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Commander Message to Jackass:
"Jackass,
I received a report regarding your behavior from the Resistance camp leader. Even if I choose to ignore the unauthorized "upgrades" you've been performing on your fellow Resistance members, combining two separate androids into a single unit is taking things too far. Just because I'm not there anymore doesn't give you free license to do whatever you please. Pull yourself together ASAP before you wind up getting exiled, you hear?
As far as things over here go, work at the Bunker has been smooth, for the most part. I figured the role of Commander would mostly consist of stamping documents and the like, but i'm surprised by the amount of miscellaneous tasks I'm expected to perform. I definitely have concerns about the Type-E deployment project, though. Still, all I can do is keep trying my best.
I truly believe that the work i'm doing here will help carve a path for the future of all androids. So I expect you in turn to do some growing up before the next time we meet, okay?
White"
Jackass Response:
"She was the most earnest person you've ever met.
Hell, downright stiff in some ways.
And yet, you couldn't find a kinder soul if you tried.
It's not fair that I live while she had to die.
This world is just so....wrong.
Humans? Machines? Androids?
We're all goddamn worthless.
Anyway, I imagine I'll be joining you soon enough.
Rest in peace until then, okay?
Jackass."
"Jackass,
I received a report regarding your behavior from the Resistance camp leader. Even if I choose to ignore the unauthorized "upgrades" you've been performing on your fellow Resistance members, combining two separate androids into a single unit is taking things too far. Just because I'm not there anymore doesn't give you free license to do whatever you please. Pull yourself together ASAP before you wind up getting exiled, you hear?
As far as things over here go, work at the Bunker has been smooth, for the most part. I figured the role of Commander would mostly consist of stamping documents and the like, but i'm surprised by the amount of miscellaneous tasks I'm expected to perform. I definitely have concerns about the Type-E deployment project, though. Still, all I can do is keep trying my best.
I truly believe that the work i'm doing here will help carve a path for the future of all androids. So I expect you in turn to do some growing up before the next time we meet, okay?
White"
Jackass Response:
"She was the most earnest person you've ever met.
Hell, downright stiff in some ways.
And yet, you couldn't find a kinder soul if you tried.
It's not fair that I live while she had to die.
This world is just so....wrong.
Humans? Machines? Androids?
We're all goddamn worthless.
Anyway, I imagine I'll be joining you soon enough.
Rest in peace until then, okay?
Jackass."
Just got around to reading one of the novellas that was released along side the world guide. Was posted before, but posting again for folks with more insight.
Apparently it actually documents one of the prior times 2B had to kill 9S, this time with 9S fully aware of it.
http://nier2.com/blog/2017/03/07/nierautomata-world-guide-novellas/#more-5385
Apparently it actually documents one of the prior times 2B had to kill 9S, this time with 9S fully aware of it.
http://nier2.com/blog/2017/03/07/nierautomata-world-guide-novellas/#more-5385
Yeah I agree. Loved the game overall but I really feel like A2 needed a bit more screen time. Maybe her backstory could've been playable instead of being relegated into a novella.
By the way, what was the reason for A2 cutting her hair? I didn't quite understand that.
I also read a post on gamefaqs from user Adrien Light interpreting Ending E that I quite liked, so I thought I'd share it here as well:
"I deleted my data, no backup, because I felt backing my data up would defeat the purpose of sacrifice. Someone helped me to see the complete game, and I wanted to be able to help someone else, regardless of what was needed. Now I'm playing through the game again to platinum everything, and I don't regret my choice at all. I was very jaded towards humanity near the end of the game. I kept wondering, "Why do all of these androids and machines want to be human? They're already displaying all the signs of humanity. They are vengeful, destructive, easily overcome by emotions. They wage pointless wars over territory for their superiors." But then, during the ending, when I realized what someone else had to do for me, I realized, this is what they were aspiring to be. According to the Nier universe, the entirety of humanity fell because the original gestalt accepted death because of his love for his sister/daughter. We are capable of horrible things, but also capable of great love and altruism, and it's that amazing dichotomy that both sides wished to understand and ultimately attain. If the primary game and endings made me lose my faith in humanity, ending E was what restored it, and reminded me of how kind we can be to complete strangers. I cried a lot after the ending."
By the way, what was the reason for A2 cutting her hair? I didn't quite understand that.
I also read a post on gamefaqs from user Adrien Light interpreting Ending E that I quite liked, so I thought I'd share it here as well:
"I deleted my data, no backup, because I felt backing my data up would defeat the purpose of sacrifice. Someone helped me to see the complete game, and I wanted to be able to help someone else, regardless of what was needed. Now I'm playing through the game again to platinum everything, and I don't regret my choice at all. I was very jaded towards humanity near the end of the game. I kept wondering, "Why do all of these androids and machines want to be human? They're already displaying all the signs of humanity. They are vengeful, destructive, easily overcome by emotions. They wage pointless wars over territory for their superiors." But then, during the ending, when I realized what someone else had to do for me, I realized, this is what they were aspiring to be. According to the Nier universe, the entirety of humanity fell because the original gestalt accepted death because of his love for his sister/daughter. We are capable of horrible things, but also capable of great love and altruism, and it's that amazing dichotomy that both sides wished to understand and ultimately attain. If the primary game and endings made me lose my faith in humanity, ending E was what restored it, and reminded me of how kind we can be to complete strangers. I cried a lot after the ending."
I feel like A2's development from where she started as a bitter and cold rogue, to where she ended up was really great, but i wish she had a full sized campaign like 9S and 2B instead of being relegated to only part of one for ending C
I wanted to see that development for her extended. The concept is so interesting. She's basically half 2B and half herself and she can't even tell the difference by the end where one stops and the other begins.
The most excruciating part of route C was that she knew everything about 9s and 2B, hell she WAS 2B in a snse, yet all 9S could think about was killing her based on a pure misunderstanding and his own anger and hatred at how he lost 2B
I wanted to see that development for her extended. The concept is so interesting. She's basically half 2B and half herself and she can't even tell the difference by the end where one stops and the other begins.
The most excruciating part of route C was that she knew everything about 9s and 2B, hell she WAS 2B in a snse, yet all 9S could think about was killing her based on a pure misunderstanding and his own anger and hatred at how he lost 2B
i'm just assuming that they did find other A units somewhere, cause there's no explanation otherwise for her having a new body exactly the same as her old one lmao.
I also has a lot of questions in regards to ending E. it seems happy, but what is the state of 2B and A2? They mind melded after all and im pretty sure there's no going back from that.
Pretty much 2B's memories would have to be a copy of her memories up to the point of her getting killed with A2 still holding the real 2B inside of her
I also has a lot of questions in regards to ending E. it seems happy, but what is the state of 2B and A2? They mind melded after all and im pretty sure there's no going back from that.
Pretty much 2B's memories would have to be a copy of her memories up to the point of her getting killed with A2 still holding the real 2B inside of her
What I'm wondering now is who came up with Project YoRHa, since even the Commander didn't have full knowledge of it. There must be or must have been an android even higher in the food chain.
Also, what about 9S if you choose to send his memories with the machine ark to the moon? If you did Ending E afterwards, wouldn't he be the only one without his memories?
Also, what about 9S if you choose to send his memories with the machine ark to the moon? If you did Ending E afterwards, wouldn't he be the only one without his memories?
Okay, thanks.
A bit disappointing that they didn't put in Accord from Drakengard 3 btw, after she was mentioned at the beginning by the weapons trader.
Edit:
By the way, the Earth isn't rotating anymore in the game right? At least it's always sunny, and in a side quest it was said that it's always bright outside now.
How would that work? The planet would go to shit pretty fast if it wasn't rotating anymore.
Or just Taros excuse to not implement a day-night cycle?
A bit disappointing that they didn't put in Accord from Drakengard 3 btw, after she was mentioned at the beginning by the weapons trader.
Edit:
By the way, the Earth isn't rotating anymore in the game right? At least it's always sunny, and in a side quest it was said that it's always bright outside now.
How would that work? The planet would go to shit pretty fast if it wasn't rotating anymore.
Or just Taros excuse to not implement a day-night cycle?
Okay, thanks.
A bit disappointing that they didn't put in Accord from Drakengard 3 btw, after she was mentioned at the beginning by the weapons trader.
Edit:
By the way, the Earth isn't rotating anymore in the game right? At least it's always sunny, and in a side quest it was said that it's always bright outside now.
How would that work? The planet would go to shit pretty fast if it wasn't rotating anymore.
Or just Taros excuse to not implement a day-night cycle?
A bit disappointing that they didn't put in Accord from Drakengard 3 btw, after she was mentioned at the beginning by the weapons trader.
Edit:
By the way, the Earth isn't rotating anymore in the game right? At least it's always sunny, and in a side quest it was said that it's always bright outside now.
How would that work? The planet would go to shit pretty fast if it wasn't rotating anymore.
Or just Taros excuse to not implement a day-night cycle?
Im curious if we will get a crossover game, like fully. Since 2B, A2, and 9S are alive there can be some timeline fuckery and Drakengard can come into Nier or maybe they go into Drakengard.
I'd definitely be down for a well executed Drakengard. Platinum has some experience now with programming dragons after all
But damn.... that's cold lol
We could also use Drakengard 1.3 in game form
Honestly, if we do get post ending E dlc for whatever reason (since I see people requesting it both here and on other sites, although it'll likely never happen, especially with that PAX presentation), I imagine putting the focus on A2 might be the best approach here, since they could potentially rectify these issues with lack of screen time and development. 2B and 9S would be very difficult to have post ending E dlc for and not have it feel forced, particularly since I feel the story did everything it needed to with those 2, while I feel A2 could have used more screen time and development. Besides, it's pretty easy to imagine that as long as 2B and 9S are together, they'll be happy, with that being their happy ending. A2 is an enigma though, there's no telling what could happen with her, and one could probably explore some pretty interesting things with her post ending E.
I'm not saying that it is, but the fact that it even exists just brings it down for me. It adds a level of superficiality to the dynamic between the characters and it isn't to my liking. It's the reason why I wasn't so fond of Rean or Falcom's pathetic attempt to copy Persona's social link system in Cold Steel.
I think that comparison is pretty disingenuous, that being said. Fanservice isn't the reason why I dislike the social link system in the first place.
For the record, this is all just story/character related complaints on my part. I'm sure gameplay and other things will be fantastic.
I think that comparison is pretty disingenuous, that being said. Fanservice isn't the reason why I dislike the social link system in the first place.
For the record, this is all just story/character related complaints on my part. I'm sure gameplay and other things will be fantastic.
That part sort of got me.
That Robot cared for what he called his brother. Desperately tries to save him with oil, trips over when he jumps or when he hops over a beam. Those guys have feelings. I was sort of expecting 9S to jump in and strike him but he let him do his thing. Same with the kingdom, they seem to be completely innocent, just wanting to install a monarchy and try to continue it but not realizing they can't grow up. The themes in this game are actually incredible.
Granted, I was annoyed when I had to do it again as I triggered that ending on accident right away.
I also triggered one in Route C, after the fight alongside the units in the crater. I had to do all the stealth hacking stuff with 9S again, lol.
That Robot cared for what he called his brother. Desperately tries to save him with oil, trips over when he jumps or when he hops over a beam. Those guys have feelings. I was sort of expecting 9S to jump in and strike him but he let him do his thing. Same with the kingdom, they seem to be completely innocent, just wanting to install a monarchy and try to continue it but not realizing they can't grow up. The themes in this game are actually incredible.
Granted, I was annoyed when I had to do it again as I triggered that ending on accident right away.
I also triggered one in Route C, after the fight alongside the units in the crater. I had to do all the stealth hacking stuff with 9S again, lol.
So the game wants me to delete my save, but.... I'm good lol
I'll definitely do it after I do the sidequests, beat the secret bosses, etc., so don't judge me too hard lmao
Easily one of the best games I've ever played. And I won't lie, it just makes that whole thread discussing 2B's design and what not seem immensely more trivial to me now, even despite me understanding the concerns.
Oh shit....
Yea I really wish I had done more of them. Mad I missed out on the 210 one, 9S fighting her didn't have as much of an emotional impact on me as a result.
I'll definitely do it after I do the sidequests, beat the secret bosses, etc., so don't judge me too hard lmao
Easily one of the best games I've ever played. And I won't lie, it just makes that whole thread discussing 2B's design and what not seem immensely more trivial to me now, even despite me understanding the concerns.
Oh shit....
Yea I really wish I had done more of them. Mad I missed out on the 210 one, 9S fighting her didn't have as much of an emotional impact on me as a result.
Ok, got ending E last night and now I'm all caught up with this thread. I've got a few questions that I can't figure out myself.
Where did the logic virus come from exactly? Was it made by Eve in a homicidal rage or by the terminal girl/machine network consciousness? Is the virus that infected YoRHa the same one that is turning machines into red-eyes? If so, why was the virus made to infect machines as well as androids? If not, who made the other virus?
Why was A2 spared from the virus? Even 9S with his hacking managed to become infected. A2 takes no precautions and is just fine. I know she hadn't synched up to the YoRHa server in forever, but the virus spreads through personal contact as well, considering how 2B got it. A2 fought plenty of infected machines.
Is the tower part of the cycle as well? We learn it's there to send an arc out, but does that happen every time or is this new?
Why were the machines so hell-bent on destroying Pascal's robot kids? For that matter, how did the machine village become infected if they were off the network?
Where did the logic virus come from exactly? Was it made by Eve in a homicidal rage or by the terminal girl/machine network consciousness? Is the virus that infected YoRHa the same one that is turning machines into red-eyes? If so, why was the virus made to infect machines as well as androids? If not, who made the other virus?
Why was A2 spared from the virus? Even 9S with his hacking managed to become infected. A2 takes no precautions and is just fine. I know she hadn't synched up to the YoRHa server in forever, but the virus spreads through personal contact as well, considering how 2B got it. A2 fought plenty of infected machines.
Is the tower part of the cycle as well? We learn it's there to send an arc out, but does that happen every time or is this new?
Why were the machines so hell-bent on destroying Pascal's robot kids? For that matter, how did the machine village become infected if they were off the network?
Logic Virus has existed since forever, or at least it was there during the Pearl Harbor incident. Seems to be a creation of the machines/Terminal to combat the androids. I don't think them going red eye is related as the androids getting infected. Remember the machines are all networked.
Meanwhile, I imagine it might have been some big farce from the Terminal to let these machines disconnect and be peaceful. Remember, they intentionally let them leave the network with these "flaws". They also wanted to keep the androids around to keep perpetuating their own reason to live and evolve.
Meanwhile, I imagine it might have been some big farce from the Terminal to let these machines disconnect and be peaceful. Remember, they intentionally let them leave the network with these "flaws". They also wanted to keep the androids around to keep perpetuating their own reason to live and evolve.
It was all the terminal's fault who was represented by the girl in the red dress. However what confuses me is ending Y..
In ending C and D, we have the implication that the what was left of the terminal and the arc itself launches into space to find a new place to live after comprehending the meaning of life and destroying itself, and supposedly same with ending E, so no thread of the war going on anymore.
So why exactly does the network somehow get rebuilt hundreds of years later if you do ending Y if the robots are already gone?
In ending C and D, we have the implication that the what was left of the terminal and the arc itself launches into space to find a new place to live after comprehending the meaning of life and destroying itself, and supposedly same with ending E, so no thread of the war going on anymore.
So why exactly does the network somehow get rebuilt hundreds of years later if you do ending Y if the robots are already gone?
Did this scene actually happen? I don't recall it, unless it's sidequest related or something.
Yeah, I'm glad I got it cheap and I had already heard it was bad but cot damn I wasn't ready for that. It is literally a miracle they kept funding the series
Why did you buy it? Lmao, YT games are not for everyone for a reason. I don't recommend any casual curious person to buy D1 or D3 as a pure masochist myself. Nier 1 is an iffy prospect but before Automata was easily the most accessible game in the franchise by far. Even back in 6th gen the games were jank standard.
You literally don't understand how good it was that YT had fans at Platinum, this is why we were all celebrating. Cavia bless their hearts and Access games clearly could not make a game YT wanted.
He always says he spent most of his time yelling when working with Cavia, and i'd expect the same for Access games even moreso considering that was only 3 or so years ago. They spent all their budget on the cutscenes for that D3 alone
By the way, the girl in the red dress is represented by the Terminal, she is new to this game
You literally don't understand how good it was that YT had fans at Platinum, this is why we were all celebrating. Cavia bless their hearts and Access games clearly could not make a game YT wanted.
He always says he spent most of his time yelling when working with Cavia, and i'd expect the same for Access games even moreso considering that was only 3 or so years ago. They spent all their budget on the cutscenes for that D3 alone
By the way, the girl in the red dress is represented by the Terminal, she is new to this game