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[CrimzonSamurai]

Ah, bronx, I'm glad I could witness this glory.

Fair winds, man.

 

[Complicated]

NeoGAF is definitely not that place anymore. It only seemed that way because all the shitheels defending Evilore and attacking women and minorities right now were too cowardly to let their ideas speak for themselves.

All the people who made gaf worthwhile will move on. The industry veterans and insiders will never post here again. It's over and it's entirely Evilore's doing.

 

[Ben Ghazi]

This forum ain't worth shit anymore.

Ban me.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

You were banned because you rightfully acknowledged that rap barely qualifies as music? What was the reasoning?

To say "NeoGAF does" is always a bit fishy. Most posters, myself included, probably do, though.

He was being disingenuous. His critique was that it "raped his ears."

 

[a.wd]

I thought those people were going to the gaf-lite boards.

It's funny that GAF is supposed to be a little liberal oasis in a sea of gamergate, AltRight sickness taking over the internet, but all of those garbage posters were just lying in wait.

Then you have the other half committing account suicide as way to earn legit street cred for their friends.

To all those people: nobody knew who you were before, nobody will miss you when you're gone.

The thing that I liked most about this place was it was unapologetically progressive. And fuck off if you were hating on minorities, sexes, religions etc.

I understand that some people think that moderation was bad, but heres my thing, the internet has Reddit, 4chan and other dark and horrible places where you get to spout racist mysogynistic shit for the lulz fam. There are places where there are a number of robust and documented ways to sort out doxxing and groups will setup properly structured pile ons where they will go after people with the swiftness.

Gaf was a little oasis in all that. A place where you could talk video games and other subjects without fear that if there was someone having a meltdown they would be escorted from the building.

I like the fact that they follow the same rules on Gaf that we would at a Pub, civil discourse that eventually leads to reasoned banter that is approprioate becausxe everyone is in on the joke.

The Evilore thing seems like there was just a series of people who were chomping at the bit to be anti SJW/Pro Gamergate and whilst they loved the intelligence and discourse they couldn't stand the fact that people who said things that they agreed with were getting banned, as it made them feel like their opinions were not welcome.

And reasoned debate is not something that is lacking here, having someone turn around and tell you your opinion is not well founded and comes from a place of unconcious bias should afford you the chance for self reflection.

So please make sure that you crack down on abusers and people who are trying to reduce a conversation down to "my shitty viewpoint is different to your reasoned argument and is therefore still valid".

We don't need gaf to be anything other than Gaf, with some very small tweaks but really, lets keep protections for minority groups as this is one place on the internet that we can all have a chat about things that we love and we know that it is strictly protected.

 

[rackham]

This forum ain't worth shit anymore.

Ban me.

Join Date: 07-28-2015
Posts
Total Posts: 83 (0.10 posts per day)

Another amazing community member leaving here folks.

 

[riskVSreward]

you've said "virtue signaling" like 5 times in this thread, which is both a buzzword and ascribed motives to it's target, the things you're complaining about

What I mean is saying shit to sound good and not really doing anything but trying to look like a moral superior to someone. It's a way to communicate with like-minded individuals that you are disassociating with someone or something and it comes off cultish IMO. It's nauseating.

Mods thought this scandal was 100% real, or at least thought for sure it would be perceived as 100% real, so they got out ahead of any action by Tyler to preemptively look like such great people, such bastions of humanity because they are morally against rape. Everyone is against rape, get over yourself.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

What I mean is saying shit to sound good and not really doing anything but trying to look like a moral superior to someone. It's a way to communicate with like-minded individuals that you are disassociating with someone or something and it comes off cultish IMO. It's nauseating.

Mods thought this scandal was 100% real, or at least thought for sure it would be perceived as 100% real, so they got out ahead of any action by Tyler to preemptively look like such great people, such bastions of humanity because they are morally against rape. Everyone is against rape, get over yourself.

Damn, the gamergaters really dislike respect.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

The biggest issue was how those with opinions that didn’t go with the majority were treated even when posting in a reasonable manner.

Was quite easily the biggest issue in both the OT and Gaming.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Not talking about the issues is just as worse, if not worst than actively being against it. You're willingly being complicit in the former. The status quo before the civil rights era and today's LGBT rights fight were for minorities and LGBT folks to stay quiet and know their place.

 

[Sotha Sil]

It's a way to communicate with like-minded individuals that you are disassociating with someone or something and it comes off cultish IMO. It's nauseating.

You're still talking about "virtue signaling" right?

 

[Alienfan]

The thing that I liked most about this place was it was unapologetically progressive. And fuck off if you were hating on minorities, sexes, religions etc.

I understand that some people think that moderation was bad, but heres my thing, the internet has Reddit, 4chan and other dark and horrible places where you get to spout racist mysogynistic shit for the lulz fam. There are places where there are a number of robust and documented ways to sort out doxxing and groups will setup properly structured pile ons where they will go after people with the swiftness.

Gaf was a little oasis in all that. A place where you could talk video games and other subjects without fear that if there was someone having a meltdown they would be escorted from the building.

I like the fact that they follow the same rules on Gaf that we would at a Pub, civil discourse that eventually leads to reasoned banter that is approprioate becausxe everyone is in on the joke.

The Evilore thing seems like there was just a series of people who were chomping at the bit to be anti SJW/Pro Gamergate and whilst they loved the intelligence and discourse they couldn't stand the fact that people who said things that they agreed with were getting banned, as it made them feel like their opinions were not welcome.

And reasoned debate is not something that is lacking here, having someone turn around and tell you your opinion is not well founded and comes from a place of unconcious bias should afford you the chance for self reflection.

So please make sure that you crack down on abusers and people who are trying to reduce a conversation down to "my shitty viewpoint is different to your reasoned argument and is therefore still valid".

We don't need gaf to be anything other than Gaf, with some very small tweaks but really, lets keep protections for minority groups as this is one place on the internet that we can all have a chat about things that we love and we know that it is strictly protected.

Agreed. GAFs moderation was unquie, even if it generated a couple of false positives here and there (moderating 190,000 people will do that). It was a place where PoC, queer folk and other minorities could feel safe (at least compared to other forums), and bigotry wasn't tolerated full stop. There's now a giant hole where GAF use to sit, it will be interesting to see what fills it, hell maybe GAF will fill it again.

Closing down LGBT, PoC and mental health off topic communities (that literally saved lives) might be one of the worst things to happen out of all this

 

[riskVSreward]

Damn, the gamergaters really dislike respect.

I literally do not know what you mean by a gamergator. I ignored all of those threads for over a year until I finally felt compelled to see what it was all about, had a laugh, and never gave it another care.

What you are doing is labeling me with a buzzword that has a greater context to like-minded individuals so that they know how to perceive me and how to interpret my words.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

The scandal is real.

Try effectively communicating and maybe you wouldn't be so easily labeled.

 

[NikuNashi]

Neogaf is backup

 

[riskVSreward]

But all that junior fear gives you all the more chutzpah when you finally rank up!

 

[Subpar Spatula]

I literally do not know what you mean by a gamergator. I ignored all of those threads for over a year until I finally felt compelled to see what it was all about, had a laugh, and never gave it another care.

What you are doing is labeling me with a buzzword that has a greater context to like-minded individuals so that they know how to perceive me and how to interpret my words.

Just accept and announce what you are. You'll feel happier.

 

[riskVSreward]

Just accept and announce what you are. You'll feel happier.

Label me as you will dude, I don't care and I'm betting it won't work anymore too.

 

[metalslimer]

It's amazing how in a thread dedicated respect for minorities you are whining about echo chambers.

Haha you deleted your old post. Dont worry it probably wouldn't have gotten you banned anyway

 

[PaulExcellent]

Neogaf is backup

Not big enough to keep your old post?
Come on now, complain about the echo chamber.
This is the thread, after all.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Label me as you will dude, I don't care and I'm betting it won't work anymore too.

Well, yeah, you can finally be that angry, bitter person you hid for so long. :3

It's OK, you still won't have the respect of the people you admire.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Label me as you will dude, I don't care and I'm betting it won't work anymore too.

Like seriously you're going so far out of your way to be vague and subversive why don't you just let your flag fly?

 

[RastaMentality]

i'm still a bit shaken up but talking about things with this community has really helped

i'm going to go to bed, hopefully i'll feel better in the morning

 

[titiklabingapat]

It's amazing how in a thread dedicated respect for minorities you are whining about echo chambers.

It's like a textbook example of obfuscation and sowing discord, a prime strategy if you want to muddle the issue. Nahhhhh! That cant be!

 

[eBay Huckster]

The "echo chamber" comments are always hilarious. People who type that have never been in a real internet echo chamber of either the left or right variety. There was a genuine diversity of opinions even in the predominantly left-leaning community of Off-Topic users.

The website being based in the US is going to reflect the nature of US politics, in which conservative views are aligned with bigotry and deliberate ignorance. Plenty of international conservatives, moderates, libertarians, etc. posted in Off-Topic because their social views were not abhorrent. People who were genuinely willing to learn framed their posts as inquiries or open discussion instead of baiting or shit-posting.

My views have been challenged plenty without my rights as a racial minority questioned.

hell, poligaf was literally clinton central and we didn't manage to run metaphoreus off the site, and that was with him cheerleading cases like King v. Burwell

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

You're all lucky that this was a US left echo chamber.

If I'd had my way it would have been more pure socialism.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Agreed. GAFs moderation was unquie, even if it generated a couple of false positives here and there (moderating 190,000 people will do that). It was a place where PoC, queer folk and other minorities could feel safe (at least compared to other forums), and bigotry wasn't tolerated full stop. There's now a giant hole where GAF use to sit, it will be interesting to see what fills it, hell maybe GAF will fill it again.

Closing down LGBT, PoC and mental health off topic communities (that literally saved lives) might be one of the worst things to happen out of all this

Yeah. This "lets just play games and have fun" direction is nonsense.

If anything, NeoGAF should be doubling down on leftism, just looking at how the vultures are sweeping in

 

[Krelian91]

Join Date: 07-28-2015
Posts
Total Posts: 83 (0.10 posts per day)

Another amazing community member leaving here folks.

Congratulations, you just demonstrated the shitty, toxic "lololol fuck you junior" mentality that made this forum exactly the giant pile of dung that it is.

 

[weekev]

Which women is it that GAF will respect? Just those of sound mind? Or only those agreeable to the owners advances?

 

[PaulExcellent]

Just be honest with yourselves, guys.
Say you hate the SJW agenda and how the forum was held back cause of it.
Say you hate the way you've had to hold back in here until now since it's finally being cleaned.
Say you hate the way that Off-Topic dealt with minority discussions and how they didn't let you express yourself.

It's all about the games, right?

Don't back out now, peeps.

 

[riskVSreward]

Like seriously you're going so far out of your way to be vague and subversive why don't you just let your flag fly?

There's literally no reasoning with you, how can I convince you I don't give a shit about "ethics in gaming journalism" or whatever the hell "gamergator" is supposed to imply? How could I present that case in a way that would satisfy you?

 

[Mr.Fletcher]

The biggest issue was how those with opinions that didn’t go with the majority were treated even when posting in a reasonable manner.

Was quite easily the biggest issue in both the OT and Gaming.

Completely agree. I've always enjoyed talking about games on Gaf, but anything off-topic or even remotely polictical was something to avoid.

This forum swings too far left for its own good if you ask me. I'm a remainer whose only ever voted for Labour, but some of the abuse I've seen some people suffer because of their more conservative views is scandalous.

I've seen people get dog-piled and attacked to an extreme I'm not comfortable with.

I came on Gaf the day after Brexit and found myself defending people who voted to leave because the torrent of anger they were being subjected too.

Like you say, this 'many against one' mentality rears its head on the gaming side from time to time, but I felt the off-topic section had generally become pretty toxic unless you agreed with the concensous.

And this comes from someone who generally agreed with this consenous.

 

[metalslimer]

Completely agree. I've always enjoyed talking about games on Gaf, but anything off-topic or even remotely polictical was something to avoid.

This forum swings too far left for its own good if you ask me. I'm a remainer whose only ever voted for Labour, but some of the abuse I've seen some people suffer because of their more conservative views is scandalous.

I've seen people get dog-piled and attacked to an extreme I'm not comfortable with.

I came on Gaf the day after Brexit and found myself defending people who voted to leave because the torrent of anger they were being subjected too.

Like you say, this 'many against one' mentality rears its head on the gaming side from time to time, but I felt the off-topic section had generally become pretty toxic unless you agreed with the concensous.

And this comes from someone who generally agreed with this consenous.

Why are you whining about this in a thread about minorities? Jesus

 

[FinalAres]

To say "NeoGAF does" is always a bit fishy. Most posters, myself included, probably do, though.

Yay you're still here!

I was a bit nervous about coming back if everyone was gone.

On topic. NEOGAF did have a problem. Only a specific set of views were tolerated. I've always thought of myself as very left wing, but reading the witch hunts threads made me feel like I was some sort of alt right arsehole (exaggeration). I decided to avoid any politically charged threads, but I'm glad I no longer have to.

I will miss being able to talk about gaming issues that were political in nature, hopefully that will be okay or at least become okay on the future.

EDIT: okay actually not that on topic. Sorry!

 

[RinsFury]

It makes me sad to see how many posters are revealing their true colors tonight.

 

[T.O.P]

How could I present that case in a way that would satisfy you?

There isn't, you are just getting baited for ban, been like this for a long time now

 

[see5harp]

I been Jr'ed going on 5 years for making threads about 4K gaming on a gaming site with no explanation of what I did wrong. And got banned twice because other people brought up my post about fp16 even in a thread that was about fp16 & in the end we got 4K games this generation & PS4 Pro is 8.4TF fp16.

I've been punished for being right & I think I know why.

Spoiler

It's because I have dimples

We're all just scared of your guns man.

 

[Yoshi]

What hope is there exactly when any kind of talk that would support women/minorities/LGBT will now be banned on this site?

Not only that, but so many good people have left the site. What kind of "community" are we now?

I did not understand the new rules this way. I guess you are still free to post "representation in games" threads. In fact, I do not think that political discussions were a big problem at GAF, e.g. the German and Austrian federal election threads were civil and varied. What was problematic was a partially mod-supported mob-mentality with certain issues, where whole teams were antagonised for (alleged) misbehaviour of single team members and the very broad definition of bannable positions on anything that has to do with gender topics. Often, even lack of understanding was construed as hateful behaviour, which is creating a very tense atmosphere.

For now it probably is best to keep Off Topic closed for a while until the dust settles, because there are still a lot of people who want to make their disgust for NeoGAF known and probably also a strong influx of people with very questionable agendas as well, so it is good to contain the discussion a bit to the core topcis, but I hope that the banned topics can be opened for discussion later on.

Also, even though I had my fair share of issues with moderation (I think I was banned three times?), I want to still say they did a good job overall, especially in purely game based topics. I'd also like to highlight Cyan, who was very responsive and reasonable when any issues arose.

 

[Mr.Fletcher]

Why are you whining about this in a thread about minorities? Jesus

Not whining, just throwing my opinion out there about minority opinions on the forum...

Which I suppose isn't strictly within the remit of this thread (I read it wrong!).

My apologies!

 

[kess]

Tyler Malka has his safe space

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

There's literally no reasoning with you, how can I convince you I don't give a shit about "ethics in gaming journalism" or whatever the hell "gamergator" is supposed to imply? How could I present that case in a way that would satisfy you?

Well, 1. I'm not accusing you specifically of being a GG person, just that you seem inordinately pleased about a ban of political and social issues being discussed on gaf

and 2. you haven't even made an attempt to reason, you just keep being like "you know nothing about me, how dare you take my cryptic self-adulating attitude as anything other than the fullest support for the rights of women and other minority groups."

 

[Ac30]

hell, poligaf was literally clinton central and we didn't manage to run metaphoreus off the site, and that was with him cheerleading cases like King v. Burwell

Him and I are on complete opposite ends of the political spectrum but I enjoyed his occasional posts on Congressional processes.

Has PoliGAF OT Community migrated elsewhere? I miss the regulars already.

 

[riskVSreward]

It makes me sad to see how many posters are revealing their true colors tonight.

Imagine that I just mean what I'm saying for 60 seconds. Imagine I'm being 100% honest from here on.

I've been here a long time, and I was a lurker for a few years too. The entire essence of the site got soul-sucked by a selection of mods and users who drove off a lot of the cool and interesting people because they didn't necessarily have 100% agreement on every possible moral quandary.

The whole time I've been here the site has had a primarily left-slant and it was never an issue until it was infested with rigid identity politics a few years ago. I've already expressed this but Gaf just got more and more insular and it finally exploded when the owner became the next target of the agenda driven contingent of the userbase. It's a classic case of "the left eating itself" I mean, it's textbook.

We don't need to make pariahs of people that disagree with us on political issues, it's counterproductive. Rational people can be debated, they can carry a discussion. At the end of the day, it's okay to disagree. Some of the most interesting people I've met have zany views on particular things, it's okay.

Should I qualify myself by saying I'm left leaning? Nah, no one's gonna accept me at my word. Ask me about guns. Ask me about abortion. Ask me about who I voted for. Nah. Just throw buzzwords at me, it's easier.

 

[Filth]

There's literally no reasoning with you, how can I convince you I don't give a shit about "ethics in gaming journalism" or whatever the hell "gamergator" is supposed to imply? How could I present that case in a way that would satisfy you?

echo chamber bro, tread lightly.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Imagine that I just mean what I'm saying for 60 seconds. Imagine I'm being 100% honest from here on.

I've been here a long time, and I was a lurker for a few years too. The entire essence of the site got soul-sucked by a selection of mods and users who drove off a lot of the cool and interesting people because they didn't necessarily have 100% agreement on every possible moral quandary.

The whole time I've been here the site has had a primarily left-slant and it was never an issue until it was infested with rigid identity politics a few years ago. I've already expressed this but Gaf just got more and more insular and it finally exploded when the owner became the next target of the agenda driven contingent of the userbase. It's a classic case of "the left eating itself" I mean, it's textbook.

We don't need to make pariahs of people that disagree with us on political issues, it's counterproductive. Rational people can be debated, they can carry a discussion. At the end of the day, it's okay to disagree. Some of the most interesting people I've met have zany views on particular things, it's okay.

Should I qualify myself by saying I'm left leaning? Nah, no one's gonna accept me at my word. Ask me about guns. Ask me about abortion. Ask me about who I voted for. Nah. Just throw buzzwords at me, it's easier.

This is the first time you've attempted to convey anything other than smugness, and it actually helps.

You're still wrong about Tyler's misdeeds but hey at least I actually have an identifiable sense of where you're coming from now.

 

[Link]

It makes me sad to see how many posters are revealing their true colors tonight.

Similar to when Trump won, they come out of the woodwork when they feel it's now safe to be honest.

 

[riskVSreward]

This is the first time you've attempted to convey anything other than smugness, and it actually helps.

You're still wrong about Tyler's misdeeds but hey at least I actually have an identifiable sense of where you're coming from now.

Now would you agree that you primarily labelled me incorrectly in a knee jerk manner? Or, at least, felt compelled to label me incorrectly? This is the attitude that was spawned by these people. They are gone now, I can only hope the attitude dissipates with time.

 

[PaulExcellent]

Reading the posts here makes me 100% sure that the title of this thread is complete bollocks.
But what the hell do I know. Guess I'm part of the echo chamber.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

i'm still a bit shaken up but talking about things with this community has really helped

i'm going to go to bed, hopefully i'll feel better in the morning

Before you go, what's your thoughts on my username?

And if you need me for any psychic services, I'd be glad to help: be aware though, I can only see up to six years in the future, not a month, a week, a day further.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

This is the first time you've attempted to convey anything other than smugness, and it actually helps.

You're still wrong about Tyler's misdeeds but hey at least I actually have an identifiable sense of where you're coming from now.

You believe his lies. He says "at the end of the day it's OK to disagree."

People were allowed to disagree. You just have to articulate it well. You're dealing with a gamergater FYI. He doesn't care about discussion. He only became this active because of all this and wants to rub it in.

You're falling for it.