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MS: 'This (conference) was the part of E3 people dont like', E3 Focused On Games
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Most of the bad publicity isn't from the terrible conference but the anti-consumer crap MS announced after it and the console's mediocre-at-best specs. So even if your strawman was accurate you'd still be wrong.
FairXchange
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I'm not outraged at the lack of games, they always maintained that the games would be shown at E3. I'm just dissatisfied with the reportedly weaker hardware. Now I have very little driving me to a X1. I use regular analog cable, don't watch any TV. So yeah, I need a robust games system and PS4 is communicating that much better.
immortal-joe
Member
I wont do it, but part of me wants (or wishes someone else would) start a thread to raise this key question:
Will any detractors (me included) admit to crawling back to XONE when the inevitable sea of exclusives are announced at E3.
Let me reiterate my thoughts from other threads, I'll bet my left arm that Microsoft will still maintain every ounce of marketshare they gained with 360, and can only go up. They're too aggressive to fail.
I was just curious about how others will react when the games come.
I for one want to think I can hold out.
Will any detractors (me included) admit to crawling back to XONE when the inevitable sea of exclusives are announced at E3.
Let me reiterate my thoughts from other threads, I'll bet my left arm that Microsoft will still maintain every ounce of marketshare they gained with 360, and can only go up. They're too aggressive to fail.
I was just curious about how others will react when the games come.
I for one want to think I can hold out.
I said it before and i'll say it again, this is what they should do from now on. I know they are proud of their little Apps and NFL deals and that is great. Have a separate show a week before just for that stuff and go on and on about it all they like. Save E3 for the games.
Just like MS is all we have to keep Sony from taking over gaming. Competition is always a good thing.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I think that this reveal, inherently reveals their strategy. Of course they will have games on E3. But the focus on the all-in-one entertainment box seems their primary goal rather than a console.
Sony seems to want to build that all-in-one entertaiment box but focussing on games. PS4 is a console at is core and then a entertainment box. Xbone looks a entertainment box at is core and then a console.
Sony seems to want to build that all-in-one entertaiment box but focussing on games. PS4 is a console at is core and then a entertainment box. Xbone looks a entertainment box at is core and then a console.
Delicious Waffles
Member
This is what I've been saying in other threads.
If there's something at E3 that really peaks the interest of one of these anti-Microsoft posters, I can bet they'll drop their tirade and be the first in line on day one.
In what way are the specs mediocre at best?
They chose to reveal the console and 2 weeks later reveal the games. It isn't that big of a deal to wait 2 more weeks is it?
I personally won't.
I definitely think they won't keep the same amount of marketshare they gained with the 360. In fact, I think it will have a terrible start since the informed/core gamers are the ones who will buy it at launch. I believe many of them won't be going for this kind of BS. They can definitely still change it and make it consumer-friendly, but I don't see MS doing that.
This was known before the event so no.
we.are.the.armada
Member
If one of my PR reps said this on record I'd fire their ass.
They were specifically referring to people like us on GAF, the reveal was aimed at the average CoD player, which out number us greatly.
I didn't think it was a bad conference in terms of showing all the other media stuff it can do and leaving the game portion for E3.
However the fact that there is confusion among different talking heads from MS about how video games will function on their system and hearing that it hasn't been set in stone yet is concerning to me. They should have been prepared for those questions and had a clear response ready instead of this evasion and mixed messages.
Actually most won't because it is the anti-consumer DRM that upsets people the most. I don't care if god developed a new halo game I am not buying a system that is this anti-consumer. Nope not going to pay 59.99 for a long term rental that has to be checked in every 24 hours to big brother.
HigherLevel
Member
This statement is funny. So MS is saying they realize nobody likes the focus on multimedia stuff? Why focus on it so much then if nobody likes it?
People do like it, the people they were trying to reach yesterday.
The average CoD player that would watch a Spike TV Xbox Reveal...
Also even though I'm a huge gamer I like the media stuff too... most people are just pissed that the focus at the event wasn't games which we knew before hand.
He's talking to giantbomb, a video game site, and he knows that a lot of gamers complain when any non-gaming stuff is brought up.
Jacksonlee
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reminds me of Shakespeare plays.
Palette Swap
Member
Yup. It's not like they had a gun to their head that forced them to start with these aspects.
This and the constant bumbling and backpedaling on hard but incredibly predictable issues reeks of poor preparation TBH.
To put it more simply, a lot of people didn't expect much but they somehow managed to underdeliver.
How did you get that from that statement?
His own personal fanboyism.
It's clear what Microsoft was trying to do at the reveal even if 90% of GAF doesn't want to open their eyes to it.
What would have made it not shit to you?
we.are.the.armada
Member
I dunno, I think it's an indication that people are comfortable underselling the "average CoD" as some idiot that doesn't give a shit about:
- not being able to play used games
- questionable function of used/rental games
- always on kinect camera function
- 24 hour mandatory update check
Also, these are what seem to be what are turning people off - not necessarily MS's lack of any new games to show.
Basically saying, "hey, no biggie, our reveal was for idiots that are easily fooled" is not good at all. Respect the customer.
How is it a excuse to say GAF didn't like a reveal because we knew it was going to be entertainment focused before hand with not many games.
In fact most people didn't think we would get as many games that we did.
You would think GAF would be happy that the entertainment stuff is now out of the way and E3 will be more focused on us.
This I definitely agree with.
Did you event watch the reveal? None of those things were mentioned at the reveal for a reason.
Also I'm not defending them, the only thing that is holding me to Xbox right now are my fingers grasping for a new Forza.
So then there will be zero services talk at E3? I really somewhat doubt that as they have not gone into any major details about the new Xbox Live yet. Will stuff like Netflix, Facebook,Hulu still be locked behind a paywall? Which XBL features are getting an upgrade? How will they work?
I really doubt E3 is just going to be a string of game announcements, and even then the first thing I thought when they said 15 exclusives was how many are kinect games? How many are XBLA games? I dont doubt they will have some solid announcements that can muster some excitment for the Xbone, but with their clear focus I think its easy to assume there will be a connect focus for many of their announcements.
I really doubt E3 is just going to be a string of game announcements, and even then the first thing I thought when they said 15 exclusives was how many are kinect games? How many are XBLA games? I dont doubt they will have some solid announcements that can muster some excitment for the Xbone, but with their clear focus I think its easy to assume there will be a connect focus for many of their announcements.
Some games. No anti-consumer drm. No compulsory Kinect. I'll stop there because you don't care anyway.
It was a mistake to show what they did as a first impression of a games console.
keltickennedy
Member
I for one am holding judgement till after E3. I didn't expect Microsoft to really reveal any games with it being so close to E3. So far from the two events that were shown, I am leaning more towards a PS4.
I get why a lot of people are upset over the used games stuff and security issues. I really never buy used games and don't like lending my games out to friends. So I really don't have an issue with it. Even with that said, Microsoft really has to bring the heat in the games department to get my full attention.
I get why a lot of people are upset over the used games stuff and security issues. I really never buy used games and don't like lending my games out to friends. So I really don't have an issue with it. Even with that said, Microsoft really has to bring the heat in the games department to get my full attention.
Puppet Shadow
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Us during E3:
Where are the new game announcements? We've seen all these before! Sony just won!
I woke up yesterday hyped, went to bed pissed off, but now I'm starting to recognize Microsoft's biggest fuckup wasn't the hardware they chose, the lack of games shown or the fact that you need to be an NFL loving American to really get full use out of the XB One, it's that they suck at how they communicated their message with us, and with people within their own fucking organization.
Damn, ok I'm still pissed.
Their clear focus was said before the event even happened, Aaron Greenburg said this would be a hardware/UI/entertainment event with a few games and that E3 is going to be where the games are shown.
In fact after the Xbox Reveal I remember someone saying that their lineup will be shown at E3.
So you can see in the future? Please do tell...
Also it's already confirmed that there are 8 new IPs and we only saw one at the Xbox Reveal.
Killing_Joke
Member
Let's show a bunch of stuff people don't want to see. That's one way to do it.
At this point are the games even a problem anymore? We all know the games are coming. Common sense. Its the used DRM and required online that's pure BS. Such a turn off for me. Until i get a clear cut answer on those subjects i don't care what exclusives they're making.
Plus they did this "15 exclusives" spin at the Kinect reveal. 8 exclusives! All Kinect nonsense. lol So i'm lowering my expectations.
At this point are the games even a problem anymore? We all know the games are coming. Common sense. Its the used DRM and required online that's pure BS. Such a turn off for me. Until i get a clear cut answer on those subjects i don't care what exclusives they're making.
Plus they did this "15 exclusives" spin at the Kinect reveal. 8 exclusives! All Kinect nonsense. lol So i'm lowering my expectations.
Zen_Arcade
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The problem is most of the features they showed already have alternatives. I can check my fantasy team on the many portable devices I own, not to mention that scroll those stats along the bottom of the screen during football games. I already have a remote to switch inputs between TV and games. Also, I will probably have to pay an annual fee over my cable bill just to watch TV and clutter up my TV by looking at twitter while I'm watching a movie.
Also none of these features even apply to people outside of America at launch.
The point is that you use the Xbox to eliminate the need for other devices.
I still don't understand why they didn't do a live demo of just one game. I was expecting CoD or Forza but both were just trailers. Literally one game running on the console that shows off what it can do and maybe some of the OS features at the same time would have made things much easier to tolerate.
Puppet Shadow
Member
This should have been the first thing out of their mouths when the conference started.
The XBox One will be the must have gaming device later this year, and we have a record number of studios working on new games, and eight new IP's... all of which we will be showing you during E3 in just a few weeks! Today, we'd like to show you not just the hardware, but also what else the XBox One will do to expand your entertainment experience™!
I remember the past. You don't remember the Nintendo conference? This is exactly what happened.
We've seen that trailer already, we already guessed the studio was working on that franchise, that was already rumoured... it was leaked last week, where's the new stuff!
It's just how the internet rolls.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
But I already own those other devices, and they're useful outside of the things I mentioned. I haven't been itching for a reason to throw away my phone and laptop. Why would anyone with a phone/laptop/tablet/remote control throw all of those things to the wayside to buy a (Probably at least $400) device that they need to pay an additional fee for just to get the same functionality they already have at my fingertips?
Maybe there's some truth to them being way behind on development. I always thought it was strange they let Sony reveal all those months ago and sat silently by.