Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Not liking clinton doesn't mean voting for trump,
You don't even have compulsory voting like us in australia.
You don't even have compulsory voting like us in australia.
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New GOP National Poll. 1st Place: Trump - 41%. 2nd Place: Carson - 12%.
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But vote for people who don't...?
Hint: He wasn't trying to endorse the Nazis.
OrbitalBeard
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I don't understand how Clinton would be a mistake but Trump would be this great success story. Like, if you can't stand Hilary Clinton, just stay home. How can someone honestly think Donald Trump will improve this country, the lives of its citizens (particularly immigrants and minorities), and our standing in the world?
Amazing how your code is so simple and yet you're already planning on failing at it.
I saw the fascist minority hating tendencies of the republican party a long time ago, I'm glad more people are waking up I guess.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
That code is not a useful way of living at all.
If morality could be boiled down to 'do the right thing' the world would be a much better place. Everyone's definition of right is different, sometimes there is no good answer.
It seems to be some bizarre wish for a paradigm shift in national politics that Trump is supposed to deliver. It's the only thing that links him with Bernie because their stated policy positions are pretty much chalk and cheese.
Any change is good change. He might try to deport 11 million people and void a bunch of US citizens rights if he thinks they're Muslim, but also something might be done about campaign finance reform..?
shadowsdarknes
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If you have some political positions that clearly fall along a certain line, I don't see what the Clinton's would do that would any worse than having Republicans controlling Congress and the White House and then stacking 8 years worth of Republican justices.
With the right justices on the bench, we might actually see some real changes regarding campaign finance, gay and lesbian rights, etc.
Or we could have Republicans stacking the courts to regress LGBT rights and further open the gates to looser campaign laws.
They will do nothing for climate change. Rip apart all forms of welfare.
But you don't like the Clinton's? Are you even progressive? Because if you don't like Hillary for her foreign policy positions or her ties to big money on Wall Street, there's really no better alternative on the right.
Democracy: An infection that spreads through propaganda creating the illusion that voters have a voice.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Are you for real
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Trump may not have a winning chance, but I'm somewhat worried about his potential to turn the GOP into a neofascist party with some mainstream appeal in the same vein as France's National Front.
Honestly, I'm rather worried about what the future may be holding for the GOP. Best case scenario, Trump goes independent and the crazier wingnuts break away from the party. Worst one, the GOP panders to them just like they pandered to the Tea Party and ends up eating itself.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The real problem with Trump is that he makes the wackos in the GOP look moderate by comparison.
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so GOP is basically becoming a neofascist party against the will of everyone but Trump and his supporters?
Miles Quaritch
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Unless those people making such claims actually like and agree with Trump and are using a pathetic excuse to justify it to others.
I can't generalize I apologize, but this rule does apply for my home country (Mexico) and many others. Trump being in first place reflects the idea of propaganda doing its work.
You could make this case between Hillary and Rubio, but not between Bernie and Trump, who are each the exact opposite of the other. Trump is exactly what the Sanders campaign is mobilized around combating. Trump is a billionaire plutocrat who is motivated exclusively by a desire for personal gain. The whole message of Sanders is based around criticism of the excesses of billionaire plutocrats and the fact that they do everything for personal gain.
This is a position that is only "independent" in the sense that it was clearly conceived entirely independent of reason and logic.
Miles Quaritch
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Don't vote.
This is a good thing! It truly exposes that party for what it truly is! Hopefully the media at large finally realizes that and doesn't play that both sides are the same garbage. But they probably will until the bitter end. Act like it's only a small niche that supports Trump when that's the fucking base of the party that's eating up everything he says. Poor, racist, gun-toting, uneducated whites. And they're damn proud of it.
Yes, it's scary but it's fucking reality. These people exist and they're as American as anyone else. Now what do you do about it? What does that say about America? You can't sweep it under the rug, you can't ignore it.
Just look at the idiots in this thread that say they'd vote for Trump over Hilary. Like are you fucking serious!? Jesus fucking Christ. I don't get it. I really don't. How do you go from supporting Bernie to fucking Trump? It makes zero sense.
Yes, it's scary but it's fucking reality. These people exist and they're as American as anyone else. Now what do you do about it? What does that say about America? You can't sweep it under the rug, you can't ignore it.
Just look at the idiots in this thread that say they'd vote for Trump over Hilary. Like are you fucking serious!? Jesus fucking Christ. I don't get it. I really don't. How do you go from supporting Bernie to fucking Trump? It makes zero sense.
Funky Papa
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And provides a platform that legitimates hate speech in the mainstream.
This Trump idiocy needs to be nipped at the bud. Even if Democrats steamroll the elections, there's a distinct chance that he may galvanize America's far right and push it into the spotlight far further than the Tea Party ever did. And did the Tea Party play a number on America's politics.
Trump may inflict a tremendous amount of damage to America even if he loses. This needs to be addressed by both parties, the sooner the better. The real question is if the GOP's old guard has the will and the political capital to go to war against Trump, or if it prefers to ride on the success of his populism in a short-sighted, desperate attempt at retaining its dying demographics while something else happens.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Its hard to find real Trump supporters on here, there are plenty at my job, on Twitter and Facebook though. You get the people that will say well I hate the Clintons so I will choose Trump over Hilary when the best case scenario for that person is just to not vote. Vote for Trump because you support his ideas not because you hate Clintons.
DragonSworne
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The only way to beat Trump is to nominate Bernie. Hillary on the ticket is a loss against Trump.
BolognaSoup
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It's almost like he's banking on in so he can go full blown "See I told you so!!! You stupid people!"
How you live your life is completely irrelevant to how the rest of the country lives theirs. If you want "do the right humane thing" to have a meaningful impact and actually affect people beyond the ones you interact with day to day, then you have to vote for the elected official -- be it president, congressperson, governor, mayor, etc -- who embodies that and will carry that into law. And Trump is not that person.
I don't know man. The Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage is a direct result of democratic influence on the Supreme Court justices. Things DO happen and change based on who is in charge, and this change can be sped up.... Or slowed down
What do you want to change? You mention that you can't take another 8 years. What do you want specifically to happen in the next 8 years? Is another stab at healthcare reform to main thing?
Thunder Monkey
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SenorPopOff
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The second portion is a truth that most minorities have known about America for a very long time. It's about time the rest of the country noticed it.
That's what I thought. Not sure what the White House is referring to.
nature boy
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How the F is he so far ahead when he's spent almost no money?
The media are hypocrites.
The media are hypocrites.
zero shift
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I'm laughing at all the people who are allowing themselves to be trolled by the "Trump supporters" in this thread.
it's just a figure of speech, common in politics these days. As an example, it caused quite a stir when Chuck Todd said Alison Grimes was disqualified for Senate because she wouldn't say if she voted for Obama
gutter_trash
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the GOP are super dumb not being able to see that Trump (the outsider) is using their party primary system to further his ambitions.
Trump never was a card carrying member of the Republican Party prior to this.
He saw a weakness among Republican candidates like Jeb! and has attached himself onto that party's primary system as a vehicle to propel himself to the top hoping that it would help him become President.
Republicans leaning further and further Right has created this environment of Right Wing extremism; Trump is dialing it over the edge on identity politics nearing Fascism
Trump never was a card carrying member of the Republican Party prior to this.
He saw a weakness among Republican candidates like Jeb! and has attached himself onto that party's primary system as a vehicle to propel himself to the top hoping that it would help him become President.
Republicans leaning further and further Right has created this environment of Right Wing extremism; Trump is dialing it over the edge on identity politics nearing Fascism
Veritigo_X
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Nice to see Bernie supporters with Trump as their second choice if Hillary gets the nomination. Really taking Bernie's message of "if I don't win fuck it all" to heart, oh wait that's not his message.
Thunder Monkey
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gutter_trash
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I will never understand people who vote on "personality" over their own ideology on the Left/Right scale.
Or maybe extremes breed opposite extremes
Veritigo_X
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It just shows that the people saying this don't actually care about Bernie's policies at all, most likely because the policies he's fighting for won't affect them ("it's not going to do anything special to be honest"). He could be up there spewing the same shit as Trump and they'd probably still support him.
Thunder Monkey
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I think it actually had the opposite effect.
At least among sizable voting blocs Reps need to win the presidency. Fascist racists by association.
gutter_trash
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Have you watched the debates?
The other candidates have said dumb shit too, it's not like there has been any rationale discourse during the last GOP debates.
Trump is bad but he is not alone, Carson still ranks high for a crazy person
Veritigo_X
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Yep. Look how people are responding to Lindsey Graham's comments. Lindsey Graham. Let that sink in.
My point is those exact guys can go, "Look at this loon! I'm glad my policies are totally sane. Now, about the refugee crisis..."
They are not voting for Bernie because of his message, they are voting for Bernie because he isn't establishment. I know this because if they were voting for Bernie because of his message there is no possible way they would vote for Trump. As others have said, I doubt these people will end up voting anyway because really their attitude seems to be, none of it matters anyway, so if I'm going to vote, which I'm not because it doesn't matter, I'd vote for somebody that is different from it all.
I refuse to believe that any sincere Bernie supporters would ever vote for Trump. For that matter, any sincere Bernie supporter will vote for whoever ends up winning for the Democrats, be it Bernie or not, because that is what Bernie would want.
schlongdog
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Is Trump Frog Fractions 2?
VendettaRed07
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It only appears that way because Republican candidates are more concerned with attacking the moderators and shouting how their beliefs are being unfairly persecuted rather than calling out Trump and his BS.
Anyone still competitive in the polling is either to afraid to attack him, or attack him in weak ways that the republican base doesn't respond to. They can't tear down trumps arguments like a democrat can because they don't actually disagree with Trump the majority of the time.
Trump won't even be able to debate Hillary on policy and resort to "Well if she couldn't satisfy her husband how can she satisfy the nation?" type of comments that will blow up in his face in a general election platform. The divided republican party may put up with it but there is absolutely zero chance those sort of tactics have any sort of positive outcome for him on a national level.
entremet
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I was being facetious. I like Nate.
Thunder Monkey
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And thank all the Gods I don't believe in for that.
Tivor Tontomo
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OK you can't have a gap like this and have no other polls come similar. There's something wrong with the latest polls because they are all over the place with zero consistency.
Maybe after the upcoming debate.
Maybe after the upcoming debate.
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