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Media Create Sales 3/31 - 4/6
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Sorry, I didn't realize 400k was the magic barrier for success. Even if you for some reason discount the top games, which seems pretty ridiculous anyway, I'm pretty sure PSP third-party software handily outdoes Wii third-party software, which, if you're not Nintendo and want to make games that take advantage of post-N64 technology, is a pretty good incentive. This is especially true since handheld titles usually have lower budgets than console games (yeah I know Wii games lololol) so the ROI is higher. Again, developers who want to continue to sell PS2-style games pretty much have the PSP as their only outlet, at least in Japan.donny2112 said:
Vinci said:
It's purely innovation, it's sophisticated in that sense. You are gonna have a hard time convincing me that some IR sensors and gyro that can be slapped together for probably way less than $40 is breakthrough in technology. It's a breakthrough in IDEA, It's the way they implemented it with software that made it successful.
Sharp said:
PSP definitely has a decent amount of 3rd party games that have sold between 150-250K, but those are mostly established franchise games which quite frankly haven't shown up very much on the Wii. If those games never come to the Wii, then yes, they will never sell.
Syntek said:
If what has been said before about Nintendo dumbing down the Wii's hardware for fear the controller would not be accepted is true, then its successor may very well be far more powerful from a graphical standpoint but that depends on how they want to follow the Wii up. I mean, I can't imagine what they'll do next time to maintain this sort of domination considering they can't just lean on the Wiimote's capabilities forever when the other hardware manufacturers are likely heading that direction -- or something similar -- next go-around.
ksamedi said:
Yes, I read that Iwata Asks as well. And I'm sure that was part of the motivation, but I remember them specifically stating that they were worried whether the controller would resonate with people or alienate them from the system, and many proposed that they likely didn't invest too heavily into other hardware elements for fear that the Wii would fail.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
DENKO said:
O_O
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
ThanosOTitan said:
PSP success =/= PS3 success
Before the DS life, the PSP had many chances to beat the DS. The PS3 NEVER EVER had this luxury.
It will take a miracle for the PS3 to be anything but 2nd place, it is the gamecube over again. Except the PS3 is bombing more than the cube.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Not to go LanceStern with a set number for success, but other than those there are still a good dozen 200+K games, and a few dozen more 100+K games.Pureauthor said:
Err, not long at all? It came out 8 months after the N64 version, being a pretty straight port.Minsc said:
Image using Famitsu numbers. Each time PS3 or GCN has hit a holiday period, they've regained the lead.schuelma said:
schuelma said:
I was mocking ksamedi for bringing up a stupid point. Its quite obvious Wii is a software selling machine, but mostly for Nintendo right now. Just cause 3rd dont feel like making shit for the Wii doesnt change the fact that Nintendo software is the alpha and omega on the system
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
HK-47 said:
Uh, actually, that does change the facts.
What's important is that A-level titles sell the way A-level titles should, B-level titles sell the way B-level titles should, and C-level titles sell the way C-level titles should. If companies release C-level titles, they should get C-level sales.
The problem with the Wii is that at the end of last year there were a series of bombs from all three of those categories where the titles substantially underperformed based on their stature.
Zack and Wiki not being a hit? Not a problem.
Zack and Wiki not even registering? Big problem.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
I hope the big holiday game is a 3rd party game. Like RE5 or GTA4.norinrad21 said:
But the software performance is very similar. So maybe you could accredit a lot of those PSP sales to those interested in it's media functions. The PS3 version of that audience being the Blu-Ray crowd, which doesn't seem to be there yet in Japan..Jokeropia said:
Minsc
Gold Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
I stand corrected, I fell in to the trap of confusing US issues with Japanese ones. Animal Crossing was originally planned for the N64 in the US too afaik, but late in the development cycle it got ported to the Gamecube. That's where I'm getting this idea of big delays, which does seem incorrect now.
nextgeneration
Member
@_@ at ps3. I thought this year the ps3 would stay above 10k in Japan on a weekly basis, at least. It's not even doing that. At least it's doing well in Europe and US. Nice numbers for Mario Kart. 
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
HK-47 said:
What are you agreeing with? Not me.
My point is that it doesn't matter if third party games aren't breaking 50k. It matters if third party games are the type of games that SHOULD break 50k and they don't.
There are about a half-dozen examples of cases where this happened, mostly all in a row at the end of last year (Zwiki, We Love Golf, Soul Calibur Legends, arguably Chocobo Wii, a few others). These are problem cases. These are fairly isolated though, as a lot of other software has done well. The Wii on the overall is still fairly healthy for third parties, and I suspect that Famitsu Top 500 will show healthy off-chart growth. (Haven't read much of the MC500 that just came out)
In other words, the PS3 is actually the problem system. Yeah, plenty of stuff has sold exceedingly well on an absolute standard (200k+ for most of the major games)--the problem is that those games that ARE selling that well are the sorts that should be selling much better.
Sharp said:
Sorry, I didn't say 400k was the magic barrier for success.
Sharp said:
Did you just say that discounting the top games would be ridiculous and then proceed to discount first-party games? :lol
Sharp said:
With nowhere near the ROI or even likely profit for their effort. PSP, in general, is not a good software platform for UMD games. In specific cases, that can vary.
Just to avoid this spiraling even further due to a misunderstanding, I was commenting that it was numerically ironic that all but four games on the PSP fall below the same line as all of the games on the PS3. No comment on profitability. No comment on success. It is possible to find the numbers themselves interesting without ascribing deeper meaning to the overall system's health.
Pureauthor
Member
Epiphyte said:
I think it's less a question of 'deserving' and more a question of what the people at Namco wanted out of it.
Magicpaint
Member
Pureauthor said:
Namco and sales expectations = o_0
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I'm being a bit stupid by going after hyperbole, but if I interpret "half as bad" to be the same as "twice as good", PSP's first few years don't reach the bar of half as bad as PS3. A doubled PS3 would through 73 weeks be ahead of PSP hardware by 18% and software by about 44%.Jokeropia said: