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New trailer for Beyond: Two Souls - PS3's swan song?
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RedAssedApe
Banned
I don't know how the game went from being so awesome in that diner sequence to being QTE/
Matrix
LightofRohan
Member
blazinglazers
Member
Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out.
dragonbane
Member
Except that some people who hated Heavy Rain like UrbanRats are at least kinda looking forward to Beyond now. Seems to do a better job overall.People who liked Heavy Rain will also like this game.
People who disliked Heavy Rain will also dislike this game.
We are destined to do this dance forever.
Lorne Balfe (Inception, Assassins Creed 3) is apparently doing the score.
The IQ is at least on par with TLOU.
You didn't play the final game and the actors were all raving about their experience at the Q&A session yesterday. Seems like they all like the script, so why should they feel bad?
To be fair he was invited by Tribeca. He didn't ask for it. I certainly wouldn't complain about free advertisement.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Whoa. That was an great trailer. Looking forward to playing this
I could certainly hear that in the trailer.
dragonbane
Member
It's pretty much a modern adventure. You can walk around, interact with your environment, solve puzzles using Aiden (who you fully control as well) and talk to people etc.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtqKC4ABZhA
It's linear at its core, but it has branching paths and multiple endings depending on your choices.
I think they are actually her allies.
I don't know how the game went from being so awesome in that diner sequence to being QTE/garbage.Matrix
there was a good long time where i would defend indigo prophecy only because of the diner scene (and the leftover stuff like that that lingered through the early parts of the game), but after heavy rain, i see that the dumb shit is more par for the course. really unfortunate.
he could have said, 'nah, what i'm doing doesn't belong there'. of course, free advertisement is nice, but i think it was a bit more than that.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Will be one of the new games I get day one this year.
Acquiescence
Member
I watched the trailer, which didn't do much more for me as I was relatively pumped for the game already and a lot of the footage was recognisable. It looks great, it's day one... what more can be said. As for the 35 minute gameplay footage, I'm just going to do myself a favour and give it a pass. Best to go in to a game like this fresh.
i think the problem with david cage is that everything in dramatic moments have to be stupidly over the top, but you're supposed to take them seriously. it ranges from unintentionally funny (like some scenes with madison in some dude's house in heavy rain), to unintentionally the creepiest thing ever made like kara. some dude shouts that a little girl is a monster in this trailer and i get flashbacks to blake in heavy rain bashing some guy's face in.
and it might be understandable that the guy just can't write drama, but he can't write normal day-to-day stuff either. the parts in heavy rain before the big mystery starts is so saccharine. are there clowns in american malls? i certainly have never seen them in the several down in socal i've been to. do twelve year-olds express interest in them, wander off, and casually head into traffic? it's like cage never interacted with another human being ever.
and it might be understandable that the guy just can't write drama, but he can't write normal day-to-day stuff either. the parts in heavy rain before the big mystery starts is so saccharine. are there clowns in american malls? i certainly have never seen them in the several down in socal i've been to. do twelve year-olds express interest in them, wander off, and casually head into traffic? it's like cage never interacted with another human being ever.
Shrike_Priest
Member
The fact that Quantic Dream, with their technical know-how, are stuck with that guy as a writer is a total shame.
"You used me to do your dirty work!"
"You're a monster! A monster!"
"It's over now, it's over!"
I'm not gonna judge it completely on just this trailer, as I'm sure there's hours and hours worth of dialogue, which might be better written, but this pretty much screams cliché. And for a game which touts story and character as the main selling point, that's pretty bad.
The tech is downright amazing though. QD are either cheating their assess off and getting away with it, or they know stuff no one else does.
"You used me to do your dirty work!"
"You're a monster! A monster!"
"It's over now, it's over!"
I'm not gonna judge it completely on just this trailer, as I'm sure there's hours and hours worth of dialogue, which might be better written, but this pretty much screams cliché. And for a game which touts story and character as the main selling point, that's pretty bad.
The tech is downright amazing though. QD are either cheating their assess off and getting away with it, or they know stuff no one else does.
What they do is not extraordinary, they make awesome looking characters and concentrate on them so that you don't notice the environments that are far less detailed (some of the textures are just gross). They made some really good compromises for the type of game beyond is though.
The Praiseworthy
Member
Probably going to end up being my absolute favorite game in this generation <3
Dragon1893
Member
A trailer and a 1 hour stream? I've seen enough, thanks. Might as well watch the whole thing on YT at this point.
Really excited for this, should be great.
Really excited for this, should be great.
Code optimizations from an end of console cycle, and development of the game in the large network of 1st party studios who all share knowledge one with each other.
nelsonroyale
Member
Well, I wouldn't say that is quite true. Environments have taken a big step up from HR it looks to me. Textures also look very nice for the most part, up with most of the bigger games this gen, there are some rough patches, but I don't think any game has got away from that on consoles.
dragonbane
Member
Tribeca invites a game every two years or so. They are not presented as movies and the series is specifically designed to highlight that they are games, that's why they are doing live plays instead of screening pre-recorded material. Of course it feels nice to be invited by a film festival, but since this panel is designed to highlight the differences between passive entertainment and active entertainment I doubt that helps him feeling closer to Hollywood and is the reason why he attended it.
Here are 4 different interviews he gave over several years. When I read stuff like that, I'm pretty sure he just genuinely likes games and is not interested in making movies ever.
People sometimes forget that PS3 has only 256MB of Vram [even less, because OS takes small chunk form it]. QD managed to do wonders with Beyond artstyle. Important parts received great textures, and environments are perfectly made to look "good enough".
I cant wait to see what will developers manage to do with nextgen, and its 5-7 GB of game-accessible ram heaven.
him being an artist trying to be a designer is where a lot of his problems crop up though. i still don't think he has a firm grasp of video games, even after all these years. granted, i never played omikron, but it seems like he just has a very basic framework and lets the cinematic elements become the star. it's the laziest way to evoke an emotion from someone in this medium.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
LOL. What is this BS? A designer is an artist. It's one of the many professions fall under the heading of being an artist. People don't usually go around saying "Oh, he's an artist" without actually specifying the specialization of the art. Be it designing, performing, musical, pantomime, etc.
And your problem is defining video games too rigidly in the old "press X to do a particular movement" set of rule whereas games has always had many different permutations. There are games with no narrative, games where button pressing is all that matters, games where you just look for clues in the background provided for you, games where 90% of the time is spent just shooting enemies, and so on and so forth.
The only emotions a game creator can do without a narrative is ones that are mostly related to your winning or losing the game (anger/frustration, triumph). But it's mostly hollow, player-sided emotion. It's not an emotion where you get to emphatise with a character. In order to do that, a sliver of narrative must be attached to the gameplay.
dragonbane
Member
As long as it works for some and he continues to have success it's fine IMO. I doubt he will change anything in the market, so whatever he does is not really a threat. And from an artistic point of view I don't really care what someone makes in this medium. I think everything should be allowed. I don't have to buy it and can be happy for people that find serious enjoyment in them.
It really depends on the environment I think. In this off screen picture the detail on the wall texture is pretty good IMO:
Maybe they can make it more even with the 6 months of polish they have left.
a designer is a designer, and an artist is an artist. if you go into a design project with the mindset of an artist, chances are high you'll try making an art piece with very basic, uninteresting design.
say there are two types of shopping bags for a magic store: the first one is a bag with clear wire, so it looks like the bag is hovering next to the person holding it. the second one is just a normal shopping bag, but with a drawing of something magic-y from rob liefeld. the one that communicates the idea the best and most creatively would be the one that had more thought put into the design versus the one that had more thought put into the art.
i just care about good design. if something is very story-intensive, but it's designed that way and is meant to serve a purpose, then i can greatly appreciate that. virtue's last reward and 999 are pretty good examples of things like that.
where was i suddenly against a narrative in games? i just normally don't like setting down the controller and having the game talk at me. journey is one of the most recent games i've played that wowed me with its narrative. there are some great design choices in there to make a unique, memorable, and touching experience without so much as a word of dialogue.
i'm okay if david cage and qd stay quarantined from the rest of the industry. i worry when they start influencing other developers like telltale. the walking dead was a dreadful game, and worse yet, it won a lot of awards.
so you're fine as long as your games are gamey and make you feel like you're gaming a game?
yeah, that's pretty accurate.
what in the world?
oh i gave an example. don't act like that was a hit and run.
Don't blame Cage for this but the other developers then.
Same thing happened with Heavy Rain when it got closer to launch. I loved HR, but Beyond looks 100x better and is my most wanted 2013 game now.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
What does Jodie say at the 2:20 mark?
dragonbane
Member
Awards don't really influence publishers, only sales. TWD did well there, but not better than Heavy Rain. And TWD is available on all platforms I can think off, while Heavy Rain only exists on Playstation.
So far Heavy Rain didn't really change anything in the AAA market.
If one day a David Cage game does sell so much for some reason and actually changes something, then you will have to live with it I guess. It is just a reality of the market.
I hate what CoD did to the FPS sector, but I can't really hate CoD, since people buy them. They spoke and decided. Maybe we should complain about the people buying games instead of the developers making them, but that is also a fruitless endeavour.
I know your fear, but there is really nothing you can do unfortunately.
I think what gets people excited is how they show the different areas you can explore.
BlazingDarkness
Member
'I give up.'
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Thanks. I thought it was I hate life.
i guess it's kinda like the split between community and the big bang theory. the big bang theory is a show about nerds, while community is a show for nerds. no one was able to save community or give it the recognition it deserved, but every little bit of support probably helped that show stay on air since season 2, when any other network would have had it canceled.
one person can't make a huge difference, but every little bit helps.
Yeah, no. A good design must be both attractive from aesthetic POV but also functional. A designer who doesn't have an artistic ability will be left behind OR would not have that competitive edge when it comes to pitching projects to clients. And a design piece is an art. Your definition of art, however, seems to be as rigid as your definition of a video game. An art can be as complicated as a picaso painting or as simple yet functional as a great website design.
*cringe* This is a really messy and awful comparison. Personally, I don't even know what you're trying to communicate. Which suggest to me, you're awful at both design and art and know nothing about it but trying to sound like you do.
LOLOLOL. It's a good thing you don't make decisions for the rest of the industry because video game industry would have been boring. If it were up to you, everyone will produce exactly the same thing under your guideline of what is video game and what isn't. What is acceptable narrative and what isn't.
And it's amusing how you blame Cage when other designers decide to imitate him. Why don't you blame those who copy him? It's like the concept of "everyone is responsible for his/her own action" just doesn't register in your brain. And here's a new concept too: you don't like a game? Don't buy it. Speak with your wallet. But obviously that didn't work because there is a market for this kind of game. So now you're bitter and trying to sound like you must save the video game industry from its worse-than-death fate.
OR you can ignore the Big Bang Theory like any other person who don't like it. I don't get that show either. But hey, more fun for those who like it. Why is everything must run according to what you like or you don't like?
dragonbane
Member
That is a really interesting theory
The dude she falls in love with probably works for the DPA, but has his own plans or something. At one point it actually looks like she even goes to war and shit as a soldier. Other countries might be interested in Aiden or the entities as well. I mean we saw the motherfucking Koreans in that trailer. The game is just crazy. It has everything lol
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Ellen page singing Lost Cause from Beck was a surprise for me. Kinda worked also. The game seems to fix some of the problems HR has, it definately has more "gameplay" (they cut alot of stuff in the 35 gameplay trailer). Looking forward to it!