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Kazerei said:I think that's 20 billion yen actually :O
But it's still a little too early to say they're in trouble.
Thanks for the tip.
Kazerei said:I think that's 20 billion yen actually :O
But it's still a little too early to say they're in trouble.
.GDGF said:Iwata will stay put. Yamauchi put him there.
Sempuukyaku said:Yamauchi is still Nintendo's largest shareholder. Iwata is safe, and rightfully so. Look at how much ass the 3DS is kicking in Japan. Reggie and Kimishima on the other hand....
Is lazy shorthand for something?Cygnus X-1 said:Sales of 3DS games better explode in Q3. This anyway will teach them a lesson to not being lazy just because things were going well.
BY2K said:*Looks at avatar*
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Not sure if troll, or just trying to be ironic or... something else.
Yep. Even if they make a lot of dollars and euros, it doesn't translate into a lot of yen because the yen is crazy strong right now by comparison.Leonsito said:Well, the money wasted on getting GTA V exclusive for WiiU has to come from somewhere.
Btw, how does the foreign exchange rate affect losses? It's because you make less money from sales outside of Japan?
GDGF said:I want them to fire Reggie and drag Arakawa out of retirement.
Just the wish of an old timer.
Maybe its too early to tell but if you look at the 3ds in Japan Nintendo is clearly positioning it as their sole handheld while phasing out the entire ds line. They're giving it a ton of software in hopes of making a big splash this holiday and sustaining that momentum into the new year. Europe is getting serious with the 3ds with two new bundles but mainly relying on 1st party games (Super Mario 3d Land and Mario Kart) to carry the system. In NA Nintendo seems to want one more big holiday out of the 3ds with the new bundle announced and lack of 3ds bundle.ShockingAlberto said:If this is their plan, it is reactionary and short-sighted.
Leonsito said:Well, the money wasted on getting GTA V exclusive for WiiU has to come from somewhere.
Btw, how does the foreign exchange rate affect losses? It's because you make less money from sales outside of Japan?
Man, what? Lincoln was supportive of picking and choosing what games came over. He and Arakawa were all for the rule that only allowed publishers to produce a few games a year!Sempuukyaku said:Arakawa AND Lincoln both. No way would they tolerate having such a sparse lineup for their flagship home console (Wii). They really GOT what Nintendo is all about.
artwalknoon said:Maybe its too early to tell but if you look at the 3ds in Japan Nintendo is clearly positioning it as their sole handheld while phasing out the entire ds line. They're giving it a ton of software in hopes of making a big splash this holiday and sustaining that momentum into the new year. Europe is getting serious with the 3ds with two new bundles but mainly relying on 1st party games (Super Mario 3d Land and Mario Kart) to carry the system. In NA Nintendo seems to want one more big holiday out of the 3ds with the new bundle announced and lack of 3ds bundle.
The big 3ds games will be coming to EU and NA but localizations take time so in the mean time Nintendo seems to secure as many new Japanese 3ds games as possible.
You mean like how the DS, PS2, and Wii failed because of their inferior graffix?thirty said:I can't help but feel that WiiU is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back at Nintendo. I just don't see how it'll be able to compete if the other 2 out muscle it graphically.
On the bright side, they look pretty good now.JoeTheBlow said:Fucking hell, 3DS sales almost ground TO A HALT in between the early-adopter rush and the price cut.
Yeah cuz graphics was a defining factor of the last gen of what sold the most ehthirty said:I can't help but feel that WiiU is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back at Nintendo. I just don't see how it'll be able to compete if the other 2 out muscle it graphically.
ShockingAlberto said:Is lazy shorthand for something?
There are actual applications of the word "lazy" being used on this board - accurate ones, at that. Like, IGN's Pixeljunk review was lazy. No online play in Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing PC was lazy. Like, they had work to do, they didn't want to do it, so they didn't.
Is there any evidence that, like, Konno was blowing off working on the 3DS (which is what I'm presuming this is referring to) to take naps?
Complacent is a usable word in this situation. Arrogant, maybe. Stubborn, definitely. But lazy?
artwalknoon said:So what can Nintendo realistically announce/reveal/discuss at tomorrow's briefing to boost investor confidence or just to generate some positive head lines? By realistically I mean not a new Mother game.
If nothing new comes out of it, it will be the saddest Nintendo financial briefing to date.
Ignoring the European and American markets does not make much sense from business-driven decision. It takes a few 100k to dub/translate a game. Let´s say Xenoblade costed 10 million to make in Japan, than they dub it and market it. Let´s say the total cost becomes 20 million. If Nintendo sells around 2 million in the EU and the US, add in the currency difference and the project will still be profitable ( it just hypothetically speaking, i have not done calculations). Not only that they would have built a base for a sequel to be made. The EU and the US are too huge to ignore imo.ShockingAlberto said:If I were Nintendo, and mind you this is a purely business-driven decision, the fire lit under my ass would result in waaaaaay more Japanese-only games meant to appeal solely to Japan.
They can't do shit about the weak dollar and euro and only the Stonecutters can do something about the pound, so if Nintendo were the type of company that would go "Fuck it, our fans can deal without 1/3rd of our output until the dollar and the euro stop sucking," then that would be the "fire" I'd expect.
ShockingAlberto said:Man, what? Lincoln was supportive of picking and choosing what games came over. He and Arakawa were all for the rule that only allowed publishers to produce a few games a year!
I doubt there will be any game announcement they've been sitting on to calm investors.artwalknoon said:So what can Nintendo realistically announce/reveal/discuss at tomorrow's briefing to boost investor confidence or just to generate some positive head lines? By realistically I mean not a new Mother game.
If nothing new comes out of it, it will be the saddest Nintendo financial briefing to date.
He meant the cost to produce, not to sellJoeTheBlow said:Its the lowest price i've ever seen for a new handheld, its crazy low already.
Its the software prices that need to change, having them the same as home console games is just laughable.
Its not lack of hardware sales that kills a system, its lack of software sales that will do it in.
But they can't skimp on the Nintendium, man. They just can't!Medalion said:He meant the cost to produce, not to sell
So true. When your main competitors games cost 1 to 2 dollars and yours cost FOURTY there's a problem.JoeTheBlow said:Its the lowest price i've ever seen for a new handheld, its crazy low already.
Its the software prices that need to change, having them the same as home console games is just laughable.
Its not lack of hardware sales that kills a system, its lack of software sales that will do it in.
Duxxy3 said:I can already tell what the conference will be
Iwata: *bow Good morning
Iwata: Nintendoomed /sadface
cue snoopy sad music as Iwata walks off stage with his head down
ShockingAlberto said:But I imagine it will mostly be "Foreign exchange rates, we'll be looking closely at how we do business overseas from now on, we believe software drives this industry, Mario Kart Dragon Quest Monster Hunter give us one fucking christmas goddamn"
Aren't these briefings the ones where Iwata does a slide show presentation? He's made announcements that way before. Specifically I remember the new Kirby game and Pandora's Tower. Investors may not care but announcements do break the cycle of purely negative news and change the conversation for a bit. Its a tactic Iwata has used before so I hope he does so again.ShockingAlberto said:I doubt there will be any game announcement they've been sitting on to calm investors.
Investors don't give a shit about games. They want numbers.
I mean, maybe he'll talk about how Dragon Quest X is going to be a Wii U launch title or something? Investors understand Dragon Quest = money.
But I imagine it will mostly be "Foreign exchange rates, we'll be looking closely at how we do business overseas from now on, we believe software drives this industry, Mario Kart Dragon Quest Monster Hunter give us one fucking christmas goddamn"
This is ultimately part of the problem, because there's nothing they can do within the next year to prevent those losses.Cygnus X-1 said:Though they will predict losses over the year. Their sales forecast over the FY dropped from 900 billions yens to 750 billions yens. And this is not their first revision of their forecast. I can't see how these can be considered good signs for the next year. If 3DS doesn't explode worldwide and keep selling like crazy, Nintendo could face more than just one year of losses.
Medalion said:Yeah cuz graphics was a defining factor of the last gen of what sold the most eh
Beam said:Ignoring the European and American markets does not make much sense from business-driven decision. It takes a few 100k to dub/translate a game. Let´s say Xenoblade costed 10 million to make in Japan, than they dub it and market it. Let´s say the total cost becomes 20 million. If Nintendo sells around 2 million in the EU and the US, add in the currency difference and the project will still be profitable ( it just hypothetically speaking, i have not done calculations). Not only that they would have built a base for a sequel to be made. The EU and the US are too huge to ignore imo.
ShockingAlberto said:If I were Nintendo, and mind you this is a purely business-driven decision, the fire lit under my ass would result in waaaaaay more Japanese-only games meant to appeal solely to Japan.
They can't do shit about the weak dollar and euro and only the Stonecutters can do something about the pound, so if Nintendo were the type of company that would go "Fuck it, our fans can deal without 1/3rd of our output until the dollar and the euro stop sucking," then that would be the "fire" I'd expect.
Nintendo has been readying the deployment of the 3DS and Wii-U their resources are spread pretty thin and yet still have time to work on Skyward Sword and Mario Galaxy gamesKulock said:I'm actually a little concerned about what Skyward Sword shows about Nintendo's current developmental output limitations. Not so much about the title itself, but that a single major Wii game really seemed to throttle their output for a very long period. It's only going to get worse on an HD platform.
Kulock said:I'm actually a little concerned about what Skyward Sword shows about Nintendo's current developmental output limitations. Not so much about the title itself, but that a single major Wii game really seemed to throttle their output for a very long period. It's only going to get worse on an HD platform.
Kulock said:I'm actually a little concerned about what Skyward Sword shows about Nintendo's current developmental output limitations. Not so much about the title itself, but that a single major Wii game really seemed to throttle their output for a very long period. It's only going to get worse on an HD platform.
JoeTheBlow said:Only because it was another price-drop rush, most retailers in the UK had it for a INSANE £105 for the price-drop week, it was flying off the shelves, i couldn't see one anywhere by day 3.
Now, its back on the NDS shelf, looking like a 3D version of an old handheld everyone already has, retailers just don't seem excited by it and don't push the thing as much as they should.
This christmas will be the key to its survival.
JoeTheBlow said:Its the lowest price i've ever seen for a new handheld, its crazy low already.
Its the software prices that need to change, having them the same as home console games is just laughable.
Its not lack of hardware sales that kills a system, its lack of software sales that will do it in.
cajunator said:I'm pretty sure some of this is caused by RandD for WiiU. How much nobody knows of course. the rest I have no idea. Do they lose money on 3DS?
It was dumb of them to (plan to) launch two systems a year apart.Medalion said:Nintendo has been readying the deployment of the 3DS and Wii-U their resources are spread pretty thin and yet still have time to work on Skyward Sword and Mario Galaxy games
ShockingAlberto said:This is ultimately part of the problem, because there's nothing they can do within the next year to prevent those losses.
Iwata might just need to admit that. He might have to go up there, sell his case that this is about more than 2012, and hope they don't boo him off the stage, even if they believe him.
It might require some midnight-hour channel stuffing, but it's definitely doable.jonno394 said:Nintendo in their re-forecast still expect to sell 16 million 3DS units by teh end of the financial year, do people think they are over reaching, just under 10 million between now and April?
Cygnus X-1 said:Do we know when 3DS is going to be profitable as hardware, approximately? I mean: if the handheld can already become profitable during early 2012, I think that most problems will be solved.
After all, let's think for a moment: Nintendo has two big problems now. The foreign exchange losses, which cannot be solved by any company, if not to try sell more in the domestic market, and the losses generated by 3DS itself, which is an unusual situation for Nintendo, since they always sold every system with profits (excluding the first months for the GC). If Iwata dropped the price so massively without knowing that the handheld anyway would have became profitable in a relatively short amount of time, then we can affirm that it was a big mistake.