Funky Papa
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Man, the Sony camp is starting to look oddly similar to the Xbox one circa the 360 launch.
Could this be the beginning of a truce?
Could this be the beginning of a truce?
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New Lair pics
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ELS-01X said:
I don't think so ELS-01X.These screens shouldn't have been released if they're not representative of the game,and if they are then Factor 5 has totally failed to impress on PS3 like they did on Gamecube.
But again this is just an opinion on these screens,I'm waiting until TGS.
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jett said:
the one witht he soldiers is (a) clearly not in-game and (b) reminds me of ****ing bullet witch
oh btw, are those suddenly not "off screen camshots" now since i went to sleep last night? :lol
Honestly, i think Lair will get delayed and eventually come out looking pretty impressive (and playing like absolute shit) but trying to spin these recent shots is ridiculous
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WTF is going on ? Even lair ?
Lairs ! =´´´´´[
Lairs ! =´´´´´[
Its from Game Watch, Japanese site. Its just as likely they're old screens recycled (hence one of them looking tiny little shot from EGM a few months back).Luckyman said:
I'll hold off any judgements on where Lair is currently at until we see new media from either a more reliable site or Factor 5/Sony themselves.
The "spin" on these recent shots is simple: they're out of context with anything we've seen previously for this game and, for that matter, out of context for what we've come to expect from the PS3 at a bare minimum based on what we're seeing from every other game project for it. The WI page has assembled a rather odd hodgepodge of images for the game which suggests 2, maybe 3 different builds of the game are being shown and we know the one particular shot that everyone is so up in arms about is at least a few months old. The shots are crappy and whoever is responsible OKing them needs to find another calling in life. But what they say about the game itself is not worth speculating on right now due to the manner of their release.meltpotato said:
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kaching said:
what they say about the game is that it has moved backward in quality when assembling the pictures in chronological order. there is no way around that. none.
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Funky Papa said:
Wait just a second...there was a battle to begin with? How sad.
:lol :lol :lol
Everyone on GAF is going to feel like a ****ing retard when they see most upcoming next-gen games in motion for the first time (that includes upcoming games on both the X360 and the PS3). They really are going to blow your mind. Screenshots do them no justice whatsoever.
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Luckyman said:
youre right. they are releasing media in reverse order. the game has acutally been done since the moment it was announced. its a new hype strategy. i read about it in WSJ this week.
:lol Absolutes ride again! All we know is the chronological order of when each of these shots appeared on the web. We have no information that tells me which builds these are from. They could even be from the same build with certain effects turned on and off. So they could actually be from the exact same point in time.meltpotato said:
You don't have the complete context for these shots and you're making up the backstory. If you're looking for reasons to poke fun at Sony and the PS3, there are plenty of surer bets than this.
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kaching said:
im not trying to troll Sony, or F5 for that matter. If they are trickling out media in some kind of jumbled-up order, then this is the first game i've EVER heard of/seen that happening with. The closest case i can think of is media coming up for client approval and being burried away and not hitting the press, effectively skipping a "build". but sure, they could be releasing them in an order not indicative of the dev cycle for the game. i could also smoke crack with Jacques Chirac in a conference room at work today, but it really isnt too likely.
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TheDuce22 said:
Kameo was nice even though it started development as an XBox 1 game. But Dead or Alive 4 looked almost exactly like Dead or Alive 3 (just higher res a la GT:HD to GT4). Both were rush jobs. They didn't really give a feel of what the hardware could do.
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Dragona Akehi said:
Could you lock it now? Gaf is hurting! Only you can stop it!
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to be fair, when Kameo was first shown on 360 it DID look like an Xbox game. with each successive showing it looked more and more impressive until launch when it was absolutely the stand out title graphically and still one of the high points of the 360 visually.TheDuce22 said:
Kameo's noticable leaps of quality between E3 and launch are a damn good reason to say 'hey you know, Lair might actually look better than these screenshots at launch.'
it might not, don't think i'm saying it's guaranteed, but it can be amazing how much difference those last few months can make.
They did, though.
Kameo came a LONG way and looks fantastic in the end (and using a number of graphical techniques that no other 360 games have even attemped).
DOA4 also looks solid, but DOES seem like a high-detail version of a last gen game...which isn't necessarily bad. We've since learned that reaching 60 fps on this hardware is extremely tough, so it makes quite a bit of sense in the end.
Our expectations were very different in 2005 and reality has set in.
Lair is looking awful right now, but several other big PS3 titles are looking absolutely awesome (especially in motion). We are clearly at a level far beyond 360's launch lineup right now and things should only improve as we draw closer. Hopefully Lair will improve (like so many 360 games did), but we really just have to wait and see.
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Probationsmack said:
Ditto.
dark10x said:
I know this isnt indicative of the ps3s power or even the final game but the point is the exact same people who were trolling those games for looking like xbox titles are claiming to be impressed by this. Its pretty funny to watch. If DOA 4 looks like an xbox game, which it doesnt, what does this look like? Some PC game from 1998? Had this been a 360 game and the pics started coming out around launch the sony fans would have been coming out of the woodwork to shots at it, I have absolutely no doubt of that. :lol
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Amir0x said:
It is two character models. Seems feasible.
The shots could have been trickled out for different audiences, which would explain why they seem jumbled. We know for example that Factor 5 has been doing presentations at different industry conventions that have provided media for Lair that wasn't officially sanctioned for public consumption. You're assuming that the 4 shots WI has assembled on their page were officially sanctioned by Sony to be distributed in public channels now and not just something WI assembled themselves as filler for their Lair page for the lead-in to TGS.meltpotato said:im not trying to troll Sony, or F5 for that matter. If they are trickling out media in some kind of jumbled-up order, then this is the first game i've EVER heard of/seen that happening with. The closest case i can think of is media coming up for client approval and being burried away and not hitting the press, effectively skipping a "build". but sure, they could be releasing them in an order not indicative of the dev cycle for the game. i could also smoke crack with Jacques Chirac in a conference room at work today, but it really isnt too likely.
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Amir0x said:
Then, I think you'll really, really be in for a nice surprise, Ami.
TheDuce22 said:
I think the point is we've all been brought back to reality since 360 was released. I no longer expect the graphics that I once did... it's just not going to happen. So while this might be good "pay back" for xbots who where "wronged" during the 360 launch, I think it's more that our expectations have been severly lowered since then.
And also the fact that out of all the Lair screenshots I've seen, there has only been one bad one. (where as with Kameo and PDZ we had a lot of bad shit to choose from but they did improve before release) So I'm guessing that is not a true example of how it will look. I'll reserve my judgement until we see more screens and a few movies.
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Amir0x said:
CG is a bit of a stretch, but it is surely not in-game, which i'd say is the most important part.
kaching said:
youre completely right. i don't believe in magic screenshot faries. maybe the audience should clap now so tinkerbell doesnt die.
I just find the whole game to look drab and lifeless. There's no vegetation, eveyrthing is either brow, gold or grey and it's alwyas raining in the screens or at sunset.
What is it with the PS3 and late-afternoon settings? Could sunsets only be realized with the power of the PS3? I WANT COLOR!
What is it with the PS3 and late-afternoon settings? Could sunsets only be realized with the power of the PS3? I WANT COLOR!
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Amir0x said:
There are actually five or six other dragons in the scene, as well. LOD makes them look so small they are barely visible, but you can see their trails of fire in the background.
And another thing...this (which was praised to the high heavens):
is exactly the same model and rider as this (only this is on the ground and they've changed the dragon's saddle and harness a bit):
Make up your minds people...does it look terrible or does it look brilliant? Or do we just have to see it in motion?
(say yes to the last part)
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jett said:
Are you talking about the same DMC4 that you trashed to high heaven??
Transparent, you are.....
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LOOKS BETTER IN MOTION
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Dante said:
so true with DOA4/T6
I'll do you one better.. what was the best looking PS2 launch title? TTT. and DC has DOA2 and SC. My memory may be bad here, but wasnt Battle Arena Toshiden or whatever its called was also one of the big sell-point titles for the PSX way back when. I guess we need to stop thinking fighters are going to be the big launch games now. the big fighting games have really hit a rut. it's a total bummer for fans.
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