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I dont see anything.Go look, I just gave you the source.
Um okay, peace.Edit; You guys have fun with your championing your favourite billion dollar company thread, I'm out.
I dont see anything.Go look, I just gave you the source.
Um okay, peace.Edit; You guys have fun with your championing your favourite billion dollar company thread, I'm out.
My own take on exclusives is quite simple:
Multiplats are so called "dissatisfiers". They are what players expect. It doesn't make them happier if they are available, just dissatisfied if they are not. See exhibit A) Nintendo.
Exclusives however are "motivators". They maybe not as important as some major 3rd party IPs like FIFA, CoD or GTA when it comes to moving consoles in general , but they really matter when it comes to actually choosing a platform.
I mean, the list did also have N++ and Steins;Gate 0 as exclusive when they aren't...heh
Of course you don't.I dont see anything.
So much blood on the floor.
Can't wait to pull out my Bat-tools to recreate and examine the crimes committed in this thread.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean but you can show it again if that's no trouble.Of course you don't.
That's all well and good for single player games, but the XBOX community is still great and strong for multi. PC gamers tend to be more fickle. The free games are worth $60 a year.
You got nothing. Quote the number if you can I dare you.Keep on trying to push your dream that Xbox isn't profitable even though they've been green ever since like '08 and report their gross margins on yearly financial reports.
Hasnt' there been Gears remake, Gears 4.....Halo MCC, Halo Wars Remake. Halo Wars 2, Halo 5 etc.....Then so far we have had Forza 5. 6 and soon 7....and Horizon 2 and 3 and I guess another pretty soon.For all the flak MS first party get for milking Halo and Gears, there are only 1 mainline Halo and Gears this gen.
Sony will get 2 Uncharted and 2 Knack soon, just saying.
Hasnt' there been Gears remake, Gears 4.....Halo MCC, Halo Wars Remake. Halo Wars 2, Halo 5 etc.....Then so far we have had Forza 5. 6 and soon 7....and Horizon 2 and 3 and I guess another pretty soon.
I believe that microsoft should schedule itself to be able to produce at least 3 first party exclusives per year in which at least one should be AAA. Because they really need to build their exclusives portfolio.
Well for one, MS came out of the gate this generation with two broken legs and a neck brace. Is it really that surprising that they are struggling, especially compared to the system with far more global appeal? I for one am shocked I tell ya. Also, Sony has the luxury of a Japanese market that will eat those games up, and a stable of old japanese IP's they can fall back on dating back to the PS1 before the OG xbox existed. It's not surprising and not necessarily this brilliant strategy lol. With the exception of maybe Bloodborne, MS could release the same line up of games and sales would be pretty poor. And by having so many Japanese games Sony can ultimately stagger their releases more frequently throughout the year. Without all the extra niche games I'm not sure Sony would gamble on releasing their big hitters outside of Q3 and Q4 either. That being said I agree that MS has chosen poorly when to release a lot of their games. Both Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive would have fared a lot better at a different release date.No one, but the purpose of exclusives aren't to sell all exclusives to all gamers. Exclusives are how you capture the margins.
An example: Dark Souls has become a multi-million seller multi-platform game. It was always going to hit both XB1 and PS4 this generation. So Sony beats DS3s' release with Bloodborne, swaying the vast majority of Souls fans toward the PS4.
They then capitalize on it a few years later by working with Tecmo Koei to distribute Nioh worldwide after DS3 is out to further reinforce that if you're a Souls fan the PS4 is where you want to live.
JRPGs - FFXV was going to be on both, and likely PC eventually, but Sony also has Persona 5, Nier, and Ni No Kuni II on the way not to mention other even more fringe exclusives. So JRPG fans aren't even going to look at XB1.
As Sony kept racking up these kinds of marginal advantages both hardware sales and 3rd party sales ratios slanted massively in their favor, to the point now where many of their 2017 third party exclusives weren't even subsidized in a meaningful way, the PS4 is just the default choice and for more and more games supporting Xbox One requires some level of financial merit testing.
Microsoft did something similar with the X360 last generation, cornering the shooter market early thanks to Halo and Gears. At that point even things like competitive CoD were X360 focused. MS just simply let themselves get boxed out nearly across the board by Sony this generation.
I've said it about a dozen times in similar threads. The biggest difference between Sony and MS on first party titles, other than Sony simply having a far larger first party stable, is timing.
MS loads up on the holiday window when every big 3rd party release is already hitting. As a result everything but their headliner titles get drowned out.
Last generation Sony committed hard to a spring, summer, and early fall release focus of their first party titles, getting out of the way of the big holiday 3rd party blitz entirely, and it has paid off amazingly well.
Their first party titles are selling better, especially the more niche ones, they keep interest levels in the platform up year round, and the big early year releases make great bundle fodder for the holidays.
It's simply a superior strategy. The fact that it is teamed with a broader first party stable is just compounding the advantage.
I don't think you understand what the word mainline means.Hasnt' there been Gears remake, Gears 4.....Halo MCC, Halo Wars Remake. Halo Wars 2, Halo 5 etc.....Then so far we have had Forza 5. 6 and soon 7....and Horizon 2 and 3 and I guess another pretty soon.
Oh great, you found revenue for Xbox* ** ***
* includes Minecraft on non-Xbox hardware
* includes "Xbox" game sales on Windows
* includes unspecified other device business (Hololens Lightroom Zune lol)
Like I said, nothing supports your assertions.
Nothing officially released supports a profitable Xbox business. Doesn't even matter if we redefine "Xbox" to bundle up a bunch of things that aren't Xbox. There is no profitability information even for the current umbrella.
Nothing officially released supports Xbox One tracking ahead of Xbox 360 either. They stopped commenting on NPD to that extent late 2014ish.
I don't think you understand what the word mainline means.
Even a failure like Wii U had Bayonetta 2, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker that I needed the system to play. The few interesting XBO games can be played on other systems thus give me no excuse to buy the hardware. It probably is the most soulless and no-personality console ever.
I think barely anyone can think back in 20 years remembering what games or hardware features are tie to the XBO. The Wii U people will at least remember as a system with few cool exclusives and has a controller with a screen.
The XBO is the only console I haven't buy since the PS2 Xbox Gamecube era. I even bought the Wii U despite how few games it had. The XBO has absolutely zero exclusive games that give me an excuse to buy.
Even a failure like Wii U had Bayonetta 2, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker that I needed the system to play. The few interesting XBO games can be played on other systems thus give me no excuse to buy the hardware. It probably is the most soulless and no-personality console ever.
I think barely anyone can think back in 20 years remembering what games or hardware features are tie to the XBO. The Wii U people will at least remember as a system with few cool exclusives and has a controller with a screen.
It's telling that no sources were posted.So what is your point?
Are you claiming that the Xbox division is losing money?
By the way, I can understand that you are in a bad mood as your hopes of Xbox becoming irrelevant get constantly crushed by Microsoft's quarterly earnings reports. But how exactly does it feel having to realize time and time again that reality is not going to grant your wish?
The XBO is the only console I haven't buy since the PS2 Xbox Gamecube era. I even bought the Wii U despite how few games it had. The XBO has absolutely zero exclusive games that give me an excuse to buy.
Even a failure like Wii U had Bayonetta 2, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker that I needed the system to play. The few interesting XBO games can be played on other systems thus give me no excuse to buy the hardware. It probably is the most soulless and no-personality console ever.
I think barely anyone can think back in 20 years remembering what games or hardware features are tie to the XBO. The Wii U people will at least remember as a system with few cool exclusives and has a controller with a screen.
True that. I'm tempted to get an Xbox One S just for that.I wish I had an Xbox for the exclusive 4k Blu-ray player.
I am so happy that I didn't buy an Xbone when Scalebound was announced.
Because if I bought the fucking thing and learned Scalebound was cancelled, I would have genuinely been pissed.
This is insane. I don't even know how to respond this. You even gave the example of indies right after.
Specially when most AAA exclusives people can think of are as safe as they can be. Tell me all about the risks games like Uncharted and Halo are taking.
Yoshida said:Its a hit-driven business. We look at our financial results of the titles, and probably three or four out of ten make money, and maybe one or two make all the money to cover the cost of the others titles. So we have to be able to maintain that hit ratio at a certain level to be able to continue in the business, so we always try to find out and support and help grow the talent. Thats the most important work that I believe myself and some of my management team at worldwide studios are doing.
The only reason why anyone I know owns an xbone is because they had friends that play on xbox live
It must be a regional thing, considering how much more popular PlayStation is across the pond (and less popular Microsoft is).So you don't know anyone who likes Halo, or Forza, or Gears, or Ori, or any of the other Xbox exclusives? I find that kind of strange. You must not know many Xbox gamers.
I know a bunch. They give a wide variety of reasons why they own an Xbox.
But they're not separated in the most important topic which is "being avaliable to be played". Last of Us Remastered and RDR BC had the same purpose - making a great game from previous gens playable on the current one.
If you want to compare libraries to say one console has more options than the others, i don't see how you can't count BC games then. Being a remaster, remake, re-release or BC, the game is still there and you can still play it. Any xbox 360 exclusive which got a BC release doesn't look any different to me as persona 3 or the halo games which got remastered in the end, they're still games you can only play in that same console brand.
Both consoles have tons of games avaliable to them, but obviously PS4 have more. The problem starts when people push this "xbox have no games but halo/forza/gear shooty shoots" and then start ignoring everything else that doesn't fit their very specific criteria.
I feel like we have this discussion every month?
I feel like majority of the poster complaining and participating these discussion does not own Xbox or have any desire to get one
I feel like you hit the nail on the head.
Microsoft's challenge is to rectify this, and these threads turning up regularly highlight what they could do to make it so. A more diverse and compelling range of exclusive software would go a long way.
Right now, and going into 2018, the prospect of a more powerful box to play the same range games isn't looking like it's enough for many.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean but you can show it again if that's no trouble.
Its not hard to look:You got nothing. Quote the number if you can I dare you.
I own one. It hasn't been used for gaming in over a year.And yet would still not convince many of the people here to get one. They've got no intention, regardless of what MS does.
Oh great, you found revenue for Xbox* ** ***
* includes Minecraft on non-Xbox hardware
* includes "Xbox" game sales on Windows
* includes unspecified other device business (Hololens Lightroom Zune lol)
Like I said, nothing supports your assertions.
Nothing officially released supports a profitable Xbox business. Doesn't even matter if we redefine "Xbox" to bundle up a bunch of things that aren't Xbox. There is no profitability information even for the current umbrella.
Nothing officially released supports Xbox One tracking ahead of Xbox 360 either. They stopped commenting on NPD to that extent late 2014ish.
DAT panic mode, and nervousness. The storm is coming King X Nov.7th. DEAL WITH IT.
When you mean to post something on Gamefaqs but accidently select the GAF tab on your internet browser...
Go look, I just gave you the source.
DAT panic mode, and nervousness. The storm is coming King X Nov.7th. DEAL WITH IT.
I recall seeing gross margins for the divisions in consumer, but I've just seen the operating income for the division.Do you have a source where it actually talks about profit by the Xbox division, and not just revenue?
It's telling that no sources were posted.
People arguing Xbox is not losing money does not take away from the fact their first party offerings at the moment is shit, no matter who you compare it to.
They need some new fresh ip's and to start pumping them out if they want Xbox to thrive. It's a valid complInt and everything else is just noise.
When you mean to post something on Gamefaqs but accidently select the GAF tab on your internet browser...
I mean...what has been asked for hasn't been provided. Because it's not available, that's not the fault of anyone here.Its not hard to look:
Operating Income of the Personal Cloud and Computing Division was 6.1bn for 2016.
It also has the same info in the quarterlies.
I know the next thing you're both going to say.
Nadella constantly calls it profitableDo you have a source where it actually talks about profit by the Xbox division, and not just revenue?
I mean...what has been asked for hasn't been provided. Because it's not available, that's not the fault of anyone here.
But I can tell this is probably going to keep going back and forth so I'll end my participation in the 'profit' conversation from here.
There you go.