Crumpet Trumpet
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No way. The controls are probably the most exciting thing about the game. Then the orchestrated soundtrack, then the ~fancy shmancy~ overworld.gillFTR said:
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Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword E3 trailer
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decoyplatypus
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I'm not going to defend the mechanics of the Tri-forks quest, but I will say it is curious that often the same people demanding a less linear Zelda criticize the Tri-forks for artificially padding the length of the game. Non-linear portions of a story-driven game's main quest are almost inevitably going to feel like shapeless interruptions. People still manage to complain about the World of Ruin in FF6 even when the mechanics of that non-linear quest were exactly the same as the rest of the game (and frankly, the dungeons were MORE interesting). The developers could avoid the problem by designing the story and gameplay around non-linear exploration. See the original LoZ - or Demon's Souls for a more recent example. Neither of those games has significant puzzle elements or much of a story. It's a really, really tricky thing to manage. That doesn't mean Nintendo shouldn't try, but I would have thought there would be more people pleased at the half-measure in Wind Waker.
Anasui Kishibe
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I was thinking of replaying TP because I've never finished it, the immensely boring overworld killed me. I think I'll just search for my old Zelda themed GBA SP and replay Ages/Seasons
Anasui Kishibe
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BY2K said:
I'm happy but that comment about Mario concerns me
DeathbyVolcano
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Cygnus X-1 said:
The things you complain about, I enjoyed, other than the rupee bullshit. If you were upset about the midi instruments used, please go back and listen to some of Wind Waker's compositions. Perhaps they are technically more impressive and melodic, but the instruments are far worse.
Bitchers gotta bitch
BY2K said:
OOOH OOOOOHHHHH MYYYY GOODDDDD
The "Song of Storms" made a reappearance in Brawl, so it's got to be on somebody's mind over at Nintendo.
If that song makes it into Skyward Sword in an all orchestrated glory. I will fucking cry, I'm not even kidding. Nostalgia will overload me and I will cry.
decoyplatypus
Member
Big One said:
Have you played Demon's Souls? After 1-1 you can do the stages in nearly any order you like. If you're talking about the stages themselves being linear, sure, but that's like saying the original LoZ was linear because there was ultimately one path through its dungeons.
That does, in the very most, mean it's linear. But I also have to question your judgement on LoZ, cause the later dungeons and the second quest dungeons are much more nonlinear in design. Being able to pick out what dungeon or challenge you face doesn't make something nonlinear, but being able to explore and go anywhere at any time does. Picking out a dungeon in any order is just another way to give you the illusion that something is nonlinear if the dungeons themselves are very linear in design.decoyplatypus said:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
"Very" non-linear?Big One said:
http://ian-albert.com/games/legend_of_zelda_maps/zelda-dungeon6.png
I mean, if you trace the actual paths mostly what you have is one correct path through and a few short branches with goodies at the end:
http://ian-albert.com/games/legend_of_zelda_maps/zelda-dungeon8.png
decoyplatypus
Member
Big One said:
That's ridiculous. Demon's Souls practically begs you to jump into different stages and find weapons to help you tackle "earlier" areas. There is no pre-set "line" through Demon's Souls, and most players zig zag through the stages, doubling back when they have the levels/tools they need. By your definition, only open-world games are "non-linear."
I'll admit, it's been a few years since I played LoZ, but I don't remember there being notably "non-linear" dungeons. You might have a few different paths to the boss or options based on the items at your disposal, but that is not so different from Demon's Souls, where you can skip sections by skillful rolling and your approach to crossing the bridge in 2-2 might change depending on if you've been to 4-1.
Meh you're right. Dungeons in the original LoZ were pretty bad. Arguably however I felt some dungeons, like Turtle Rock in Link's Awakening, was very nonlinear in design, even though you had a common goal.The_Technomancer said:
This is all true but those aspects don't really make a game nonlinear. That's like saying Phantasy Star Online isn't linear cause you can go back to stages and collect different items. Oh and you can choose which area you go to also, such a streak of amazing nonlinear design!decoyplatypus said:
The only balance in making a nonlinear game is really have every aspect of the game being completely choice-based. This doesn't mean all games should get text branches like you see in WRPG games. I think the open sea overworld in Wind Waker is far more nonlinear than getting to choose what stage you go into in Demon's Souls. That fact that when you get a boat, you can explore any island in the entire sea, is true nonlinear design.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
OH MY GOD. This makes me hyped for the music even more. I liked the "experimentation" that The Wind Waker's soundtrack did to make it fit better with the game's environment, so I'm curious to hear how the the soundscape and environment link together in Skyward Sword.mdtauk said:
I agree with this-- Ilia was terrible. My least favourite Zelda damsel in distress.AlphaDragoon said:
IceDoesntHelp
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I for one love the music from Twilight Princess, even if it is just midi.Cygnus X-1 said:
decoyplatypus
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Big One said:
As I recall, PSO single-player did in fact force you to complete the stages in order. That was linear. The online experience was geared around power-leveling and loot whoring. That was less linear.
Big One said:
I don't follow the first sentence. However, I'm inclined to agree that Wind Waker is a less linear game than Demon's Souls, but I don't want to ignore the possibility that the difference is partially cosmetic. Is sailing to any island and exploring its contents for treasure (once the King of Red Lions stops telling you that you can't go outside a prescribed path) really so different from selecting any stage and exploring its contents for new items or sidequests? You're right: the physical freedom to actually sail in any direction is a big deal. It makes some difference when you really don't know what's over the next horizon, but you can investigate without aid of a menu. I'm just not sure that's the only way of producing the virtues of non-linear design.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Actually, after thinking about it a little more, I think my ultimate disappointment was that Ilia wasn't Malon. I was expecting Malon to be in TP in some fashion, just because of the ranch hand segment.Gravijah said:
EmCeeGramr
Member
Hi I'm a boring girl that the game spends an inordinate amount of time building up.
Oh okay I remember you now here's an item that would have been helpful like 20 hours ago, that's it for my character arc.
Oh okay I remember you now here's an item that would have been helpful like 20 hours ago, that's it for my character arc.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
BY2K said:
Never played Wind Waker
I was gonna get it Amazon, but TP was cheaper. I'll probably get it once I beat Skyward Sword
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Can they just release this game already. I don't wanna wait any longer.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
_Alkaline_ said:
Lake Hylia wasn't all that memorable to me, and I beat the game 3 days ago -_-
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Kard8p3 said:
The Goron dungeon was magical. When it comes to dungeon design, absolutely nothing beats Zelda.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
The Skyward Sword main theme, dude.Dmax3901 said:
What a poor attempt at writing a love interest... well, at least one scene involving her and Link was interesting.EmCeeGramr said:
Thunder Monkey
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Ahhh love.EmCeeGramr said:
Crumpet Trumpet
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*swoon*Dark Schala said:
i bet this soundtrack will be the best zelda soundtrack OF ALL TIME
That IGN preview is so terrible, especially when compared to the floor demo impressions of other staffers of the site that... y'know, actually played the game properly.
All this Twilight Princess talk is gonna make me boot that up in Dolphin right after I finish OoT 3d.
All this Twilight Princess talk is gonna make me boot that up in Dolphin right after I finish OoT 3d.
I found this in the Latest Iwata Asks:
I find this reassuring because just last week there was a quote about only "some" of the music being orchestrated whereas this quote already suggests more orchestrated music than the galaxy games.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/zelda-ocarina-of-time/4/6
I find this reassuring because just last week there was a quote about only "some" of the music being orchestrated whereas this quote already suggests more orchestrated music than the galaxy games.
AlphaDragoon
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Dark Schala said:
This was literally the only good reason to have Ilia in the game. So that scene could happen. They should have put in Saria rather than that reject, for real.
Also on picking older songs and orchestrating them, I hope the choices are more interesting than the usual and not just songs from OoT. Zelda's Lullaby is a must, understandably, but there's a tons of sources they could take from. Just imagine entering a dungeon and a remix of the Great Temple theme from Zelda II is the main song for it. Something like that would be unexpected and epic.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Well yeah, they slowly lost every person who actually cared about Nintendo enough to give intelligent coverage or think critically about their games. Casssamavania's departure was the beginning of the end.PounchEnvy said:
_Alkaline_
Member
Sometimes I feel like back in 2006 I was stuck in a vortex where Twilight Princess was an awesome game.
It was a pretty cool vortex.
It was a pretty cool vortex.