That is the implication based on the sober lineIs JJ the private investigator Joy hired?
That is the implication based on the sober lineIs JJ the private investigator Joy hired?
So was how bad it is overblown? Is it better than most thought?
Up till Episode 6 the show has been better than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Does the last half of the show make it worse?It's pretty much mediocre it's watchable but overall the weakest of the shows.
See i don't even agree with that it has the weakest start of any of the shows. The second gets for me slightly better for a while then shits itself at the end. Second half is still weak to meUp till Episode 6 the show has been better than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Does the last half of the show make it worse?
Up till Episode 6 the show has been better than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Does the last half of the show make it worse?
Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are good shows, where one has pacing problems and some clumsiness, and where the other shits the bed in the second half. I'm kind of comparing what I've seen of Iron Fist so far with their entire seasons. I think Iron Fist has been better paced and it hasn't gone off the rails yet. Iron Fist is enjoyable and easily digestible where as the other two shows could be a drag and hard to get through.I can't even fathom holding this opinion. Say what you want about JJ or Luke Cage, but by episode 6 THINGS HAD HAPPENED. More things happened in the first 2 episodes of JJ than happen in the entire series of IF. Purple Man alone justified that series more than all of IF combined.
I don't get why a show needs to be great for a second season. Look at Arrow, that show is not great at all other than season 2 and continues to get new seasons.
My biggest issue with the show- besides how boring it was- was the relationship between Danny and his girl (don't want to spoil)
It was basically a "Hey, you're cute and fight." "hey, yeah you too." "so we're together now?" "duh"
I really liked Colleen's character. She felt more fleshed out than Danny Rand. Ward was a good character too.
Really stupid overall plot though. Danny is a naive shitlord.
There is something that bothers me about all the marvel shows on netflix and its not even story related. What the fuck is with the fake added grain they put on all off the shows?! Am I the only one that sees this? Look at any skin tone and its like a thousand ants running about. The noise in the picture is just way ot and I cant help but see it. Its can be 4k hdr all it likes but to me it just ruins the picture
It didn't look it on my TV, but it's also 4AM here and my eyes are watery af from allergy medicine, so maybe I didn't notice. I'll pay more attention next time I see it.
Ward looks 50 (and a ringer for Bill Maher)
Up till Episode 6 the show has been better than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Does the last half of the show make it worse?
After an interesting villain like Cottonmouth he was a real let down.How do people hate Diamondback? How
This show was a huge disappointment. Fraction's Immortal Iron Fist is one of my favourite series ever and to see the hotly anticipated show turn out like this... I'm miserable.
Nobody is charming or interesting, except Colleen and of course Claire. I do like how Ward turned out in the second half, but Joy and Howard were wastes of spaces. Worst of all Danny is completely miscast and uninteresting.
And who the hell cares about Rand company!
Bring back Jessica Jones.
Having finished the series, I honestly think Buck is getting more blame for this than he deserves.
I don't doubt that he's a hack, and I'm certainly not optimistic about Inhumans. But a gritty, grounded, street-level Iron Fist series was always a bad idea, and while I can certainly envision a better version of the show he set out to make, I don't think I can envision a good one.
Colleen is easily the best part of the show.
The hell is up with this drunk guy's accent?
Sounds like a Disney Pirate.
Are there any gratuitous sex scenes like in all the other Defenders shows?
After an interesting villain like Cottonmouth he was a real let down.
Luke Cage had bad fight choreography that took you out the show, this does not. (Imo of course)
What is with all the "miserable fights" "horrible fight scenes" "omg the fights were so bad" comments through out the thread?
Maybe I'm just not seeing it? Could they be better? Possibly? I don't know, they don't give me pause though and make me be like "wow that fight could have been better"
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most people who watch this aren't going to sit there and say "wow the fighting is not on par"
Luke Cage had bad fight choreography that took you out the show, this does not. (Imo of course)
You're talking about things the average Netflix viewer does not notice or care about though.Iron Fist's fights are just forgettable. They utterly lack impact, visually and audibly. They fucked up a hallway fight vs a bunch a triad-wielding mooks, man.
See, here's the thing. I think you could've had a series that's a) street level b) grounded and c) somewhat gritty without the massive issues that're weighing this thing down. With the other three Defenders series setting the benchmark tone, they could've done something a little lighter with this one while still keeping it grounded. The problems here (wildly inconsistent characterization, miserable fights) aren't structural.
Colleen would've made a much much much better protag than Danny.
Much much much much much much much much better.
Not noticing something doesnt mean the flaws arent there.You're talking about things the average Netflix viewer does not notice or care about though.
Hell I don't even notice what you're talking about after pointing it out.
Iron Fist's fights are just forgettable. They utterly lack impact, visually and audibly. They fucked up a hallway fight vs a bunch a triad-wielding mooks, man.
See, I think those issues are symptomatic of a general lack of creative vision for the material.
As I said, I'm sure they could have done a better job even with their shitty idea of an Iron Fist show that's more interested in drug dealers and corporate boardroom drama than supernatural kung fu battles, but I don't think Marvel would have had to settle for Buck if they hadn't saddled the show with such a stupid tonal remit.
The corporate boardroom drama is absolutely dead weight, no argument there. Reversing that whole dynamic (Rand needs Danny back for something but he keep sneaking out to do kung-fu shit) would've been way more entertaining.
But again, I don't think that's a requirement of a "grounded" Iron Fist show. You could have absolutely merged the "street crime" focus with the "mystical kung fu" objective. Hell, the Hand are a gang of mystical kung-fu drug dealers. They could've easily done something with that. Have each episode revolve around Danny finding and fighting a single Hand underboss or something. Things escalate over the course of the season, they figure out what's happening towards the end and things come to a head. Boom.
I haven't watched the show yet as I've been busy but he's giving his opinion. Not the average Netflix viewer.You're talking about things the average Netflix viewer does not notice or care about though.
Hell I don't even notice what you're talking about after pointing it out.
While were on that, why isDavos working for the hand now? WHY?!?!?!?! He has np reason to sympathize with them or listen to him, how did he go back to Ku'n Lun realize the place is fucked, fly back to new york and get on Madame Gao's side in such a short time. Hell, how does Madame Goa no he exists? I know she's immortal or some shit, but she never met him, never saw him and no one she knows would have told her about him. What the hell is going on in that scene?
It's not green most of the time. It shifts from a dark teal + gray background to essentially an extremely short shot of the city in the background that goes from the previous colors to a dark green and then back to dark teal + gray.
LOL. He was 35 when they filmed this, playing a 30 year old, but I said he looked closer to his mid 40s. 50 though? He just looked super strung out to me.
Anyway, this is still the best martial arts action from the US in a while. Unless Matrix/Hero fu from Into the Badlands counts. Daredevil is good and all, but this is the kind of shit we should have seen in Iron Fist.
And someone earlier in the thread said something about not hiring a B list actor for this kind of show...
Yeah but see here's the thing, Danny isn't even accepting of being the iron fist half the time in the show, yes he is the iron fist but it seems like a burden to him. I don't even see him as being at his max potential, so to have the fights looking like that (imo of course) would be unrealistic. Danny is the worst iron fist in the history of iron fist, he is not even deserving of that choreography. To me it's no different than the dare devil and Elektra vs the hand fights. He was never going to be that good.Not noticing something doesnt mean the flaws arent there.
At the very least, the fights in an Iron Fist show should have been comparable to Into The Badlands
What is with all the "miserable fights" "horrible fight scenes" "omg the fights were so bad" comments through out the thread?
Maybe I'm just not seeing it? Could they be better? Possibly? I don't know, they don't give me pause though and make me be like "wow that fight could have been better"
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most people who watch this aren't going to sit there and say "wow the fighting is not on par"
Luke Cage had bad fight choreography that took you out the show, this does not. (Imo of course)