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Nintendo Direct 2012.12.5 - Dec. 5th, 6AM EST (JP), 12 PM EST (NA), 5PM GMT
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Skellig Gra
Member
Do we have a Rayman release date yet?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Btw, which retard at Nintendo uploaded the wrong trailer :/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kbNp1UF9jM
That's the E3 one V_V
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kbNp1UF9jM
That's the E3 one V_V
When I got a Wii U I expected droughts, because I only buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games and I understand that there can't be that many major releases in one year, from one company. It's the 3DS stuff that bugs me. I own every console, but the only handhelds I buy are Nintendo ones so I can fill in the gaps between Nintendo releases, so this lack of any info on even previously announced games is a let down.
We didn't even get an AC comment, and LM once again is the same old footage. It seems at this point LM will be in March and AC will be a summer release (when you look at the fact that the ND from a little while back called it first-half instead of early like LM, makes that look likely) which kinda sucks, as that means there may only be one new Nintendo game I get to play before June/July. I feel like there should be a little more than that when you own two Nintendo platforms, and the only retail game they released for 3DS this holiday was Paper Mario.
It's okay, as I have other consoles, but it still feels like this is an especially short year for Nintendo releases.
We didn't even get an AC comment, and LM once again is the same old footage. It seems at this point LM will be in March and AC will be a summer release (when you look at the fact that the ND from a little while back called it first-half instead of early like LM, makes that look likely) which kinda sucks, as that means there may only be one new Nintendo game I get to play before June/July. I feel like there should be a little more than that when you own two Nintendo platforms, and the only retail game they released for 3DS this holiday was Paper Mario.
It's okay, as I have other consoles, but it still feels like this is an especially short year for Nintendo releases.
TheCongressman1
Member
Glad I wasn't the only one that thought this.
Castor Krieg
Banned
I don't think NOA has any saying in what gets shown in Nintendo Direct. They get the info from Japan probably on a short notice, they have to translate it, air it, that's all.
No, that's exactly my problem as well. I know good shit is coming, I just don't know when. Or, in some cases, even less.
Wow. Watched updates of the ND at work, was chuffed to see new Pikmin info, Lego, and get a timeframe for Animal Crossing, Pikmin and some others.
Merrily wanders into this thread...
What on EARTH were some of you guys expecting?? It's not E3 or some other game expo. It's a Nintendo Direct to fill us in on some games coming in the next quarter. They already said they wouldn't be talking about much further in the future until a little after WiiU launch. It's not even out in JP yet so they're hardly going to take focus off launch titles/launch window titles. And they certainly aren't going to start announcing 3rd party multiplatform games cos that's not their call. I really don't see why people expected them to do anything different here.
Edit: nicely summed up below. Thats more info than I was expecting.
Merrily wanders into this thread...
What on EARTH were some of you guys expecting?? It's not E3 or some other game expo. It's a Nintendo Direct to fill us in on some games coming in the next quarter. They already said they wouldn't be talking about much further in the future until a little after WiiU launch. It's not even out in JP yet so they're hardly going to take focus off launch titles/launch window titles. And they certainly aren't going to start announcing 3rd party multiplatform games cos that's not their call. I really don't see why people expected them to do anything different here.
Edit: nicely summed up below. Thats more info than I was expecting.
lol yea...but Nintendo is so huge compared to what they have announced
Can´t wait to see Pikmin 3 at E3 again... you know it will happen.
Azure Dream
Member
"It's just a little Lego, it's still good, it's still good!"
Yeah. Not knowing when stuff is coming (which makes it seem like it can't be that soon then) is the real bummer, as I never expected new announcements.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Man, if only every E3 could be like 2010's.
TheCongressman1
Member
Don't even, please. I can't take it.
dragonflys545
Member
This is exactly how I feel about their Wii U line up.
metalslimer
Member
God I swear. The 3DS lineup looks pretty good, but the Wii U lineup looks fucking horrendous. Nintendo better hope the Wii U is doing well because the early year lineup is basically non existent
WiiRevolution1
Member
Oh I dunno, how about some FUCKING RELEASE DATES??
No release dates for Game & Wario, Luigi's Mansion, Lego City, and Wii Fit U when they are supposedly launching Q1 2013.
I know Nintendo likes to announce release dates close to when they are releasing, but this is rediculous. What about us who have limited money and need to plan accordingly on which games to get? How are we supposed to do that when there aren't any fucking release dates?
It is possible, in fact, I think there is a good chance that Pikmin and Animal Crossing aren't released by early June. Q1 runs through March, meaning, a Q2/first-half game has a decent chance of not being out by the beginning of June.
I think the presentation was a nice reminder that we're in for a typical Nintendo launch drought on Wii U. And the 3ds won't be overflowing with software over the next few months either...
Fox Mulder
Member
I regret this purchase more every day. I can't even sell it due to all the hoarders flooding the market and the general audience not giving a shit about it.
I expected what I saw. The way it was presented (a lot of known footage) and still no clear dates are a dissappointment. (EU here btw)
I wanted to wait for re6 earlier this year and be able to play the online without having to take xbox live subscription. So the game is apparently coming but I don't feel like playing it anymore. And the rayman lite ubisoft is showing since e3 won't help much.
It's unfortunate march is packed for 3ds, some luigi mansion 2 to go along with a later buy of paper mario would have been better for january.
It's unfortunate march is packed for 3ds, some luigi mansion 2 to go along with a later buy of paper mario would have been better for january.
Yay, just got home and this was a plesant surprise.
Yeah, i immediately thought about that when i saw the camera helmet.
That's fair enough i suppose. I'm referring to the people who were expecting big 3rd party stuff or new games.
It's hardly a drought, it's just that they announced stuff way too early. So it ends up seeming like nothing new is coming I suppose. I get that, I just dont get why people thought it would be this huge news-fest.
EU one wasn't great. I'd prefer one ND, with a list of localised dates afterwards.
Why did you buy it so early if it was obvious it would be dry on games for at least half a year? Do you buy consoles just to watch them sink or swim at launch and then give up on them? I figured buying consoles at launch was a hope of things to come in the years beyond. But suit yourself.
As I've said before, I'll pick the Wii U up once Smash Bros. hits. By then I'll have enough to play for it.
Yes it is shopped ofcourse, for fun, but I was actually not expecting somebody would mistake it for official since the stroke pattern used for the green leaves wasn't really properly placed around the text like it should be, if you look closely you'll see, but it was good enough looking from afar.
I think the 3ds problem was they announced stuff too early, and the Wii U problem is they have swung really far in the other direction and haven't announced enough.
I don't think anyone expects these to be news fests, but the videos do serve as a reminder that there really isn't much coming/announced imo.
metalslimer
Member
The Wii U schedule for early next year looks pretty terrible if Pikmin and Wonderful 101 won't be out until Spring at the earliest. Rayman is the biggest saving grace. People didn't expect a ton of megaton announcments, just dates for some of the Wii U games that we assumed were in the launch window.
QuantumBro
Banned
Check via the in-game shop.
grimshawish
Banned
Yeah its not on the eshop.
I think you have to have already played the first 3 coin rush packs as well?
EDIT: Also everyone in the thread, if you havent played ZombiU, do it.
DragonSworne
Banned
I don't understand how a company like Nintendo can't have a healthy output of games.
What did Nintendo do with all that DS and Wii money? Did they not grow their business?
What did Nintendo do with all that DS and Wii money? Did they not grow their business?
Father_Brain
Banned
This. Even as a non-owner who had all his expectations for the system drastically lowered by E3, Nintendo still finds ways to disappoint me.
So Rayman was delayed to give the appearance of a Q1? Because if the demo was any indication that game looked pretty polished already.
But the demo was like two levels. Barely.
Shadow Hog
Member
Honestly, I'm kind of curious as to how Brain Age is supposed to cure my information addiction.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Was hoping for more, but that Pikmin 3 footage looks amazing. Also, Lego city Undercover looks better and better every time I see it.
I agree with the thoughts about these being pointless, though. Nothing came out of it that couldn't have been a simple announcement through a press release/new trailers for websites to post.
I agree with the thoughts about these being pointless, though. Nothing came out of it that couldn't have been a simple announcement through a press release/new trailers for websites to post.
brandonh83
Banned
I'll just continue to use my Wii U for Twilight Princess, which is what I mostly used my Wii for. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Then Nintendo needs more big guns.
Nintendo is just running into budget problems. Let's say they wanted to do 10 major releases a year on the Wii U, and 10 major releases on the eShop. I'm using major releases as shorthand for a title that excites consumers - Punchout Wii, yes, Steel Diver, no.
For 10 portable titles a year, let's say an 18 month development time frame (this number is arbitrary, I know). That means 1 portable team can release 2 games in 3 years. Over the span of 3 years, we need 30 games, 1 team doing 2 of those, so that's 15 development teams on the portable side to keep up the 10 a year pace.
For 10 console titles a year, let's say a 24 month development time frame (again, arbitrary - but someone has to budget for these things, and they'll be arbitrary too). 1 team, 1 game every 2 years, so the math on this one's easy, you need 20 development teams on the console side to do 10 a year.
So that's 35 development teams. If Wikipedia is right, right now they have something like 14 first party teams and 13 second party teams - they'd need to grow in size by half again, at least. I'm saying teams - really, we're talking a full studio here, although Nintendo can obviously share resources so each team doesn't need to be able to do everything by itself, for Nintendo to keep the hits coming. How many employees on a team? I can't find good numbers for that. What if we've got 50 on our portable teams, and 100 on our consoles - now we're talking 750 portable employees and 2000 console employees. That's just for developing software - never mind your hardware employees, marketing, etc. etc. etc. Looking at their financial report, Nintendo only has about 5,000 employees total now - and you're talking about having 2750 doing just software development.
Plus you're talking about the ability to manage and oversee 35 different teams, keep them on their staggered release schedules, and maintain Nintendo-quality.
So I started off writing this post intending to say, Nintendo should just do it. But it's a gigantic investment - let's just ballpark a developer as being worth $100,000 including benefits (this is low end, I hope for you devs out there). That amount times 2750 = $275,000,000 in salary and benefits a YEAR, or about 22 billion yen a year using Nintendo's exchange rate. For 2013 Nintendo budgeted 55 billion yen for all research and development - that includes their hardware, network staff, etc., so who knows how much extra this is. Enough to pause, anyway.
So the main Wii U games I'm interested in purchasing are Pikmin 3, Monster Hunter 3: Ultimate, Bayonetta 2, and The Wonderful 101. Only one of them is in Q1 now (not even a game published by Nintendo)? What the fuck is going on Nintendo? And still no release date for Animal Crossing, the one game I'm interested in on the 3DS. This is going to be a looooong Q1.