you know the price they paid for it.
After the beatings they might get from batman they will feel the itch to do the same again, and i don't know if they are confident enough to put it all on the shoulders of a faceless space marine, when at the same time there will be a COD and starwars in the favour of PS4.
This really is an uncomfortable situation for them.
Dropping the price seems inavitable.
If Sony wants to joke around a bit and cuts 100 bucks off, We will have an NPD thread that takes no prisoners.

edit: when I was a kid we played joust on the atari. So stop feeling old, you twens.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Snip

Do we know how much the gap currently is in the US between the two consoles?

I wanna know how much gap MS will need to close of this holiday season to tie with PS4. In the US of course.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Do we know how much the gap currently is in the US between the two consoles?

I wanna know how much gap MS will need to close of this holiday season to tie with PS4. In the US of course.

It is approximately ~700,000 difference between PS4 & XB1 LTD in the USA at the moment.

The gap between the PlayStation 4 and Wii U is almost 4 million units in the USA.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

It is approximately ~700,000 difference between PS4 & XB1 LTD in the USA at the moment.

The gap between the PlayStation 4 and Wii U is almost 4 million units in the USA.

Nice, so if we add a 100k difference for June with the Arkham bundle and 100k difference in September for Destiny bundle we already have the 900k gap from last year.

And we aren't even counting the differences for July & August.

This year MS has to beat a 1m gap or more.

Things will be interesting this holiday

 

[ZhugeEX]

This year MS has to beat a 1m gap or more.

Let's not get too ahead of ourselves haha! Anything can happen in the next 4 months.

But I agree, H2 will certainly be very interesting.

 

[Trust me. I'm a PhD]

Really? Wow! I thought I was in the younger end of the spectrum bieng in my thirties...you're all making me feel old.

I will help you feel young again! ...I have spent 22 years of my life just in school between all my academic pursuits. Only 9 of those years were spent doing just school and the rest being while I was working part time or otherwise. Stay in school, kids!^^

 

[Ricky_R]

You know this thread has run its course when it became an age thread.

Spoiler

I'm 34 btw.

 

[Welfare]

You know this thread has run its course when it became an age thread.

Spoiler

I'm 34 btw.

We've dealt with the Sales part of Sales-Age, now we're focusing on the Age part.

 

[The Artisan]

Not really every other thread I've seen someone always points out the 1% reference, mostly Zhuge's threads xD

i was referring to the avatar quote, not the 1%ers.

Which is a shame, I really wish gaf would think a little better of me

 

[CosmicQueso]

I really wish gaf would think a little better of me

Please don't make avatar quotes so easy then brother.

 

[Three]

i was referring to the avatar quote, not the 1%ers.

Which is a shame, I really wish gaf would think a little better of me

You're asking for another quote with that. For what it's worth I think you're cool, one of the many good posters here on gaf.

 

[Grimgrillz]

Nice, so if we add a 100k difference for June with the Arkham bundle and 100k difference in September for Destiny bundle we already have the 900k gap from last year.

And we aren't even counting the differences for July & August.

This year MS has to beat a 1m gap or more.

Things will be interesting this holiday

Call me crazy but I see a $250 base unit XBO on the horizon.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Are we expecting the MGSV PS4 bundle to push hardware in September the same way Destiny did last year?

 

[The Artisan]

Please don't make avatar quotes so easy then brother.

the avatar quotes don't really bother me dude.

You're asking for another quote with that. For what it's worth I think you're cool, one of the many good posters here on gaf.

thank you. I think gaf, for the most part, is great.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Are we expecting the MGSV PS4 bundle to push hardware in September the same way Destiny did last year?

Destiny has a bundle this September as well haha

 

[spatenfloot]

i was referring to the avatar quote, not the 1%ers.

Which is a shame, I really wish gaf would think a little better of me

My opinion of you has risen 1% since yesterday.

 

[Javin98]

Nice, so if we add a 100k difference for June with the Arkham bundle and 100k difference in September for Destiny bundle we already have the 900k gap from last year.

And we aren't even counting the differences for July & August.

This year MS has to beat a 1m gap or more.

Things will be interesting this holiday

September could have a gap of more than 100K because of the MGSV and Destiny bundles. Also, I'm expecting a price drop announced at Sony's TGS conference. Also, I get the feeling this holiday season will be very different to last year's. If Sony drops the price of the PS4 to $299 and has aggressive bundles, they may actually win the holiday season.

P.S. I'm glad we're back to talking about sales.

 

[Abdiel]

September could have a gap of more than 100K because of the MGSV and Destiny bundles. Also, I'm expecting a price drop announced at Sony's TGS conference. Also, I get the feeling this holiday season will be very different to last year's. If Sony drops the price of the PS4 to $299 and has aggressive bundles, they may actually win the holiday season.

P.S. I'm glad we're back to talking about sales.

I feel the more potent impact would be at their PGW conference. That coincides with the Halo release, and could cause a really powerful forward momentum into the holiday push.

 

[The Artisan]

My opinion of you has risen 1% since yesterday.

which basically means you don't like me.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Are we expecting the MGSV PS4 bundle to push hardware in September the same way Destiny did last year?

Worldwide yes, but the MGSV Bundle hasn't been announced for US so it won't be a major factor in September NPD if it doesn't come to NA.

Destiny has a bundle this September as well haha

I feel it won't match the original White bundle in sales but I'll give it a 100k gap though

September could have a gap of more than 100K because of the MGSV and Destiny bundles. Also, I'm expecting a price drop announced at Sony's TGS conference. Also, I get the feeling this holiday season will be very different to last year's. If Sony drops the price of the PS4 to $299 and has aggressive bundles, they may actually win the holiday season.

P.S. I'm glad we're back to talking about sales.

^I want to see this play out so much or... the opposite
Sony does nothing but MS can't close the gap (even with exclusives) that would really make neogaf melt.

 

[orochi91]

My opinion of you has risen 1% since yesterday.

which basically means you don't like me.

This series of exchange is breaking my heart D:

 

[Killerhertz]

Call me crazy but I see a $250 base unit XBO on the horizon.

You crazy

 

[Trust me. I'm a PhD]

Worldwide yes, but the MGSV Bundle hasn't been announced for US so it won't be a major factor in September NPD if it doesn't come to NA.



I feel it won't match the original White bundle in sales but I'll give it a 100k gap though



^I want to see this play out so much or... the opposite
Sony does nothing but MS can't close the gap (even with exclusives) that would really make neogaf melt.

Metal Gear will move PS4s; bundle or no bundle. If they make it their new "Batman" style pack in game for September I could see some more movement as well, but they will sell quite handsomely regardless.

 

[Abdiel]

which basically means you don't like me.

Hey Artisan,

Take this how you will, but I've seen you since that first thread where the 1% thing came about. You've never been malicious, mean-spirited, or arrogant. Naive at times, but at least you were honest about your reasoning and accepted when people corrected you.

I think it speaks very well of you that you have avoiding snapping at people or lashing out about the jokes. Props to you sir. Just keep learning!

 

[joecanada]

Call me crazy but I see a $250 base unit XBO on the horizon.

I'm still waiting for 199.... Black Friday 2016!

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Metal Gear will move PS4s; bundle or no bundle. If they make it their new "Batman" style pack in game for September I could see some more movement as well, but they will sell quite handsomely regardless.

Oh I know it will, I did say major though.

For me, no bundle = minor needle movement

 

[Javin98]

I feel the more potent impact would be at their PGW conference. That coincides with the Halo release, and could cause a really powerful forward momentum into the holiday push.

PGW would be too late IMO because it is on the same day as Halo 5 releasing. This would give the XB1 almost a full month to build up momentum and will almost certainly give October to Microsoft.

^I want to see this play out so much or... the opposite
Sony does nothing but MS can't close the gap (even with exclusives) that would really make neogaf melt.

LOL, meltdowns are always glorious.

 

[ZhugeEX]

PGW would be too late IMO because it is on the same day as Halo 5 releasing. This would give the XB1 almost a full month to build up momentum and will almost certainly give October to Microsoft.

1 month doesn't matter. Besides, that's not what Sony care about, they care about hitting their own sales targets, not about "winning" October NPD.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

September could have a gap of more than 100K because of the MGSV and Destiny bundles. Also, I'm expecting a price drop announced at Sony's TGS conference. Also, I get the feeling this holiday season will be very different to last year's. If Sony drops the price of the PS4 to $299 and has aggressive bundles, they may actually win the holiday season.

P.S. I'm glad we're back to talking about sales.

Sony is control of the PS4's destiny unless MS takes drastic measures again. The thing is that the PS4 doesn't necessarily need to win this holiday season. It just needs to not get beaten by a large margin.

I'm curious to see when Sony will make the pricecut. I can see them cutting the price in September to take advantage of the autumn uptick. However, I can also see them cutting the price during PGW to knock the wind out of Halo 5's sails.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Sony is control of the PS4's destiny

 

[Ricky_R]

I think we should stop teasing Artisan already. It has become tiresome and it's disrespectful.

Spoiler

There's a 1% chance the above isn't sarcasm.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Oh... ohhhh. Didn't realize I accidentally made a pun >_<

 

[Elandyll]

1 month doesn't matter. Besides, that's not what Sony care about, they care about hitting their own sales targets, not about "winning" October NPD.

A lot of sales ramp up in Sept and October though, which is why even though PGW makes sense, I wouldn't be surprised if the price drop happens via press release during Gamescom... Which is pretty much all they need (on top of showing their Euro centric releases and some High profile Japanese titles on the floor) to have a good GC even without a presser there.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Oh... ohhhh. Didn't realize I accidentally made a pun >_<

Some may say that pun was a coincidence, I say it was destiny....

Spoiler

Ok, I'll leave now.

A lot of sales ramp up in Sept and October though, which is why even though PGW makes sense, I wouldn't be surprised if the price drop happens via press release during Gamescom... Which is pretty much all they need (on top of showing their Euro centric releases and some High profile Japanese titles on the floor) to have a good GC even without a presser there.

Yup, agreed. But just saying that a price drop announcement is not always in retaliation to a move a competitor has/is making.

 

[Mister Megative]

A lot of sales ramp up in Sept and October though, which is why even though PGW makes sense, I wouldn't be surprised if the price drop happens via press release during Gamescom... Which is pretty much all they need (on top of showing their Euro centric releases and some High profile Japanese titles on the floor) to have a good GC even without a presser there.

If you were a betting man......299? Or a 350 bundle? Or.......BOTH?????

 

[Welfare]

$299 500GB

$349 1TB

That's what I think Sony should do.

 

[Trust me. I'm a PhD]

$299 500GB

$349 1TB

That's what I think it should be.

PS4 or Xbox1? I could see both, potentially, with one pack in game and adding a second for Black Friday. Time will tell.

 

[crinale]

If yen isn't weak then I could definitely say Sony would dare to cut the price (heck they did reduce the BOM it seems, by introducing CUH-1200). By looking at today's currency situation I'm not so sure about that though..

 

[Welfare]

PS4 or Xbox1? I could see both, potentially, with one pack in game and adding a second for Black Friday. Time will tell.

PS4, as that was what the topic was on. Will clarify.

 

[Bgamer90]

I'm solely talking about U.S. sales seeing as how this is an NPD prediction thread. Maybe I missed that the discussion was on worlwide sales, then?

Yep, am purely talking U.S. sales here.

I see then. Either way, I believe that Halo 5 will have a slightly bigger launch than Halo 3 but won't do as well as Halo 3 overall. I feel that the number of "hardcore xbox fans" that own an Xbox One is closer to 100% of the system's userbase in comparison to the percentage of "hardcore xbox fans" that owned an Xbox 360 back in 2007 (basically, if you have an Xbox One then chances are you got it due to its exclusives).

I don't feel that Halo 5 will do as well as Halo 3 overall though due to the Xbox One's position (in comparison to the 360's last gen) and Halo 6 sounding like a 2017 game; The next mainline Halo game after Halo 3 released three years after it (Reach in 2010).

Halo 3 was at 8 million in January 2008 and I believe that the sales of the Xbox 360 then were around 18 million. If true, then about 45% of Xbox 360 owners had the game (which is a bit more than I thought).

I really think we will see a higher percentage for Xbox One owners that own Halo 5 in January 2016. Just my opinion though.

 

[Welfare]

I don't feel that Halo 5 will do as well as Halo 3 overall though due to the Xbox One's position (in comparison to the 360's last gen) and Halo 6 sounding like a 2017 game; The next mainline Halo game after Halo 3 released three years after it (Reach in 2010).

Mainline Halo titles after CE have always been on a 3 year dev cycle. Halo 6 will be a 2018 title.

 

[QaaQer]

I think h5 will be the biggest selling halo as it will be part of the 'fewer titles, but the ones left sell more' trend. I also predict that the number one podcast in 2016 will be "go bayside" as it closes in on the last saved by the bell episode, number 89.

 

[Elandyll]

If you were a betting man......299? Or a 350 bundle? Or.......BOTH?????

If I was a betting man, I'd say announce of the price drop to $299 at Gamescom for the base 500gb PS4, $349 MGSV bundle and Battlefront bundle, possible COD bundle (1Tb?) at $349 around BF.

Yup, agreed. But just saying that a price drop announcement is not always in retaliation to a move a competitor has/is making.

Oh definitely. If (when) the price drop happens it will be about expanding the userbase and meeting forecasts, not about winning the NPD

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

You know this thread has run its course when it became an age thread.

Spoiler

I'm 34 btw.

Sales/age

Seems inevitable.

which basically means you don't like me.

Come on now, you're a difficult person to hate; you're never malicious, you never get wound up no matter how much shit you get from us. Be kinder to yourself, mang.

 

[Welfare]

It's NPD day in the superior East Coast.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

It's NPD day in the superior East Coast.

lol, meanwhile we trying to sleep in the west.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

It's NPD day in the superior East Coast.

On the even more superior North East coast of England we've been there for seven hours already.

 

[red720]

On the even more superior North East coast of England we've been there for seven hours already.

Pfffft

 

[Welfare]

I don't even know what the fuck I wrote. Good night!

 

[Goodacre0081]

Nice, so if we add a 100k difference for June with the Arkham bundle and 100k difference in September for Destiny bundle we already have the 900k gap from last year.

And we aren't even counting the differences for July & August.

This year MS has to beat a 1m gap or more.

Things will be interesting this holiday

was 900k the largest gap so far in NA?