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Metroid 25th anniversary Thread: Gaf does what Nintendon't
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Franchuzas87
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I almost forgot. A couple of years ago, experimenting with a video editing program, I did a little tribute to the evolution of the series. No big deal, but I leave it here: P
2001: A Metroid Odyssey
2001: A Metroid Odyssey
Mailenstein
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Well, they are not Metroid games either. At least not what I expect from a Metroid title --> Super Metroid. Can't put up with that Prime jazz at all.Crunched said:
Zero Mission was surely no simple remake, but it was a remake. I just want a new title made the way it should be. Nothing bad about that I think.
XANDER CAGE
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Mailenstein said:
Beyond the shift in perspective, Prime is exactly what Metroid has always been.
Magicpaint
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Nothing bad about that at all, but Metroid is one series where there has never truly been a "way it should be."Mailenstein said:
Prime may be different from Super Metroid, but not really more so than Super was different from Metroid II.
Franchuzas87
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I'm pretty sure there are 2D Metroids in which you need to shoot the same or more than in Metroid Prime. Many people call it "shooter" because is played in first person, but I don't think it fits that category better than Super Metroid. Just saying.
Mailenstein
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I did play the first two Prime title like 1/3 through each. Corruption I played like 3 hours and stopped. It just doesn't feel "metroidish" for me. Same goes for Metroid Prime Hunters on the NDS. Had high hopes in Other M but got disappointed, even I finished that. Will never touch it again tho.Crunched said:
Magicpaint
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Exactly. I mean would anyone honestly believe that Super Metroid is a shooter in the same way Contra is? Metroid Prime's focus is very clearly on exploration and discovery, just like its predecessors. Calling it a shooter, is a true as saying Super Metroid plays like Contra or Metal Slug.Franchuzas87 said:
Yes.Magicpaint said:
Corruption and Hunters are the only "shooters" in the series, and they suffer for that.
Prime 1 + 2 are adventure games through and through.
If you've tried them and haven't liked them, I can't fault you for that. But I'm not sure how you would come to the conclusion that the first two Prime games were shooters.Mailenstein said:
SpacePirate Ridley
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I had a lot of fun and really liked Other M, even with it known shortcomings.
There, I said it.
There, I said it.
Nocturnowl
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You must be some kind of crazy person to have enjoyed that messSpacePirate Ridley said:
and so am I!
Metroid Killer
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Alright alright!Truth101 said:
I can see what Mailenstein feels like. I would looove a sequel that builds on Super sometime in the future. That being said the various takes on what makes a Metroid game (Fusion, Prime, Other M) have all been great (well interesting in Other M's case) Metroid games imo. Too bad you can't appreciate them too :/
I never understood/will understand people who think the Prime series is a shooter.
Yes, you shoot stuff but that's just a part of the experience. Just like in the 2D games, but from a different perspective. Prime perfectly captures the essence of 2D Metroid: exploration. That alone sets it apart from the "everyday" shooter. Its a well belanced mix of both elements imo.
Yes, you shoot stuff but that's just a part of the experience. Just like in the 2D games, but from a different perspective. Prime perfectly captures the essence of 2D Metroid: exploration. That alone sets it apart from the "everyday" shooter. Its a well belanced mix of both elements imo.
Franchuzas87
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Yeah, I also think Other M is a great game
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if you play it in hard mode and skip the sequences
Magicpaint
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I can accept people thinking Other M is a great game, as long as they accept also that I had a great time with Metroid Prime Hunters' single player adventure 
My point isn't to necessarily draw bridges, but in the case of 2D shooters and the majority of FPS games, the focus is clearly on shooting; Metroid, in both 2D and 3D form do not feature that degree of focus, even if there is an element of shooting in them, therefore they don't fit.
Well as long as you agree with meBrazil said:
My point isn't to necessarily draw bridges, but in the case of 2D shooters and the majority of FPS games, the focus is clearly on shooting; Metroid, in both 2D and 3D form do not feature that degree of focus, even if there is an element of shooting in them, therefore they don't fit.Nocturnowl
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How is the hard mode by the way? I might start it up now i'm in a Metroid mood but it sounds more like a chore with the lack of energy tanks or whatever happens.Franchuzas87 said:
Mailenstein
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Well, that's based on Prime being a first person view experience which gives me this shooterish feeling. I simply don't like Metroid being in an 3D environment at all. Might be old fashioned thinking, but that's the way I think about Metroid. I'm fine with Super Mario and Zelda shifting to a 3D world, but I just don't like it with Metroid.Crunched said:
Cheesemeister
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Truth101 said:
Meanwhile, Donkey Kong and Mario celebrate their 30th and nobody notices.
Electivirus
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Why does everything in the Metroid universe have a self-destruct protocol? I'd be afraid to eat a friggin' sandwich without worrying about whether or not it'd blow my head off. :V
Like I said, I can't force you to like it. But a perspective switch doesn't make it a shooter. I'm fairly certain most of the series' fans would agree it's basically like playing Super Metroid as Samus herself, instead of viewing her through a planet's cross-section.Mailenstein said:
If you can, I suggest giving at least Prime 1 another chance. It's a superbly made game, and I have a feeling your opinion will change by the end of it.
Or don't, completely up to you.
Hard mode is an excellent challenge that not only encourages, but forces high-level play. I loved it, but it's not for everyone.Nocturnowl said:
Nocturnowl
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Imagine seeing Samus waltzing around on YOUR planet, you just know that in the next 24 hours the place is going to be obliterated, i'd relocate.Electivirus said:
At http://speeddemosarchive.com/ they are doing a 100% Super Metroid speedrun race (one on SNES another one on VC) right now.
Stealth-EDIT: Awesome thread, OP!
Stealth-EDIT: Awesome thread, OP!
Franchuzas87
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Have one energy tank for the entire game forces you to master the combat, especially against last bosses. The fight againstNocturnowl said:
Ridley
Thank you all involved for this thread. It's shame that Nintendo has yet to acknowledge the anniversary.
It's pretty meh since it's turns it even further into a straight up action/shooter game. You only have 99 energy and 10 missiles since they are no upgrades other than the ones needed for progression. They should have done it more like Zero Mission where energy/missiles gained are cut in half and encouraged low percent runs.
Nocturnowl said:
It's pretty meh since it's turns it even further into a straight up action/shooter game. You only have 99 energy and 10 missiles since they are no upgrades other than the ones needed for progression. They should have done it more like Zero Mission where energy/missiles gained are cut in half and encouraged low percent runs.
Magicpaint
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Metroid Prime Hunters is by far the worst offender. I think Metroid II is the only game without a self destruct sequence?Electivirus said:
Correctomundo
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SpacePirate Ridley said:
Ain't no shame. It's a fine game that fell short of some people's expectations. On the internet, and especially GAF, everything falls into a "shit or brilliant" kind of lackadaisical categorization. And while Other M is clearly not brilliant, it is most definitely not shit.
I might just fire up Other M. Haven't played through it since I 100%ed it last year.
Nocturnowl
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Conflicting accounts on other m's hard mode....maybe I should just go with Prime 3 again. Never doing hypermode difficulty again though as it wasn't so much hard as it was "Every pirate activates hypermode" annoyance. That and Mogenar took forever.
good to see the 25th anniversary celebrated somewhere. if no one does the series justice, GAF has to step up for the task (hopefully the same is done with F-Zero in 4 years)
many congrats to the OP. most of the little known facts were interesting to read, especially about the devs.
this is my second favorite series of all time behind only F-Zero and ahead of Zelda (i like only half of the games in that series). i've played almost all of the games (only one i have never played is Metroid 2. hopefully the 3DS changes this eventually) and beaten almost all of them (the only ones i have never beaten are NES Metroid and MPHunters).
for me, the bread and butter of the games is the replayability of each game and the speed running/sequence breaking they provide (or just speed running with the linear ones like Fusion and Other M). it is really fun to see how fast you can go and beat the game after knowing it well and also how much you can remember when doing a 100% run since there's usually a few items everyone forgets.
i haven't played Metroid games lately because of Pokemon BW and OoT but i'm sure once Fusion lands on 3DS, i'll be back into the series and improving some of my personal records. this year i only played MP1 once and beat it in one sitting in 2 hours and that's it since i had done a marathon leading to Other M's release and was a bit burned out of too much Metroid running since that.
many congrats to the OP. most of the little known facts were interesting to read, especially about the devs.
this is my second favorite series of all time behind only F-Zero and ahead of Zelda (i like only half of the games in that series). i've played almost all of the games (only one i have never played is Metroid 2. hopefully the 3DS changes this eventually) and beaten almost all of them (the only ones i have never beaten are NES Metroid and MPHunters).
for me, the bread and butter of the games is the replayability of each game and the speed running/sequence breaking they provide (or just speed running with the linear ones like Fusion and Other M). it is really fun to see how fast you can go and beat the game after knowing it well and also how much you can remember when doing a 100% run since there's usually a few items everyone forgets.
i haven't played Metroid games lately because of Pokemon BW and OoT but i'm sure once Fusion lands on 3DS, i'll be back into the series and improving some of my personal records. this year i only played MP1 once and beat it in one sitting in 2 hours and that's it since i had done a marathon leading to Other M's release and was a bit burned out of too much Metroid running since that.
Mailenstein
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Sure, that may be your point of view. But the first person view just doesn't work for me Metroid wise. I tried replaying Prime on the Wii after I borrowed trilogy from a friend, but all I noticed was, how I kept forcing myself playing it. It just isn't the same for me. Not visually and not gameplay wise. Give me the classic 2D sideview pixel goodness like Super Metroid was or keep it.Crunched said:
Electivirus
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Correctomundo said:
I've been playing it all day. Despite a few niggles here and there that I have with it, it's quite enjoyable. I'm in the process of fighting
Nightmare
Metroid Killer
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Yup but Samus still manages to blow up the planet during Fusion. HahahMagicpaint said:
Didn't manage to beat it 'cause I had to return it, but did beat Ridley. It makes the combat system shine, because that's were all of the focus is on since there are no collectibles. Missiles numbers make sense now and so does the concentration move. Cutscenes are skipable and since you already know the whole layout oyu can probably finish it in under 4 hours. Enjoyed it a lot, and there's a clear disctinction between both modes which is a shame they couldn't integrate (normal mode) better with many of the core mechanics.Nocturnowl said:
I definately recommend it though.
Magicpaint
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Metroid Killer said:
Lol yeah...she always makes sure. Samus = Destruction.Crunched said:
Crunched said:
sequence breaks pal. they turn the game into a completely different beast. most of the backtracking is gone.
this should have been posted in the OP's speed running section since MP1 makes for some of the most impressive Metroid speedrunning even if it isn't a TAS.
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