So Dreamcast?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Nintendo DS Games in HD
- Thread starter PGamer
- Start date
So Dreamcast?
UltimateIke
Member
Graphics Horse
Member
Okay. I'm using a toaster right now, so my screen resolution is actually lower than the max setting for this, but here're some print-screen comparisons of 3x rendering at least. From The Idolmaster Dearly Stars:
Looks pretty similar to the PSP game, actually!
This shows great use of the DS's hardware outlining system, there's not much texture work in the models, it relies on clever mesh design so that outlines can be drawn around polygons with different ID numbers.
Solid Samus
Banned
does this help to make Black and White's sprite rotation during battle look a little less shit?
perfectchaos007
Member
If Nintendo's next gen handheld allows for DS games to be digitally downloaded in the eshop with HD rendered graphics, I would easily double dip on a ton of games currently in my DS library. Some of these look gorgeous.
DonMigs85
Member
Nah, Dreamcast had higher polygon counts and a soft, filtered look.
Actually, can't this emulator do texture filtering at all?
Holy cow. The amount of detail being discovered here is amazing.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
I'm shocked at how good the Pokemon games look. Makes me wish hi-res texture packs would be possible now.
Not sure if I was doing it right, but here is Cop the Recruit:
Holy shit!
Low resolution rendering is the enemy of 3D graphics. This emulator is awesome.
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker
Star Force and Idolmaster are still the best in my eyes, but almost everything benefits a fair amount. The Crystal Chronicles shots look about as good as the Wii port, sadly enough.
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates
Star Force and Idolmaster are still the best in my eyes, but almost everything benefits a fair amount. The Crystal Chronicles shots look about as good as the Wii port, sadly enough.
I wish I knew a proper way, too. I'm manually printscreening and pasting 'em together for now.
TheCongressman1
Member
What settings are you guys using? I can't get mine to run very well.
DonMigs85
Member
Decided to do that for now.
Juiced 2, probably the best-looking racer on DS:
Diddy Kong Racing
D
Deleted member 74300
Unconfirmed Member
Now we need a decent quality Diddy Kong Racing N64 shot for a good comparison.
chickdigger802
Banned
Would love to see comparison between ff4 iOS and ds
Not even close.
Dreamcast put out some beautiful, clean, crisp visuals with high res textures, filtering etc. The DS looks OK on 3" screens but its visuals are not even near DC quality.
DonMigs85
Member
Yeah, they're generally sticklers for compatibility and maintaining the same look, although N64 VC games do run at 640x480.
Wow. Innocence and SF were two games where I really noticed the resolution limitations, and they look great in higher res.
I'm curious as to how Ghost Trick looks. We already have the iOS version, but I wonder how much the DS version matches it when rendering like this.
XANDER CAGE
Member
I gotta say, in some of these games I'm surprised at how much detail there is in the textures. Surely it was inefficient for some of these games to have such intricate textures considering the output resolution.
D
Deleted member 74300
Unconfirmed Member
Wait a second. Where are the Ninja Gaiden DS shots? Unless that game has problems with emulators.
Refreshment.01
Member
This is the type of thing Nintendo should be offering on their own platforms. If people outside Nintendo or amateurs can code competent emulators, then imagine what could Nintendo achieve with intimate knowledge they have of their devices.
Cooking up emulators for DS, 3DS and Wii for the Wii U should be among the top priorites for the company. Imagine offering the universe of the entire 1st and 3rd party catalogue of the company under one device. Wii U could end up putting decent and better than GC numbers.
But knowing then they'll do that for the next cycle XD
Cooking up emulators for DS, 3DS and Wii for the Wii U should be among the top priorites for the company. Imagine offering the universe of the entire 1st and 3rd party catalogue of the company under one device. Wii U could end up putting decent and better than GC numbers.
But knowing then they'll do that for the next cycle XD
Uncle Rupee
Banned
They could and should, but they're incompetent, so they probably won't. It's a goddamn disgrace.
The DS hardware was designed based on PS1 generation specs, just like the GBA hardware was designed based on SNES generation specs and the 3DS was designed around PS2 generation specs.
DonMigs85
Member
I remember Nintendo itself bragged on their site before that DS could surpass N64 graphics. Which is true in certain ways - despite the lack of texture filtering, games had "free" antialiasing, generally higher poly counts per frame even with that 2048 triangle limit, and many 3D games ran at 60FPS.
It was simply not possibly to emulate the N64 via software on the Wii hardware (heck, I'm not even sure an i7 could do it at 100% speed). Nintendo had to use HLE, like all PC N64 emulators did, and since they were in HLE glitch-land already, increasing the resolution wasn't of much consequence.
Meanwhile, I believe they are able of emulating the DS entirely via software on the Wii U (the DS hardware is much more simple than the N64 hardware, architecture-wise, and it's GPU is integer-based, which is far less CPU-intensive to emulate than a floating-point based GPU like the N64's), which means no resolution increasing.
It's a pattern to Nintendo handhelds to surpass the "console generation" they were inspired by in some areas while underperforming in others:
GBA: much faster CPU than the SNES, much easier to program, much bigger cartridges and could do 2 "mode7" layers... but had worse sound.
Nintendo DS: very easy to reach 60fps (GPU never causes slowdowns, actually), much much much easier to program, bigger cartridges, dedicated sound chip, hardware texture compression, more VRAM, free antialiasing, built-in cell-shader and outline shading... but no texture filtering nor render-to-texture effects (only truly used at the end of the N64's life, however).
Nintendo 3DS: vertex shaders, per-pixel lights with normal mapping and specular highlights, hardware shadow mapping, soft particles, stereo 3D... but slower CPU (albeit dual-core) and lack of indirect texturing (used a *lot* on the GC and Wii for per-pixel distortion effects like water and as a poor-man's normal mapping in some games).
All three also had less buttons than their console brethren (the original GB being the sole exception).
Wolf Akela
Member
Makes me wonder why this hasn't been common in DS emulators. I wasn't aware of any DS emulator that did this until today.
Hmm yeah I guess it's just my DS nostalgia filter, something like Phantasy Star Online, or Shenmue looks way above DS level.
HolyBaikal
Banned
I've heard because there is a lot of coding difference between how 3D and 2D textures work in the Nintendo DS. While 2D textures on the PlayStation are just 2D textures on a flat 3D surface that I've heard. The 2D and 3D textures on the Nintendo DS are completely different, though, which would make things a lot more difficult and complicated.
That means you have to find a way to upscale every 2D and 3D texture evenly or it will cause glitches. And many developers didn't want to do it. I had also heard that the people who developed DeSmuME didn't like upscaled textures and didn't want to support it.
Hibiki Rush
Neo Member
How am I supposed to go back to my DSi after seeing this thread?
when i entered everything grew to a verrrrrry slow crawl, it might be because i was running stuff in the background but my fan kinda started to whirl so i shut it down
i'll try again later
UltimateIke
Member
I think it is different at certain times of the day.
Wailord is the only one I remember what time it shows up.
I've seen multiple mentions of this free AA thing, what is that in reference to? How?
Aquamarine
Member
Ingueferroque
Banned
Is there a Saturn emulator that can do this? I would love to see this treatment with Saturn games..
BlazeHedgehog
Member
As I recall, the first decent Sega Saturn emulator (GiriGiri) could, but the current "standard" emulator (SSF) only renders at native resolution. GiriGiri was later officially bought by Sega, and I think they used it to produce some PC ports of Saturn games in Japan for some kind of weird subscription service thing
Unfortunately I don't think ANY of that stuff was archived and GiriGiri basically doesn't exist anymore (it was literally ten years ago)