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Major Nelson: Can play used games on different Xbox w/o fee but in your profile only
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Pyramid head
Banned
I'm not shocked at all; this thing isn't easy to spin.
"At Microsoft, we're thankful to our loyal customers. Really, we are. But it seems to us that there is revenue out there which is currently being withheld, not through the fault of our loyal customers, but through the fault of our old business model. We know our customers want to give us more money and now, with Xbox One, we're going to allow them to do just that."
shinra-bansho
Member
Thanks.
So it differs in quite a significant manner from how PSN accounts and digital purchases work.
That's kind of bad for people with multiple systems, but at the least on a single family console for example a game will be able to be played by multiple users accounts.
hooijdonk17
Member
Any DLC any player has will be available to the other granted they are both signed on to XBL. For offline play, it's complicated and I don't have time to explain. Read my previous posts and deduct.
Isn't there a loophole?
If any user can play a game that was activated on that console; and if you can play the game activated on a specific user on every console, then isn't the following situation possible:
You buy a retail Xbox One and go to your friend's house. You use his console and sign-in with your profile. You activate the game you bought. Now, your friend is able to play that game on his console with any profile. When you get back home, you can also play the retail game you bought because it's tied to your profile (which you used to activate the game on your friend's console).
If any user can play a game that was activated on that console; and if you can play the game activated on a specific user on every console, then isn't the following situation possible:
You buy a retail Xbox One and go to your friend's house. You use his console and sign-in with your profile. You activate the game you bought. Now, your friend is able to play that game on his console with any profile. When you get back home, you can also play the retail game you bought because it's tied to your profile (which you used to activate the game on your friend's console).
Maybe you have to be the main account on that console.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The daily internet connection probably detects this and deactivates it off the original console. That's the reason for the daily check.
Do people actually think Microsoft hasn't thought about this possibility?
on 360 you need to resync the account on the console you use it.
So it gets deactivated if you use it on another machine.
The tell tale signs of pressure.
hooijdonk17
Member
This is done all the time for XBOX DLC and is the only way to share DLC. It doesn't get you banned, they can't prove who is sharing what with whom or how. It happens. It's NOT very convenient though, because you have to keep your account on someone else's system, which is not secure. At all.
symphonask
Member
I do this all the time with my brother on the 360 with XBLA games.
Not sure if it works with Games on Demand, though.
KnockOneOff
Banned
Well I'm still as confused since yesterday, can we buy and sell games as normal? Can we buy a preowned game as normal?
Not a hard question to answer is it!?
Not a hard question to answer is it!?
hooijdonk17
Member
It's complicated. Too complicated for the average consumer, even.
This shit will get ugly.
Boy Wander
Member
Xbox One definitely isn;t for me. I'm a divorced Dad and me and my kid tend to share/swap the games that we buy. I can only imagine my ex-wifes face when he tells her that Daddy has to be there for him to play games 
. Seriously though, there must be a ton of two home families for which this will be a deal breaker.
Also, does this mean that stores will still be able to sell used games, but the price you pay will inevitably go up because you will pay in store, and then pay an additional fee (which I bet Microsoft has promised publishers a 50/50 split on) to activate and play the game?
Edit:In response to the above, I agree. Mums/Dads get fucking confused as it is. Imagine a guy in store trying to explain to them how this shit works. I doubt many game store employees will even fully understand it. And if they don't explain it properly, cue a shit ton of angry parents descending on their doorsteps...
. Seriously though, there must be a ton of two home families for which this will be a deal breaker.Also, does this mean that stores will still be able to sell used games, but the price you pay will inevitably go up because you will pay in store, and then pay an additional fee (which I bet Microsoft has promised publishers a 50/50 split on) to activate and play the game?
Edit:In response to the above, I agree. Mums/Dads get fucking confused as it is. Imagine a guy in store trying to explain to them how this shit works. I doubt many game store employees will even fully understand it. And if they don't explain it properly, cue a shit ton of angry parents descending on their doorsteps...
It's more of an ultimatum.
The only way to sell second hand games on Xbox One is to cooperate with MS and engage with their system of codes or whatever they're doing.
This will give Gamestop et al some cut of second hand sales, but probably not what they're used to.
So it's a choice of something or nothing. Or taking a stand and ignoring the system. Sounds like they are taking 'something', since Gamestop has commented about this and GAME has opened preorders I believe.
Bacon_Boss
Member
Wondering how this works for multi account households.
Giant Panda
Member
It sounds like all these borrowing fees, online activation, etc could've been avoided if MS had required the game disc to remain within the Blu-ray drive while the games being played off the hard drive.
It really seems like all these policies are just to prevent people from installing the game to their hard drive and passing it along to all their friends, which is a legitimate concern for the industry.
It really seems like all these policies are just to prevent people from installing the game to their hard drive and passing it along to all their friends, which is a legitimate concern for the industry.
I assume it's like XBLA is now. When you purchase a game it is locked to the console and the account that purchased it. So any account can play the game on the console it was purchased on. And the account that bought it can play it on any console once they are connected to Live.
gutter_trash
Banned
Just like when you sign in on MSN on a different computer. Logs you out of the other machine.
Imagine if a family member turns on your Xbone at home then you get logged out at your friend's house
TheIconizer
Neo Member
Still it forces things that shouldn't be forced. Everyone will wait to price drops probably when it comes to games other than the big ones. I really feel that they reduce control over the Xbox and it's not really my console.
Their loss, as we are seeing in sales.
You can always give your friend your account info and let them play....
WrenchNinja
Member
What sales?
Except then you cant play online if you do that since theyll have to always be online in your account to play the game.
Right.
On the other hand, even if SONY has a similar system in terms of used games -didn't they say you could basically try ANY game via the PSN before buying it? I imagine they are going to have their very own form of renting games (pay for X amount of time, stream while playing and play instantly with the option to buy).
They said that; let's see it in action.
RPGCrazied
Member
Its plastered all over gamestop.com, I'm pretty sure they are okay with it.
That is what it sounds like to me. They want to be able to tout that you can switch from one game to another without changing discs, but the only way this could work is by locking the games to your account. If they allowed you to unlock the games from your account and transfer ownership to someone else WITHOUT paying Microsoft, this wouldn't be bad at all. But since they control the whole process you can't sell your games without going through them. If Microsoft or a partner (GameStop?) says they will only give you $10 credit for your new game that you don't want to keep you have no other alternative.
Got the Shakes
Member
In the grand scheme of things, I don't think this will end up effecting me much but that doesn't take away from the fact that I think it's a terrible decision.
Knux-Future
Banned
EA probably dropped/lower wii U support for other reasons.
such as it not selling at all.
such as it not selling at all.
sketchsanchez
Member
One of the worst things about this is you just know they wont explain any of this during the e3 presentation. Just after, at a bunch of different sites again leading to more confusion and mixed msgs.
They'd rather you found about this shit after you've already bought it and yeah i get thats how these companies operate but it still makes my blood boil.
They'd rather you found about this shit after you've already bought it and yeah i get thats how these companies operate but it still makes my blood boil.
Open Source
Banned
It looks to me like the roles of physical media be:
1. saves bandwidth on installation
2. acts as a glorified, infinite coupon for the game
1. saves bandwidth on installation
2. acts as a glorified, infinite coupon for the game
WrenchNinja
Member
Really? I suppose Ive been a criminal since the age of 4.
BishopLamont
Banned
I wouldn't support the xbone if I was GAME or Gamestop. PS4 will serve the same market anyway so there's nothing to lose there. Don't let MS (and a host of third parties I'm sure) bully you like this.
Omegasquash
Member
It's nice to loan a buddy a game every now and then. From what I'm seeing, there's a way to do it that isn't really convenient.
So, that kinda stinks. It's not the worst thing that can happen, but it's just getting in the way of having fun.
So, that kinda stinks. It's not the worst thing that can happen, but it's just getting in the way of having fun.
Open Source
Banned
What would be cool is an Auction House where Microsoft takes a set amount from each transaction (the equivalent of their royalty on a new copy), and the publisher also charges a fee that they can set at will (much like Gamestop charges a markup from what they pay for a used game and what they sell it for). Once you sell your game, you lose access to it, the other person gets a digital copy, and your disc is now a pretty AOL coaster. And the seller gets store credit, not $.
Microsoft should hire you; that is a great idea.
I never liked the idea of giving my login info for game sharing this gen. Doing it next gen with this system in place and your retail games tied to your profile would be a clusterfuck waiting to happen.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Putting my profile on my friends console when taking games over I have no issue with. I do this now so I can play my Live Arcade games at my friends house, and he can use my profile to watch TV via my Sky Subscription. As for used games, I don't tend to buy many but I'll wait and see what their "service" is before burning a Microsoft effigy. Wired and Engadget had similar articles about the PS4 after their conference, with vague answers that dodge the question. Sony were just fortunate to not have silly people like Phil Harrison making conflicting and damaging claims when nothing should have been said yet.