Red UFO said:10 million more Wii's over Christmas? Really, Nintendo?
no- 7.65m more wiis from october through march.
Red UFO said:10 million more Wii's over Christmas? Really, Nintendo?
legend166 said:I reckon if Nintendo could rewind back to the beginning of 2010 they'd do this:
- Put the Wii U in the pipeline to launch November 2011.
- Put the 3DS in the pipeline to launch November 2012.
I still think it was completely silly to launch the 3DS so early. A $99 DSi would have been pretty massive this Christmas I think.
Agreed.legend166 said:I reckon if Nintendo could rewind back to the beginning of 2010 they'd do this:
- Put the Wii U in the pipeline to launch November 2011.
- Put the 3DS in the pipeline to launch November 2012.
I still think it was completely silly to launch the 3DS so early. A $99 DSi would have been pretty massive this Christmas I think.
AniHawk said:no- 7.65m more wiis from october through march.
Don't you mean 8.65?AniHawk said:no- 7.65m more wiis from october through march.
Red UFO said:Don't you mean 8.65?
8.8/10Nintendo-4Life said:So how bad are the results? ranging from 1-10 (1 being absolutely abysmal, 10 being just fine).
legend166 said:I reckon if Nintendo could rewind back to the beginning of 2010 they'd do this:
- Put the Wii U in the pipeline to launch November 2011.
- Put the 3DS in the pipeline to launch November 2012.
I still think it was completely silly to launch the 3DS so early. A $99 DSi would have been pretty massive this Christmas I think.
Nintendo-4Life said:So how bad are the results? ranging from 1-10 (1 being absolutely abysmal, 10 being just fine).
I thought the 3DS was doing fine.Ubermatik said:7.8
Not too worrying, but shows a significant decline in sakes and popularity. It's only newsworthy because of the failure of the 3DS so far. The Wii's sales are expected - it's on it's way out.
To be fair DS was launched in the holiday period in NA and Jpn while 3DS was launched in NA,Jpn and EU in the slow period of the year.DMeisterJ said:The comparisons between the DS and 3DS are going to be much more interesting when we reach the point of the DS Lite since the 3DS is only managing to keep up with the sales during the slow period of the DS. Being the successor to that is going to unfortunately have it be compared to it's predecessor and that's not going to look pretty in a few quarters. While the system should do fine for itself, it's always going to live in the shadow of it's older brother.
3DS is only doing fine in as far as it's keeping pace with its predecessor after a $80 price drop in the first 6 months of its existence. It should do well over the holiday season though as the DS fades away and some heavy hitters finally launch.Nintendo-4Life said:I thought the 3DS was doing fine.
Celine said:To be fair DS was launched in the holiday period in NA and Jpn while 3DS was launched in NA,Jpn and EU in the slow period of the year.
Sempuukyaku said:Weren't analysts predicting a $1.3 billion dollar loss btw? It ended up being a $263 million dollar loss. Nikkei was WAY off with their projections.
Something something iOS somethingOrayn said:Glad to hear the losses weren't quite as huge as predicted.
...Also, the 3DS sold MORE units in the same length of time than the DS at that stage in its life, even without the critical October-December block. Why is it a doomed failure of a system again?
zomgbbqftw said:OK things to take from those results. Firstly they have basically lost money from revaluing their foreign assets to take into account strong Yen. This is basically shipped console units sitting in warehouses unsold in the US and PAL regions. Now they are writing down a bunch of that inventory to take into account the lower than expected revenue from sales.
For the first time ever, Nintendo are going to make FY loss. Of about $260m going by their own currency forecasts. That's big news.
The 3DS sold well, 3.07m for the quarter with no software is a good result, but the downgrade to the software forecast is bad because it looks like they are already losing money on the units. More positive is that they have kept the hardware forecast at 16m and Sony are having trouble now with Vita costs (see compulsory expensive memory cards) so the competition is weaker than expected and won't price as aggressively as previously thought. The $169 price is here to stay, possibly until late 2013. With higher priced competition and lower DS sales Nintendo need the 3DS to pick up the slack. In Japan it looks like they have done what was needed and paid the right amount of bribe money to Capcom for MH. In the west Mario needs to work his magic.
Onto the Wii. It's really in a pitiful state right now, the one time king is reduced to 12m a year at its lowest price ever. Without Zelda I expect that forecast would be even lower. With the WiiU launch in the next financial year they aren't in a position to cut prices here either which means the Wii is likely to remain at its current prices until early 2013 at least so sales will drop off very quickly like we have seen with DS. That is probably a good thing because Nintendo have never really been good at supporting more than two platforms at a time. Even so, I think the Wii will reach about 105m shipped and be relegated to developing nations like PS2 or withdrawn completely.
Do we know how 3DS fares compared to x360 and PS3 in terms of overall sales since its launch? I would assume it's the best selling machine, of all consoles.Sho_Nuff82 said:3DS is only doing fine in as far as it's keeping pace with its predecessor after a $80 price drop in the first 6 months of its existence. It should do well over the holiday season though as the DS fades away and some heavy hitters finally launch.
There's a nice way to keep 3rd parties on their promises: Money.wsippel said:Doesn't help that 3rd parties didn't deliver on their promises, or it would have games like Batman, Assassin's Creed and Saint's Row by the end of the year.
3DS sales during this quarter were just fine, it's definitely not a "failure". Not a striking success by any means, but it's doing alright.Ubermatik said:7.8
Not too worrying, but shows a significant decline in sakes and popularity. It's only newsworthy because of the failure of the 3DS so far. The Wii's sales are expected - it's on it's way out.
I expect Skyward Sword to be one the least successful Zelda games, to be quite honest.maabus1999 said:Question is if Zelda will be too late in the Wii's lifecycle to make a huge impact a la Final Fantasy XII.
Cygnus X-1 said:Problem of 3DS is that right now the more it sells, the worse is financially. Objective is of course the catalyzing of the software and considering it's an handheld, the impact will not be enough to absorb the losses generated by the drop of DS, but mostly of the Wii.
vitacola said:Dear business administration people, please tell me:
Is this a real loss or just not as much profit as they expected?
I just can't think of a possibility how Big N could lose 100M. They still don't subsidise any hardware, don't they? Even after the price cut the 3DS should still make profit.
It has been explained, but again, with pictures (because I know someone else will think like you):Sempuukyaku said:Weren't analysts predicting a $1.3 billion dollar loss btw? It ended up being a $263 million dollar loss. Nikkei was WAY off with their projections.
vitacola said:Dear business administration people, please tell me:
Is this a real loss or just not as much profit as they expected?
I just can't think of a possibility how Big N could lose 100M. They still don't subsidise any hardware, don't they? Even after the price cut the 3DS should still make profit.
maabus1999 said:Question is if Zelda will be too late in the Wii's lifecycle to make a huge impact a la Final Fantasy XII.
In the same period the previous year they shipped 10.11 million, so it is a down forecast (-14%). Not as much as the first half was down, though (-33%).RedUFO said:Don't you mean 8.65?
Even then, I think they are being hopeful.
FoxHimself said:3DS after Q3 has sold more than DS after it's third Q.
BOMBA!
Looks like 3DS has shipped more than they did through 4 quarters.marc^o^ said:Do we know how 3DS fares compared to x360 and PS3 in terms of overall sales since its launch? I would assume it's the best selling machine, of all consoles.
Will be saving this graph for future threadsJoshuaJSlone said:Looks like 3DS has shipped more than they did through 4 quarters.
wrowa said:I expect Skyward Sword to be one the least successful Zelda games, to be quite honest.
F#A#Oo said:Nintendo will be fine...
Scum said:Damn! That's got to hurt. :-(
But Nintendo having to sort themselves out is always the best Nintendo to have around. Maybe Old Man Yamauchi will drop some helpful hints to Iwata on what he can and can't do to help...
...or maybe he'll be told to dip into the war chest to alleviate the problem a tad bit. If Iwata can, that is...
F#A#Oo said:Nintendo will be fine...
GDGF said:This should cause Nintendo to do something crazy awesome.
Yamauchi is really that awesomeDXB-KNIGHT said:Hiroshi Yamauchi: Welcome, my friends. You may ask any three questions.
Investors: Are you really the chairman of Nintendo?
Yamauchi: Yes.
Investors: Really?
Yamauchi: Yes.
Investors: Really?
Yamauchi: Yes. Thank you, come again.
Iwata: But --
Yamauchi: Thank you, come again.
Investors: Well, _that_ was a big bust. Is he _really_ the the chairman of Nintendo?
Iwata: [growls, reaches towards the Investors]
Not surprising considering our money isn't worth much to themwrowa said:There's a nice way to keep 3rd parties on their promises: Money.
But apparently Nintendo thinks deals for Japanese-focused games are much more important than deals for games that also appeal strongly to other audiences. Sometimes it seems like Nintendo still lives in a world where only Japanese games matter...
In context, the 360 was supply constrained its first 6 months, and the PS3 launch was universally considered a disaster. Again Nintendo is only meeting their expectations now because of an $80 drop, the 3DS launch period was a mediocre at best before that point.The_Technomancer said:Will be saving this graph for future threads
Sonic Generations will be reasonably big in NA/EU I think. Especially given it's the only "Nintendo version" available. LEGO Harry Potter and Pokemon Rumble Blast will probably be solid sellers too, though I do agree the western lineups stink compared to the Japan streamroller of a schedule.wrowa said:Sales-wise Nintendo's "only" problem are the American and European markets. The 3DS is doing great numbers in Japan already, and it will continue to do so -- and that's first and foremost due to an excellent upcoming line-up of games.
And I think that's where Nintendo dropped the ball. While the 3DS has a fantastic game line-up for the end of the year in Japan, it's situation in the other countries looks noticably worse. There's not a single strong 3rd party game on its way this year, and everything depends on Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart. I don't know if two games are enough to give 3DS sales a longer-lasting boost. Especially not if both games are from the same franchise, however strong that franchise might be...