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sp0rsk said:
I think the test here is if you would, in a setting with Japanese game fans, say a game is wacky jappy. In an interview with a Japanese developer, you would never ask him how he felt about making games that were "wackyjappy".

Really, the word is pretty offensive.
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I think we've pretty much derailed the thread due to this issues - it'll be better to discuss this in PMs or OT threads. :D
 
Arde5643 said:
I think we've pretty much derailed the thread due to this issues - it'll be better to discuss this in PMs or OT threads. :D
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Eh, the news in this thread is old, it's a good a time as ever to discuss this.
 
sp0rsk said:
I think the test here is if you would, in a setting with Japanese game fans, say a game is wacky jappy. In an interview with a Japanese developer, you would never ask him how he felt about making games that were "wackyjappy".

Really, the word is pretty offensive.
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Sorry to interrupt your conversation sp0rsk but how would you rate the game out of 10?
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Amir0x said:
It'd be analogous if you were trying to rhyme something with American or Western in order to dismiss a type of American or Western game design. Your alarmist interpretation suggests a complete misunderstanding of what is being said.
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No, the point is that GAF has a lot of whites and blacks. I don't go making up sentences with the words "whitey" and "blackey" when referring to those groups. It is just plain offensive to use the word Japanese in that manner. Maybe you misunderstand. But you shouldn't anymore since I just made myself clearer.
 
Bit-Bit said:
No, the point is that GAF has a lot of whites and blacks. I don't go making up sentences with the words "whitey" and "blackey" when referring to those groups. It is just plain offensive to use the word Japanese in that manner. Maybe you misunderstand. But you shouldn't anymore since I just made myself clearer.
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Again, you're just spinning your wheels and not listening. If you made the phrase WACKY AMERICAN (it doesn't rhyme at all, but ignore that for now), THAT would be the equal of "WackyJappy." NOT "Wacky Blackey" or "Wacky Whitey." It is referring to the LAND that this type of uniquely insane videogame comes from. It's a blanket statement usually used to dismiss this category of games. It suggests nothing inherently negative about Japan OR the people who make games in Japan, nor does it suggests anything inherently positive.

It's a completely neutral term that is not in any way racist, and was coined probably somewhere on the internet a few years ago for all its short history implies. It JUST means "a type of game from Japan that has off-the-wall concepts'
 
Amir0x said:
Again, you're just spinning your wheels and not listening. If you made the phrase WACKY AMERICAN (it doesn't rhyme at all, but ignore that for now), THAT would be the equal of "WackyJappy." NOT "Wacky Blackey" or "Wacky Whitey." It is referring to the LAND that this type of uniquely insane videogame comes from. It's a blanket statement usually used to dismiss this category of games. It suggests nothing inherently negative about Japan OR the people who make games in Japan, nor does it suggests anything inherently positive.

It's a completely neutral term that is not in any way racist, and was coined probably somewhere on the internet a few years ago for all its short history implies. It JUST means "a type of game from Japan that has off-the-wall concepts'
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Not really, jappy sounds more like "Jap", which was a racist word back then and perhaps, still now.
 
Amir0x said:
Again, you're just spinning your wheels and not listening. If you made the phrase WACKY AMERICAN (it doesn't rhyme at all, but ignore that for now), THAT would be the equal of "WackyJappy." NOT "Wacky Blackey" or "Wacky Whitey." It is referring to the LAND that this type of uniquely insane videogame comes from. It's a blanket statement usually used to dismiss this category of games. It suggests nothing inherently negative about Japan OR the people who make games in Japan, nor does it suggests anything inherently positive.

It's a completely neutral term that is not in any way racist, and was coined probably somewhere on the internet a few years ago for all its short history implies. It JUST means "a type of game from Japan that has off-the-wall concepts'
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I try not to spin my wheels as much as you do. I might get ban.
 
HAL_Laboratory said:
The world is so quick to jump on someone that isn't being hyper-politically correct. Reminds me of that George Carland skit...
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The world loves to have villains - it's easier to put a blame on someone than it is to fix what caused it in the first place.


Woo, Oprah moment there, baby!!
 
Kittonwy said:
As a chinese canadian I have no problem if anyone here uses the word wackyellowy.
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:lol

Anyway, thanks for your input sp0rsk. I agree with your sentiments. Here's my post earlier in this thread:

I remember seeing a member being banned for using the term "jap". He wasn't using it in any condescending way, but as an albeit, stupid abbreviation (he had an anime avatar and name). I am surprised the using the term "wacky jappy" isn't an offense especially with how culture sensitive and ban-happy the mods are around here.
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Arde5643 said:
Not really, jappy sounds more like "Jap", which was a racist word back then and perhaps, still now.
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This is what was said in the start. Something is not racist merely because it sounds similar or is SPELLED similar. And "Jappy" sounds like "JAPAN", which is not racist.

Bit-Bit said:
I try not to spin my wheels as much as you do. I might get ban.
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You won't get banned
 
Amir0x said:
I just think things like Wii Fit cost a bit too much for there to be an onslaught uprising like Brain Training or Nintendogs had. Casual gamers like the price of the handheld games, allows them to invest more freely.
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But the thing is, even though Wii Fit costs a bit too much, the Jpn consumers still bought them. Video games and any other products, Japanese are generally consumer sheeps, they buy what the media says is going to be/is popular. Wii Fit is just another one of those.

Many consumers make lame excuses like, "Oh that game is expensive so I won't buy it." or "That console is too big in my living room". O RLY...Wii Fit costs 8800yen and that is a bit expensive than your typical game, but people buy it (hell Dragon Quest is 8800yen and casuals buy it!). The balance board covers almost the same area (if not more?) as the Xbox1, yet it is in their living room. It's all excuses people come up with to justify not buying the game.

It's how you sell a product, not the contents...no wonder companies just produce "non-games" cuz games that are considered good just don't sell here in Japan anymore. It's pretty sad really.
 
Amir0x said:
Again, you're just spinning your wheels and not listening. If you made the phrase WACKY AMERICAN (it doesn't rhyme at all, but ignore that for now), THAT would be the equal of "WackyJappy." NOT "Wacky Blackey" or "Wacky Whitey." It is referring to the LAND that this type of uniquely insane videogame comes from. It's a blanket statement usually used to dismiss this category of games. It suggests nothing inherently negative about Japan OR the people who make games in Japan, nor does it suggests anything inherently positive.

It's a completely neutral term that is not in any way racist, and was coined probably somewhere on the internet a few years ago for all its short history implies. It JUST means "a type of game from Japan that has off-the-wall concepts'
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You're splitting hairs here. It's not referring to a "land" it's referring to a culture. And it does have negative connotations.
 
Amir0x said:
This is what was said in the start. Something is not racist merely because it sounds similar or is SPELLED similar. And "Jappy" sounds like "JAPAN", which is not racist.
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Just like Niggar is not racist, because it's different from ni**** although spelled similarly.

That kind of similarity?
 
Teddman said:
Japan is one of the most racist, xenophobic nations on earth. Just sayin.
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I think you're mistaking South Korea with Japan and mistaking racism for discrimination - although Japan is probably second most discriminatory country in the world.
 
I think I will always see Killer 7 as SUDA's masterpiece. Granted its strongest suit, the game's story, was extremely complicated and intensely political/pseudo-religious, over all it was an amazing experience. Flawed, without a doubt, but amazing.

I'm feeling a sort of "Killer 7 lite" vibe from NMH. While the story is definitely more focused, more streamlined, it seems to me the game would have benefited from less freedom. No overworld crap, none of this mini game business, just two dozen or so plot missions.

To be honest, and although it will never bloody happen, Id love to see this game ported to ps3. I love SUDA51 no doubt about it, but I dont see many developers giving him a chance after this. Whats next? A fatal frame remake?
 
Arde5643 said:
I think you're mistaking South Korea with Japan and mistaking racism for discrimination - although Japan is probably second most discriminatory country in the world.
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Fair enough. Let's just say very discriminatory and xenophobic.
 
sp0rsk said:
You're splitting hairs here. It's not referring to a "land" it's referring to a culture. And it does have negative connotations.
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But it is, the country of Japan. Wacky games born from Japan are "WackyJappy". That's really the extent of it. I don't think that's splitting hairs, but then again I'm not trying to be PC.

Whether it has negative connotations has to do with perspective, I think. If someone called Katamari Damacy "wackyJappy" - which it is - I don't think that'd be considered a negative thing. That's one of the things people embraced about it. When I use it I use it to dismiss this type of game because I generally hate games which have some absurd over-the-top shit from Japan developers, but I don't think that's something that could be said of everyone.

Arde said:
Just like Niggar is not racist, because it's different from ni**** although spelled similarly.

That kind of similarity?
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uh, no. Not even remotely similar.
 
Teddman said:
Fair enough. Let's just say very discriminatory and xenophobic.
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Yup, 99.9999999999% everyone in the world is discriminatory against any other race, most of them aren't racist though.
 
Teddman said:
Japan is one of the most racist, xenophobic nations on earth. Just sayin.
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Well if it's anything like a Vietnam than it's just not that they mean to be racist. A lot of the older generations are still around. From why I see in my daily lives, the older generations are just old fashion. For example, my mom yells at me constantly because all of my girlfriends are American girls. She would say things like, "They can't cook for you and all they do is party and smoke." I tell her this is untrue but she refuses to listen. At the same time, my mom is the farthest thing from a racist...
 
Kittonwy said:
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What a cute kid.

So, kitton, when are you going to replace the sad face tag on your name with the indefferent one?
I think it's about time you get a step up from sadness to indifference. :D
 
CurseoftheGods said:
Have you seen the anime? I want to check it out. Is it worth my time?
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If you're looking for the second Cowboy Bebop, prepare to be dissapointed.

If you're looking for a cool, funky show about absolutely nothing but samurai action and cool hiphop riffs, enjoy yourself.
 
CurseoftheGods said:
Have you seen the anime? I want to check it out. Is it worth my time?
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Oh it's fantastic. By the same dudes who made Cowboy Bebop, if I recall correctly, and it properly echoes CB in its tone and arrangement.

More for style than sentiments, though. Not as mature but definitely a great ride, I'd pick it up used at an EB/Gamestop if I were you. Usually end up finding one or two volumes of it just about any day in those places.


And the game is a proper fit in the series, as well. I completely enjoyed it.
 
Mr. Spinnington said:
Oh it's fantastic. By the same dudes who made Cowboy Bebop, if I recall correctly, and it properly echoes CB in its tone and arrangement.

More for style than sentiments, though. Not as mature but definitely a great ride, I'd pick it up used at an EB/Gamestop if I were you. Usually end up finding one or two volumes of it just about any day in those places.


And the game is a proper fit in the series, as well. I completely enjoyed it.
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Awesome. Thanks man. I LOVE Cowboy Bebop. :D
 
If you're not allowed to use jap, but you're allowed to say jappy. Does that mean while I'm not allowed to say nigger, I can say niggy? :P
 
Amir0x said:
But it is, the country of Japan. Wacky games born from Japan are "WackyJappy". That's really the extent of it. I don't think that's splitting hairs, but then again I'm not trying to be PC.

Whether it has negative connotations has to do with perspective, I think. If someone called Katamari Damacy "wackyJappy" - which it is - I don't think that'd be considered a negative thing. That's one of the things people embraced about it. When I use it I use it to dismiss this type of game because I generally hate games which have some absurd over-the-top shit from Japan developers, but I don't think that's something that could be said of everyone.
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Amir0x, all due respect, but this sounds as dangerously close to the "Don Imus Explanation for using completely inappropriate terms" as one can get. I'm surprised you and sp0rsk haven't had this out in PMs yet and had the term removed completely.
 
So I watched a few game play videos of NMH and it seems to me like it would definitely appeal to the audience that thinks crazy artsy stuff with a touch of Japanese is amazing. To me that is a good thing. It needs to start somewhere before word of mouth can spread.

I can already think of a bunch of friends who would buy this game as soon as they see a featurette on it where Travis Touchdown says "shithead!" randomly and wields a lightsabre.

Ya know, the same people that watches Kill Bill and, um....the Animatrix. Both of which are AWESOME!
 
duckroll said:
If you're not allowed to use jap, but you're allowed to say jappy. Does that mean while I'm not allowed to say nigger, I can say niggy? :P
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Adding -y makes everything cute, doesn't it.
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