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marvelharvey
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pixelbox said:
From now on, can you please post in every sales thread, that really made me smile... I think.... err, I love you.
Shinoobi said:
DS just started beating out the PSP in the US a couple of months back. Overall it has sold more than the PSP but they are close.
Europe, DS is in the lead overall but I'm not sure who is selling at a faster rate right now.
Worldwide, the DS is in the lead by a couple million or so (probably a lot more by now)
sonycowboy
Member
Jonnyram said:
OMFG!
Are those DS numbers the highest non-launch weekly totals ever? I've never seen the like. It's unfreakingbelievable.
And Holy shit as the 360. I thought we were seeing a rise in interest for this thing according to all of those surveys. That number is incredibly weak and I don't want to hear excuses about DOA. Those numbers are beyond people waiting for software. They are abject rejection.
sonycowboy said:
The thing about DoA is that it'll launch around the time hardware sales are at their highest. First week of January usually > most weeks of the year. I expect some interesting threads outta that.
And yes, DS sales are unbelievable. There's just no other way to describe them. No one could have predicted this success with a straight face.
He has a bit of a point, people who think that DS sales will somehow have a positive effect on Rev sales are really reaching....Nintendo has always been successful in the handheld market and the whole time has been floundering terribly in the Home console sector.
Just becuase one "new" idea worked in a sector where Nintendo's success has been unmatched for the past 15 years doesnt mean another "new" idea will help nintendo in a sector they have been failing(now dont take this word too harshly) at since the N64.
Thats really stretching it.
Just becuase one "new" idea worked in a sector where Nintendo's success has been unmatched for the past 15 years doesnt mean another "new" idea will help nintendo in a sector they have been failing(now dont take this word too harshly) at since the N64.
Thats really stretching it.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
PhoenixDark said:
One question, will the new DS Pokemon games be online?
Well, they're not arguing that Nintendo's success with the DS will boost their performance with the Rev -- they're saying that the DS's sales are indicative of how a non-traditional gaming device will fare.Monorojo said:
While you're correct in your counter-argument that the handheld sector is very different from the home console sector, you should not forget this: many, many of those DSs weren't sold to an existing handheld userbase -- they created a large part of the market. And I think that's something the Rvltn will definitely do in Japan.
PhoenixDark
Banned
GreenGlowingGoo said:
WiFi, 16 players online. This was announced last year.
soundwave05
Member
I wonder what Nintendo will do with the Nintendogs series now?
Will they make a Nintendogs 2 next year? Or something with other animals altogether.
In addition to New Super Mario Bros., Zelda DS, etc. Nintendo probably has a shit-ton of "non-games" now in development for the DS and Revolution, which they'll reveal after the holiday rush.
Will they make a Nintendogs 2 next year? Or something with other animals altogether.
In addition to New Super Mario Bros., Zelda DS, etc. Nintendo probably has a shit-ton of "non-games" now in development for the DS and Revolution, which they'll reveal after the holiday rush.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
PhoenixDark said:
16? Holy crap! Then yes, I believe you are correct about it grabbing a large portion of GBA hold outs. I'd also see the online play alone grabbing a lot of people who'd never played pokemon.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
soundwave05 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they made one with cats, according to Hideki Konno in an interview:
"To tell the truth, we were already starting to develop a cat-based game at the outset of this project. So we already have the cat models, voice data and so on."
interview link: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60624
Though I could see a cat game as being frightfully boring.
*insert Nintendogs boringness joke here*
apotema
Member
pixelbox said:
EMO Kid: How could this happened to me, I made my mistakes, got nowhere to run, the night goes on as I'm fading away, I'm sick of this life, I just wanna screeeeeeeeam, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
Anyway, we all want DS to shatter all records, dont we??? I think we will be very surprised when the Famitsu Top 100 FOR 2005 gets released, because of the LTD numbers for the DS medium sized games like:
Kirby, Yoshi, Another Code, Pac Pix, Harvest Moon, Egg Monster Hero, Meteos, Power Pocket Koushien and 8, Slime Mori Mori, Naruto RPG and 2, Dragon Ball Z, Mushiking, Pokemon Trozei, Super Princess Peach, Daredemo (which is not that medium), Sonic Rush and Nintendogs as separate games
I think that there is some truth to the idea that the DS' success will help the Rev.Monorojo said:
Mindshare is very important. People expected the PSP to sluaghter the DS because of the Playstation name. While that didn't exactly happen the way people expected, the system is still doing very well. It's success is because of the PS name. If the PSP was exactly the same (same design, power, games, everything) except it was made by MS and called the XBP does anyone think that it would have sold 95k last week?
I don't think that the REV will be a success just because of the DS, but Nintendo is rapidly rebuilding their brandname in Japan. I don't know how much it will help, but it definately won't hurt.
You can also assume that 3rd parties are looking at the success of it and taking notes. This will make it a whole lot easier for Nintendo to sell their vision of the Rev to other developers.
soundwave05
Member
JJConrad said:
Then again, if it were made by Apple, it may have sold more in Japan.
I can't believe I just read through 11 pages and didn't see a single "Nintendo is teh d00med." 
Still, pixelbox's post is classic enough to make up for my wasted time. From implying that Animal Crossing and Nintendogs are developing sequelitis with all of 2 and 1 entries in their respective series, to saying that the PSP is "close enough" to the DS in sales, to stating that Sony systems don't need upgrades for ten years, to arguing that the PSP only needs a--singular--really good game to compete, to some kind of attempt at gaming philosophy that applies more to DDR than the Revolution controller ("no one wants to jump up and down"), that was just a nonstop sequence of hilarity.
Really and truly.
Still, pixelbox's post is classic enough to make up for my wasted time. From implying that Animal Crossing and Nintendogs are developing sequelitis with all of 2 and 1 entries in their respective series, to saying that the PSP is "close enough" to the DS in sales, to stating that Sony systems don't need upgrades for ten years, to arguing that the PSP only needs a--singular--really good game to compete, to some kind of attempt at gaming philosophy that applies more to DDR than the Revolution controller ("no one wants to jump up and down"), that was just a nonstop sequence of hilarity.
Really and truly.
soundwave05
Member
What are the LTD's for the DS and PSP now in Japan?
elostyle said:
soundwave05 said:
To answer both of you.
http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2462622&postcount=313
The point is, this is rendering that question to be not all that important. The DS train is only going to grow bigger. Look at Animal Crossing. The first version sold around 6-700K in Japan on the gamecube. This one is on track for 1m, or 1.5M. The first sequel can often grow massively. So consider Nintendogs. The first will hit 1M after arriving when there were less than 2M DSs and was unknown. If Nintendogs 2 comes next Christmas there will be 10 million DS owners, first week sales will be huge and people will be running around with bark mode networking in full effect as loads of people have it from the word go. Whats to stop this version growing like Animal Crossing did and selling 2 million or even 3 million?moku said:
Compare to the console market which is steadily dying. Software sales are down 50% or more from their peaks. Why shouldnt that continue? Why shouldnt that begin to translate into less hardware sold? The ps2 launched to massive hype when the market was booming. This time ps3 isnt. The price of the hardware and of the games will be higher. Most franchises generally have declined greatly, even Final Fantasy. Dev times and costs have increased so less games will be made. There is now more competition for 3rd parties what with the Rev offering an alternative and the DS being one too. A decline of the ps3 from the 20M of the ps2 to be honest seems natural. A 25% decline to 15M units would not be in any way outrageous given the current state of the market.
What will happen to DS when games appealing to the playstation generation like Resident Evil or the Square rpgs arrive? What about when Pokemon hits? Or old school Mario? Or maybe more new so called non-games? At the end of next year there could be 12M DSs and a year later 18M dont you think? how many DSs do you think they can sell? 20 million? 25 million? 30 million? If those kind of numbers happen, which is possible, how much does it really matter if the Revolution can challenge ps3 for the 15M units sold crown?
soundwave05
Member
I don't think Sony is in trouble.
There will always be a big mainstream audience for the type of product they create ... what Nintendo's doing really can't be stopped.
That's just like when a basketball player scores 50 points on your team no matter what you do against him.
You just tip your hat afterwards and say "good game".
Selling 400,000 and possibly 500,000-600,000 next week for a non-launch week ... I don't think this has been done in Japan since the Famicom if ever.
It does however look like PSP is basically doomed to be a no.2 handheld in Japan though. The DS might even triple the PSP's userbase by next summer. It wouldn't surprise me.
There will always be a big mainstream audience for the type of product they create ... what Nintendo's doing really can't be stopped.
That's just like when a basketball player scores 50 points on your team no matter what you do against him.
You just tip your hat afterwards and say "good game".
Selling 400,000 and possibly 500,000-600,000 next week for a non-launch week ... I don't think this has been done in Japan since the Famicom if ever.
It does however look like PSP is basically doomed to be a no.2 handheld in Japan though. The DS might even triple the PSP's userbase by next summer. It wouldn't surprise me.
Actually I think DOA4 will move some hardware.sonycowboy said:
But the latest survey I read wasnt really positive for xbox 360. I never understood how some people had hope for a console with the predecessor being a total failure (in that country).
Did they really think making it look less like a child coffin and the mere existence of Mistwalker will make millions of japanese buy that thing?
from Infoplant (sorry, german):
1. a) Wollen Sie die PlayStation3 kaufen?
- 12,0 Prozent: Ich plane, die PlayStation3 zu kaufen.
- 63,0 Prozent: Ja.
- 25,0 Prozent: Nein.
(Antworten von 100 Personen von 10 - 19 Jahre.)
1. b) Wollen Sie die PlayStation3 kaufen?
- 10,0 Prozent: Ich plane, die PlayStation3 zu kaufen.
- 50,0 Prozent: Ja.
- 40,0 Prozent: Nein.
(Antworten von 100 Personen von 30 - 39 Jahren.)
2. a) Wollen Sie die Xbox 360 kaufen?
- 0,0 Prozent: Ich habe schon eine Xbox 360.
- 1,0 Prozent: Ich plane, die Xbox 360 zu kaufen.
- 26,0 Prozent: Ich denke über einen Kauf nach.
- 73,0 Prozent: Nein.
(Antworten von 100 Personen von 10 - 19 Jahre.)
2. b) Wollen Sie die Xbox 360 kaufen?
- 0,0 Prozent: Ich habe schon eine Xbox 360.
- 1,0 Prozent: Ich plane, die Xbox 360 zu kaufen.
- 29,0 Prozent: Ich denke über einen Kauf nach.
- 70,0 Prozent: Nein.
(Antworten von 100 Personen von 30 - 39 Jahren.)
3. a) Wollen Sie Nintendo Revolution kaufen?
- 5,0 Prozent: Ich plane, Revolution zu kaufen.
- 34,0 Prozent: Ja.
- 61,0 Prozent: Nein.
(Antworten von 100 Personen von 10 - 19 Jahre.)
3. b) Wollen Sie Nintendo Revolution kaufen?
- 3,0 Prozent: Ich plane, Revolution zu kaufen.
- 26,0 Prozent: Ja.
- 71,0 Prozent: Nein.
(Antworten von 100 Personen von 30 - 39 Jahre.)
I think the whole Revolution doing well because of DS point is a valid one.
DS isn't just another gameboy. Yes, Nintendo always have known how to dominate handheld sales but the DS is different. It's a different forumla, a different approach. It's not Mario Kart, Mario, Pokemon that is driving sales, it's Brain Training, Animal Crossing, Nintendogs.
They have delivered a cheap, innovative piece of hardware, sidestepped the attraction of adding multi-media capabilities and so on and supported it with some damn good software. How much do you think Animal Crossing cost to develop? Nintendogs? Brain Training? But the games are fantastic and they are tapping into new audiences.
Almost every single franchise in Japan has declined. Sales are down across the board. Yes PS2 sold as much hardware as PS in Japan, but only 2/3 the software! (200m vs 300m). GBA sold a lot less software for it's userbase than GB and GC is down from N64.
Final Fantasy games can 'only' expect to sell 2-2.5m, but back down to early SNES kind of numbers, from 3.5-4m for VII and VIII.
Mario games are down, Mario Kart, Zelda, Donkey Kong games, Tekken, Resident Evil down dramatically from versions 1,2,3 on PS.
Even the big two- Pokemon and Dragon Quest are a bit down on previous performances.
Japan has been in a slump for a while and been in need of something new to kick-start it.
If you go back a couple of pages to the old Famitsu graphs I put up from 94-97 you can see a bit of history in the making there, PS and Saturn were neck and neck for first 15 months or so and then suddenly the PS just went crazy (probably after the announcement of Final Fantasy) and things haven't looked back since.
Well I think we're seeing similar stuff now with DS. A system has NEVER sold this much over xmas before (although I'd like to see PS 97 numbers just to be sure) and I think Nintendo's new direction is really working.
Girls are playing Nintendogs, older gamers are playing Brain Training, new gamers are trying Animal Crossing, younger gamers are playing Gentle Brain Training and Tamogotchi, traditional gamers are getting Mario Kart and Mario 64- with the breadth of software out there and the idea of making lots of small innovative games on a low budget they are really doing well.
The obvious consequence of this is that many other experimental games like Electroplankton, Polarium, Touch golf, and even Kirby and Yoshi haven't sold that well, and probably worse than the worse selling GBA / GC / N64 / GB games. But they are taking risks. Some are working, some aren't.
But it's great to see such innovation, so many new games and ideas coming along. Just like we had with early Playstation in some ways. Nintendo were all old and set in their ways to some degree with the same old franchises and PS offered something different (this isn't taking away from the fact that Mario 64, Zelda etc are some of the best games ever made).
Now most of the market is pretty stangant. World Soccer 9, Powerful Pro Baseball 12, Dynasty Warriors 5, Mario Party 6, Naruto 4- everyone is guilty of it and as much as I love Nintendo I thought they were fairly lazy with Gamecube (especially games like Wave Race, 1080, Golf, Tennis, Starfox, F-Zero)- none were as good as the N64 versions.
The DS is changing all that. It's putting the innovation back into games, it's great to see experiments like Nintendogs and Brain Training do so well, and as they are continuing the same philosophy with Revolution- cheap innovative games, lots of risks, bold new ideas, new control system then I have to applaud them and say that I think that they are really onto a winner.
DS isn't just another gameboy. Yes, Nintendo always have known how to dominate handheld sales but the DS is different. It's a different forumla, a different approach. It's not Mario Kart, Mario, Pokemon that is driving sales, it's Brain Training, Animal Crossing, Nintendogs.
They have delivered a cheap, innovative piece of hardware, sidestepped the attraction of adding multi-media capabilities and so on and supported it with some damn good software. How much do you think Animal Crossing cost to develop? Nintendogs? Brain Training? But the games are fantastic and they are tapping into new audiences.
Almost every single franchise in Japan has declined. Sales are down across the board. Yes PS2 sold as much hardware as PS in Japan, but only 2/3 the software! (200m vs 300m). GBA sold a lot less software for it's userbase than GB and GC is down from N64.
Final Fantasy games can 'only' expect to sell 2-2.5m, but back down to early SNES kind of numbers, from 3.5-4m for VII and VIII.
Mario games are down, Mario Kart, Zelda, Donkey Kong games, Tekken, Resident Evil down dramatically from versions 1,2,3 on PS.
Even the big two- Pokemon and Dragon Quest are a bit down on previous performances.
Japan has been in a slump for a while and been in need of something new to kick-start it.
If you go back a couple of pages to the old Famitsu graphs I put up from 94-97 you can see a bit of history in the making there, PS and Saturn were neck and neck for first 15 months or so and then suddenly the PS just went crazy (probably after the announcement of Final Fantasy) and things haven't looked back since.
Well I think we're seeing similar stuff now with DS. A system has NEVER sold this much over xmas before (although I'd like to see PS 97 numbers just to be sure) and I think Nintendo's new direction is really working.
Girls are playing Nintendogs, older gamers are playing Brain Training, new gamers are trying Animal Crossing, younger gamers are playing Gentle Brain Training and Tamogotchi, traditional gamers are getting Mario Kart and Mario 64- with the breadth of software out there and the idea of making lots of small innovative games on a low budget they are really doing well.
The obvious consequence of this is that many other experimental games like Electroplankton, Polarium, Touch golf, and even Kirby and Yoshi haven't sold that well, and probably worse than the worse selling GBA / GC / N64 / GB games. But they are taking risks. Some are working, some aren't.
But it's great to see such innovation, so many new games and ideas coming along. Just like we had with early Playstation in some ways. Nintendo were all old and set in their ways to some degree with the same old franchises and PS offered something different (this isn't taking away from the fact that Mario 64, Zelda etc are some of the best games ever made).
Now most of the market is pretty stangant. World Soccer 9, Powerful Pro Baseball 12, Dynasty Warriors 5, Mario Party 6, Naruto 4- everyone is guilty of it and as much as I love Nintendo I thought they were fairly lazy with Gamecube (especially games like Wave Race, 1080, Golf, Tennis, Starfox, F-Zero)- none were as good as the N64 versions.
The DS is changing all that. It's putting the innovation back into games, it's great to see experiments like Nintendogs and Brain Training do so well, and as they are continuing the same philosophy with Revolution- cheap innovative games, lots of risks, bold new ideas, new control system then I have to applaud them and say that I think that they are really onto a winner.
CVXFREAK said:
Who me?
No, no that's exactly what I meant. They are two of the best games ever made and had a hell of an impact when they came out- you can see how strong N64 sales started and there was a huge boost in Xmas 98 in Japan.
The problem was that in Japan, the PS was offering so many new games and was really building momentum, while the N64 suffered with a huge lack of games (western support on the N64 was far better than in Japan- Rare back at their peak is the classic example).
That's what I mean. I loved the N64 and still find it hard to understand why it did so poorly compared to PS. But look back to 96-97 at the games you got- Parapper the Rapper, Crash Bandicoot, Devil Dice (huge in Japan) Final Fantasy Tactics, Everybody's Golf- they were all brand new at the time and as good as Zelda and Mario 64 were, the sheer depth of the PS catalogue and the fact it appealed to so many is why it did better.
Now with the DS, Nintendo seem to be getting it all right (in Japan at least). We still have the fantastic Mario Bros, Zeldas and so on (a 3D Zelda i hope) mario 64 etc, but there's also much more depth to the games now, and lots of risks and new games that are attracting in new gamers, much like PS did back in 96-97 in Japan.
And as with most of these things, the US and Europe normally follow on about 2-3 years later.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Here's a silly statistic. Some of you may remember that one of my lesser-used spreadsheet values is the amount of person-weeks each system has had. Essentially start from scratch, and each week add the previous week's LTD and half of this week's sales to get an estimate of how much it's been owned. Somewhat useful for playing around more with attach rates. Anyway, from there it's possible to divide a system's total weeks by the current lifetime sales to see the average time each of those systems has been owned. The DS has always been slightly ahead of the PSP in that department, until now. Due to the large influx of new users, the average DS has been owned 29.2 weeks to the average PSP's 30.3.
If next week is anything like this week, DS will go back above twice the PSP.
Unless you just mean December?
Yeah, the percentage share chart I like. *shrug* I just like the way it dips down from 100%, then seems to reach a near-equilibrium with slow small changes.Frankfurter said:
If next week is anything like this week, DS will go back above twice the PSP.
Wasn't that something like 4.2 million, though? With two weeks left in the year, DS would have to sell 500,000 in each.Frankfurter said:
Unless you just mean December?
Here's one for 2005.Acrylamid said:Someone should have started a GBA (classic)-XBox comparison months ago.
Chart is great as always, Culex, but one technical suggestion (and this goes for any chartsters out there). For something with low colors like that, making it a GIF rather than JPEG would make it smaller and clearer.Culex said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Yeah, pretty much. A few years back I was having troubles with PNGs not displaying in Internet Explorer for some reason, and began defaulting to GIF for online purposes. Totally would've saved a combined 5K for those two images, though. :lolelostyle said:
The_lascar
Member
Blue : Nintendo HW
Pink : Sony HW
Yellow : Nintendo + Sony + Microsoft HW
For weeks in 2005