Elder Legend
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She looks like a drug heroine addict off the streets of New York. Why did they make her so ugly looking? The actress looks way better than this.
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Massive FTC Leak: Mid Gen Xbox Hardware, Series S/X Refreshes, New Controller, and Game Plans!
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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This is largely disappointing. Fuck off with this all digital future.
So a downgraded series X, 2 remasters of games that are probably better with mods on PC than these remasters will ever be, and they wanted to buy nintendo to screw them up.
The best thing in this leak is the new controller, and it still doesn't sound on par with the DualSense.
So a downgraded series X, 2 remasters of games that are probably better with mods on PC than these remasters will ever be, and they wanted to buy nintendo to screw them up.
The best thing in this leak is the new controller, and it still doesn't sound on par with the DualSense.
Elder Legend
Banned
No offense, but what were you honestly expecting going into the future of gaming or the world as a whole? The writing was on the wall. PC have been digital only for like 2 decades now and no one complains, how is this any different ? Sony is going to be going digital only as well going into mext gen, whether you like it or not it's inevitable.
I don't think many would be against digital if there were more consumer rights, like there is on PC. Steam and GoG allow you far more flexibility with your digital games than any of the major 3 console ecosystems at the moment. There is no hint of that changing any time soon either.
Hell, GoG *should* be the standard with how digital games and digital rights is managed. No DRM, no always online.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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or we could get a new medium like has been proven throughout history time and time again.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
There will only be a digital pro with an disk drive you can buy after, I think.
Elder Legend
Banned
I get what you are saying and agree to a certain extent. But I think the issue for most is that because they can't buy physical games anymore and they can't rely on reselling them ones they've done with the game. Most people just want to take advantage of the companies for the sake of their own benefit. The companies want to take advantage of the consumer. It goes both ways.
I used to be a big physical game collector but I've stopped since 2019. Too much clutter and not worth it anymore.
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I still collect physical and find it to be well worth the effort, especially given how I can usually sell games for 2-4x its original price. Heck, an old Pokemon SIlver CIB I had picked up 15 years ago sold for 500 recently.
If we do move into an all digital future, we need to fight more more rights. The ability to sell our digital games, or trade them. The ability to have them backed up and playable without an always on internet connection. We can't have a company decide when, where, and how we can play our games for their own benefit. Right now for consoles, digital is just an extended rental and nothing more.
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Iced Arcade
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What? No no. Just leaked details and things exposed.
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dem
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The guys in charge of controllers and hardware design are definitely also responsible for building games.
definitely.
asdasdasdbb
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Gamers have pretty much shown as a whole they don't care about much of that. And it's only going to get tougher and tougher to say that always online is that onerous.
MS especially is all about Gamepass.
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Fredrik
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Have fun with that, if you can. Sony’s delay strategy is terrible for everyone except console-only gamers. Skipping Playstation usually means waiting years to play the biggest games, TLOUP2 is still not out on PC for example, and waiting means you’ll need to get used to have the story spoiled from millions playing and talking about the game, and bad ports can still happen so forget thinking you’ll always get the definitive edition.
saintjules
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systemr123
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Except for the extra space, the new features you mention will never be used by any dev, because everything needs to be on par with the old x and s versions.
They should wait with a gyro controller and faster ssd stuff if it really is faster until a next gen console so you can actually use the new stuff as a dev. It is 100% useless as it is as of now.
twilo99
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Of course, I’m just surprised that they are able to get as much as 15% less power draw from that, but I guess we will see when they launch.
twilo99
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Do you have a CD-ROM on your PC? I don’t remember the last time I saw one of those. PC moved to digital a long time ago.
Elder Legend
Banned
More rights as in what? Returning the game if you've played it under 2 hours? Okay fine, ill give you that. Trade games digitally? You can already do that though the PS and Xbox family sharing/master system stuff, so not sure what you mean.
However, I will never understand this "extended rental" argument. I don't know how old you are but I am in my 30s. I can assure you that after I beat the game and get all the achievements or something I won't be coming back to it. Why would I want to play an ancient game when I am in my 70s? Would it be nice to get rid of it and get some cash back? Yeah of course, but It wouldn't make sense for a game that is tied to a digital server to be sold in the first place because it's rendered unplayable and no one would ever buy it.
Selling Diablo 4 will never make any sense you need to be online to play it anyways. It's tied to an online server and that server may or may not be shut off within the next 10 years. Yes you can sell it now on eBay or to gamestop but it won't do much. Oh look, you are $10 less poorer now? Give me a break.
Also, for majority of the single player games the discs only exist to check for licenses and that's it. The only stuff that holds any value are old retro stuff that you cannot find anymore in stores. Like the original black label PS1 titles. Or original brand new PS1 or PS2 console that has never been opened and is still sealed.
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systemr123
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The true tower of powerI'm getting Amazon Echo vibes.
splattered
Member
Wait, so it's the court's fault not Microsoft?
Or am i reading this wrong?
This is all so freakin wild haha
RoadHazard
Gold Member
You absolutely cannot trade games digitally, not to mention resell. Loopholes don't count (and are very limited anyway).
You yourself say that once you're done with a game you rarely want to come back to it. Great, then sell it and make some money back! Except with digital you can't. That game that you never want to play again is forever tied to your account, and you can't do anything with it.
What game disc is tied to a digital server? That point doesn't make any sense.
And the vast majority of SP games are in fact complete and playable on the disc. It might not be the optimal version since day 1 patches are so prevalent these days, but the idea that most discs are just a license key and you have to download the entire game anyway is a myth. That is the exception, not the rule.
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Ma-Yuan
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U got me wrong. I mean why would i buy a series x ever now. All is on pc. I love physical media but i will not buy anything on an all digital xbox better spend that money on a pc if it has to be digital and i can not get around not playing it.
SenkiDala
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Yeah you'll see physical games on PC are the bests
Tsaki
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I also comes intrinsically with less power consumption, even before the transistor density is taken into account.
twilo99
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I see.. yes, if you can afford a PC that’s always been the better choice overall.
I explained what I mean by more rights. On GoG, I can buy a game. I can back up that game. I can play it offline on any device I would like.
PS5/Xbox Family Sharing is not true trading, at all. It is "lending" to a select few people at a time. If I wanted to Trade my Digital Copy of Halo 5 to some Rando for his digital copy of Cuphead, permanently losing access to that digital copy of Halo 5 but gaining permanent access to Cuphead (until traded/sold), you cannot do that.
30s as well. Just because *you* don't replay games doesn't mean that others are the same. I have 100% Final Fantasy IX over 20 times. I will continue to replay this "ancient game" in my 70s because it is a great game. Same reason I would read the Middle-earth books in my 80s, or watch Casablanca in my 90s. Good media is good media and will stand the test of time. This isn't a complicated thing to understand.
GoG and the explosion of retro collecting has proven otherwise. People want to play these older games and they will find ways to play them decades after they are no longer for sale.
It is clear why you chose an always online GAAS title, I am not falling for that bait.
Objectively and factually wrong. The vast majority of single player discs exist complete, playable from start to finish with no updates or downloads required. Only a handful of modern AAA games and GAAS titles are as you claim. This has been proven time and again. Hell, there are entire websites dedicated to this: https://www.doesitplay.org/
You have been shown this before. Stop with pushing false information.
Hudo
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BC will most likely be streaming-based in that future.
//DEVIL//
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Not the same. I specifically said no physical on consoles. The advantage of a console is the ability to buy and sell physical games. If I can't do that, then what is the point of buying a 500$ PC that can't do PC stuff? (Not to mention the yearly fee you have to pay to play online ( what a load of shit is that one )
Let alone the huge library of physical games some own on Xbox or PlayStation will be rendered useless since the refresh won't allow you to play those games anymore unless you buy them digitally again.
The only forgiving point would be if there is an external disk drive option and no such a thing exists it seems for Xbox plans as of now.
At this rate, the ps5 with a detachable drive option just destroys this
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Heisenberg007
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This means that Backwards Compatibility and Game Preservation are bullshit marketing points that nobody cares about (which is obviously not the case).
Holammer
Member
I'm sure MS can walk & chew bubble gum at the same time.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
MS's
Bloomberg: Microsoft Mistakenly Posts Secret Game Plans to Government Site
Christmas came early this year.
Twice even,
Bleeping Computer: Microsoft leaks 38TB of private data via unsecured Azure storage
Here is another leak, separate from the FTC fuck up. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-leaks-38tb-of-private-data-via-unsecured-azure-storage/
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Her mother threw her away into a hole when she was a child. Yes, it’s real cannon from the game.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Out of curiosity do you think there will be any repercussions from this? Someone from MS getting the axe? Or are they just going to say oops! and move on?
Elder Legend
Banned
No one stops anyone from playing old games. Don't sell your retro systems and keep them, or if you have to get rid of one due to emergency then just go buy one off eBay or something for cheap at later date. Emulators also exist on PC. I never tried GoG so I have no experience or knowledge so I can't speak for that. I only use Steam on PC and that's it and I've only ever returned a game once or twice. I am usually pretty good at knowing what game I will stick around with or not.
It's clear why I choose an always online GAAS title? There is no bait here friend, even Sony is investing in a ton of GAAS only titles because single player is getting super pricey and very risky, but that's a whole different debate. Why is Diablo 4 a bad example? What about Sea of Thieves, Forza Horizon series or any of those? They are all GAAS but they can easily be played as a single player game but still require a connection to the interwebs. My point is simply that many games that can be played solo still require an internet connection and that seems to be the future of gaming which points towards a digital only future. I don't know if Elder Scrolls 6 or any of the big future RPGs will require 100% online or not, and I am going to assume it won't, but at this rate it's hard to say because it just seems that things are heading to that direction sooner or later.
No one is trying to spread misinformation here first of all - I genuinely assumed that majority of the discs today are just licenses checks, at least it seems to be the case for Xbox titles. PlayStation I think has actual data on it, but I could be wrong.
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lachesis
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Cylinder shape? looks like old charcoal thing that people used to back in asia - some poorer people still use them. (And many used die from CO intoxication..).
Since it seems like no real performance gain (other than power usage) - I'll definitely stick with my X. It looks like it will just roll on the table if you put it horizontally..
I welcome haptic feedback though - Hope the D pad isn't as loud as they are now.
Since it seems like no real performance gain (other than power usage) - I'll definitely stick with my X. It looks like it will just roll on the table if you put it horizontally..
I welcome haptic feedback though - Hope the D pad isn't as loud as they are now.
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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What a fuck*ng size for a dildo! I guess XBOX fans are "flexible" enough with such nonsense and amaterish from MS by now...
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Some interesting Phil emails regarding Yakuza Like a Dragon in here and about SEGA too.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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More stuff on Yakuza LAD
TikiLagoonSam
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Its amazing how Microsofts entire future had leaked and I still don’t see any compelling reason to buy their console.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Considering this:
www.resetera.com
I seriously doubt MS will go forward with plans for a console that is so heavily tied to cloud.
edit: To be clear, the thread title is pretty much the gist of it, if you think the purple site will give you cooties
Microsoft reduced investment in XCloud to "zero" last year, Fortnite on XCloud success was only ‘fairly marginal’
More stuff from the leak, but it would explain why XCloud hasn't received any tech improvements or new features in a while. The Fortnite tidbit might not be new, I think it was covered on some of the acquisition stuff. He also goes on to say later that the vision for cloud gaming on mobile is...
www.resetera.com
I seriously doubt MS will go forward with plans for a console that is so heavily tied to cloud.
edit: To be clear, the thread title is pretty much the gist of it, if you think the purple site will give you cooties
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rofif
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Are you kidding me?
The "but pc is al digital" is the worst argument ever.
On pc:
-Steam keys are sold by many many resellers and regions.
-You have access to your files and game. You can back it up
-You can crack your game if you want
-You are not at a mercy of store runner.
Of course you can still get hacked or banned but there are much less downsides to digital on pc than consoles