Notice how XBox is quietly doing well?

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This might be one of the cringiest things I've seen in so long. The fucking cult of personality around Phil is hilarious. I think Phil is great, and has really helped the Xbox brand but people are weirdly obsessed with him. He's a corporate leader not your best friend.
People do the same thing with Shu and Reggie. It's fucking weird.
 
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I’ve tried to own an Xbox One 3 times now. Each time I return it due to a stupid problem Microsoft could have avoided. The noise level of the X is grating, and the Xbox UI is the worst designed UI ever.

Microsoft would be wise to fold Windows gaming PC into the next Xbox and give up on the actual console market considering literally everything else is outselling them.
 
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People do the same thing with Shu and Reggie. It's fucking weird.
I am not sure about Reggie anymore, it is way past the Wii times and Shu gives so few public speeches I am surprised people still remember or talk about him. Also neither was trying to be presented as the Suit converted into massive gamer saving the day (the other great transformation was Eng Allard becoming MTV Hipster Allard :)).
 
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I’ve tried to own an Xbox One 3 times now. Each time I return it due to a stupid problem Microsoft could have avoided. The noise level of the X is grating, and the Xbox UI is the worst designed UI ever.

Microsoft would be wise to fold Windows gaming PC into the next Xbox and give up on the actual console market considering literally everything else is outselling them.
I don't know how quiet Switch is, but out of Xbox One OG, X, PS4 OG and PS4 Pro..... X is the quietest.
 
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People do the same thing with Shu and Reggie. It's fucking weird.
I feel like a lot of the Reggie stuff was basically a meme, and people like both of them because they seem cool. I don't recall (at least personally) seeing people talk about Reggie or Shuhei like they were a messiah from the gods who single handedly will save the company they work for.
I don't know how quiet Switch is, but out of Xbox One OG, X, PS4 OG and PS4 Pro..... X is the quietest.
Some have coil whine, so maybe that's what he is talking about.
 
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They are still alive as a Microsoft division , I guess this is a "victory" to Phil or Xbox fans....

Regarding the XBone X , is a great hardware very quiet and the best place to play non exclusive "4k" games. RDR2 , Tomb Rider , AC Odyssey look gorgeous.....waiting for Metro Exodus next week.
 
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I don't generally like xbox's first party lineup, But BC and GP are a great combo that prop up the other. Without each other each service wouldn't be all that, but they are good together.
 
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I’ve tried to own an Xbox One 3 times now. Each time I return it due to a stupid problem Microsoft could have avoided. The noise level of the X is grating, and the Xbox UI is the worst designed UI ever.

Microsoft would be wise to fold Windows gaming PC into the next Xbox and give up on the actual console market considering literally everything else is outselling them.
That's weird. I've found the X to be completely silent.

And that's not a joke about how it sits unused 90% of the time because the games suck for it. I mean in the rare times when I'm actually playing a game on it there is just no sound coming from it whatsoever.
 
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Yes. I have noticed. I have also noticed how Salty threads like these make Sony fans. Why? Couldn’t tell you. They shouldn’t feel threatened nor waste time fighting the truth.

Xbox and MS are doing great. Anyone who says they aren’t is a fucking idiot. The numbers are out there.
 
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Well, its the best console to play 99% of the games... the xbox threads are getting saltier and saltier, attracting more brand warriors, i would say thats a good indication of its impact.
 

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Every. Single. Time.
On one side no thread is a fan safe space where nobody can criticise anything (trollish one liners / banter is not "criticism" at all... it is trolling...) ...
On the other side... can we go to the "Sony threads" without finding a similar clique ;)? No... just another day in SonyGAF :)?
 
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Not sure that this deserves a thread, but Xbox is doing fine. All three console manufacturers are actually doing fine, and that's good.

Much better than having one manufacturer doing so bad for whatever reasons, that it has to exit the market, and makes a ton of fans sad (Sega...)
 
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Who cares if a console sells less. As long as it gets good games and has enough gamers to fill MP matches, whether it's 1 billion, 100 million or 10 million does it really matter?
Of course it matters. More consoles sold = much larger target audience. If you want to make a game exclusive to one console, which console sounds more attractive? The one which is owned by 10 million people or the one owned by 1 million? Which console choice for an exclusive will (potentially) give you more units sold?

Also, Xbox Live and PSN are depending on the number of owners. If Sony sells 1 billion PS4s, this means that it can potentially gain 50 billion dollars per year by PSN subscriptions alone.

Number of units sold MATTERS.
 
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This thread is akin to congratulating an old person for not dying yet.

XBOX is in a much better position for the next gen than it was for this generations botched launch, but to say it's doing well because PS4 owners have stopped talking about it is missing the point, they are probably just too busy playing those exclusives, or consider the Switch as the only real competition,
 
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Every console fanboyism thread reminds me of that Hellblazer comic where two sides are arguing, but when a third gets fucked, the previous two get along together because they both hate the third group.

Not the situation per se, but the word Constantine used to describe it. I'll make a quick search.

Edit: LMAO, found it.

 
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I can see you are way too excited and into your little tale... maybe asstr.org would be better suited? I think a short time off may help...
Quietly doing well? Is this like when you jack off in a room with five people and nobody knows you got off? Is this "quietly doing well"? Sounds like they're the lonely boy. But what do you do when your console is associated with jerking off or called The SEXBOX NONE? The only sexbox that gets any play is Sony and HER NAME is PLAYSTATION because she gets played with all the time.

OOoooooooOOoooooOhhHHHHhhh!
 
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1998 of those are on PS4 or PC
I’ve tried to own an Xbox One 3 times now. Each time I return it due to a stupid problem Microsoft could have avoided. The noise level of the X is grating, and the Xbox UI is the worst designed UI ever.

Microsoft would be wise to fold Windows gaming PC into the next Xbox and give up on the actual console market considering literally everything else is outselling them.
Someone sure sounds salty.
 
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I think MS is self-sabotaging itself. By making all current and future XBOX games console exclusive (which means you can also get them on your pc), it immediately gives you a second option to buy these exclusives. You want Bloodborne? Tough luck - buy a PS4. You want Gears of War 4? You can play it on your PC - no need to buy an Xbox for it.

This is detrimental to the console's sales, IMO.
Sigh. Again how many people have a good enough PC for Gears? Your HP Stream 13 will not play Gears. The reason XBox is not doing well is a multitude of things, but having the games on PC is not one of them.
 
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What 'imaginary event' are you referring to? I said plainly that Xbox games being available to PC has resulted in less Xbox console sales. This is a fact, not fiction. Xbox would have sold far more consoles if its titles were truly exclusive instead of just console exclusive.
Provide your evidence as to how many extra XBox units would have been sold w/o Play Anywhere program existing. Console people don't care about what's happening on PC and no ResetEra & Gaf are not the world.
 
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Quietly doing well? Is this like when you jack off in a room with five people and nobody knows you got off? Is this "quietly doing well"? Sounds like they're the lonely boy. But what do you do when your console is associated with jerking off or called The SEXBOX NONE? The only sexbox that gets any play is Sony and HER NAME is PLAYSTATION because she gets played with all the time.

OOoooooooOOoooooOhhHHHHhhh!
GAF should have age restrictions if these pre-pubes are posting to the point of near-climax.

Over a console.
 
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What 'imaginary event' are you referring to? I said plainly that Xbox games being available to PC has resulted in less Xbox console sales. This is a fact, not fiction. Xbox would have sold far more consoles if its titles were truly exclusive instead of just console exclusive.
No axtually Your stance is fiction. Pc isn't cannibalizing Xbox fans at all, and considering the Windows store we have data to back that up as well.

Show me where PC cannibalize Xbox sales? This fiction has been spread since 2001. Some of the best 360 games were on PC. I see Xbox having slanted sales ratios to PC, where is the cannibalization?
 
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This has literally nothing to do with the affilation of the OP. Its just low quality and if it were Sony i would have said the same.

That its Microsoft is what it is.

I am not attacking anything but the OP but nice try getting your antagonistical onset out there again. As usual devoid of any sense of reality, only containing the typical Freedom Gate Co. assumptions that come so naturally with you.
That was a reading comprehension test. If you actually read the post I swapped the companies positions. I said you attacked PS not Xbox.

I just needed to make sure, thanks for confirming my previous thoughts on your uh...yeah.
 

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That was a reading comprehension test. If you actually read the post I swapped the companies positions. I said you attacked PS not Xbox..
What you are doing is being childish and making assumptions. Rich from you issuing tests when your goggles in prior threads needed re-adjustment.

I just needed to make sure, thanks for confirming my previous thoughts on your uh...yeah.
Or you can just, you know... Grow up and be a capable poster. It can't be hard for you considering your level of discourse at present.
 

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because hes a fanboy i guess?. xbox isn't doing great, microsoft is . its easy to make profit off digital platform investment. tho they are making the right moves for next gen .

for now. in my books and many others. xbox one is the worst game console since probably sega saturn. even the staurn might actually have more high profile exclusives than the xbone

if consoles had no exclusives. I'd literally buy a good gaming laptop. and just hook up the HDMI to the tv whenever I want to play a game instead of buying a dedicated machine that takes space. exclusives are incentive to invest in a platform which makes sense.
and you'd still be able to play Xbox games.
 
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Brah N64 kept being sold for years after Sega pulled the plug on everything, remember? Also, let's not forget Sega's inept history in Japan until the Saturn came out (it was their only truly successful console over there) and how Nintendo's situation was entirely different, having heavily dominated the two previous gens over there. Remember how the SNES also came out 2 years after the Mega Drive in Japan? Why do you suppose the story was different that time around considering how great the Mega Drive's library is? Remember, the Playstation released only 10 days after the Saturn.
If by performance you mean sales, you're right... if you mean available titles you're off your meds. It has one of the most impressive libraries of all time if you're into arcade games. It's probably the king of arcade libraries, all things considered.
Xbox One has literally 12 exclusive releases, 2 of which are compilation releases and 8 of which are garbage... All things considered the Xbox One has 3 good titles you can't play anywhere else: Halo 5, Battletoads Arcade and Forza 5. How in the hell is that an apt comparison to the Saturn's library?
No see that's not how this works.

the N64 sold nearly half the Saturn's Ltd in first year.

It then in 2 years was less than 800k for the Saturn's Ltd.

In fact you can thank the DC for why the N64 didnt pass the saturn and just made it to a draw. The N64 started crashing in 99.

That was with lower software sales, few Jrpgs, and a 2 year delay.

Your Megadrive comparison was flawed. The Saturn did well in japan and had the popular genres they wanted to play there. The Megadrive never did well in Japan. Even in the west its status didn't really start until Sonic 1s release.

There not much of a comparison between the Saturn and Megadrive. Add that the Snes wasnt delayed for two years after advertising skipped launch dates, and the fact the mega drive overseas only became competitive after Snes came out.

For Japan you also have to consider the TG16 which makes you're SNES Japanese comparison irrelevant anyway. The PC engine slapped the Megadrive around before the SNES came out there.

The Saturn was a completely different situation. It just wasn't a strong enough console over there.

As for Xbox you're desperate. We have threads with console exclusives and full exclusives. You are trying to act like Xbox only has 12 exclusives which is false and why no ones taking your post seriously. You also seem to repeat the nonsense that games on PC don't count when you likely dont have a PC that can run AAA games like MOST PC gamers, and the Windows store doing poorly also proves that no one's playing many Xbox games on PC.

Xbox is also ran competently and quickly fixes mistakes, unlike Sega who never had any real standing in the console market outside one time, and got lucky ONE time with ONE console and still fucked up and messed that up to.
 
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What you are doing is being childish and making assumptions. Rich from you issuing tests when your goggles in prior threads needed re-adjustment.


Or you can just, you know... Grow up and be a capable poster. It can't be hard for you considering your level of discourse at present.
So instead of acknowledging you read the post wrong you.m result to in......

Look no need for all this aggression, let's all just agree to disagree on the subject. No issues here.
 

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So instead of acknowledging you read the post wrong you.m result to in......
You need to install an update, your code is becoming apparent.

Look no need for all this aggression, let's all just agree to disagree on the subject. No issues here.
There was no need for your instigating original post in the first place.
 
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The difference being my prior posts in the other threads were supplemental info that you took wrongly and assumed ill-intent over, versus you doing a cheap potshot.

Grow up.
No they weren't, otherwise that mod wouldn't have shown up. But keep pretending to be righteous.

Im trying to settle the difference. No need for anymore hostilities.
 
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No see that's not how this works.
What?


the N64 sold nearly half the Saturn's Ltd in first year.

It then in 2 years was less than 800k for the Saturn's Ltd.
All I have access to is the final sales tally, personally. But I'd very much like to read a more detailed breakdown if you'd be so inclined to share. Let's not kid ourselves, though, alot of that has to be because of the impact of the transition to 3D and because the Saturn's library was lacking in that particular regard, not because the library was bad or lacking in general.


That was with lower software sales, few Jrpgs, and a 2 year delay.
Not that it matters but weren't N64 sales heavily frontloaded across all regions? All it's system sellers came out within the first 2 years, no? Again, this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, I'm actually asking as I'm curious and you seem to know more than me about the subject.


Your Megadrive comparison was flawed. The Saturn did well in japan and had the popular genres they wanted to play there. The Megadrive never did well in Japan. Even in the west its status didn't really start until Sonic 1s release.

There not much of a comparison between the Saturn and Megadrive. Add that the Snes wasnt delayed for two years after advertising skipped launch dates, and the fact the mega drive overseas only became competitive after Snes came out.

For Japan you also have to consider the TG16 which makes you're SNES Japanese comparison irrelevant anyway. The PC engine slapped the Megadrive around before the SNES came out there.
You misread my point, that's why it's coming across as flawed. I know the Mega Drive was never successful, I even said so in my post and that is precisely the point. Considering how "unsuccessful" (they had moderate success, I'm speaking relatively, here) Sega had been up until that point and how succesful and dominant Nintendo had been, market analysis principles paint the Saturn as a roaring success when compared to the N64. That the N64 did so poorly (again, relatively) despite Nintendo's track record with consumers up 'til that point and that it had a much bigger novelty item factor going for it with the analog stick and complete focus on 3D paints a clear picture to me, the Saturn is by far Sega's greatest success story in Japan. Which is the main point of my comparison because the fifth generation was still heavily dominated by japanese developers, which is even more so the case when it comes to the Saturn's library (which is essentially my only point). I am not and was not overselling the Saturn's library in the slightest. It is completely filled to the brim with hit after hit after hit if you're of the arcade inclination (which I have always been and remain to this day). If arcade titles aren't your thing, there was still plenty to love but of course... arcade experiences were the backbone of the system. It is unquestionably one of the greatest ever systems if you value arcade titles in the slightest (much like the PC Engine, which also has a beastly library that is also often belittled by westerners who don't much care for arcade experiences).


The Saturn was a completely different situation. It just wasn't a strong enough console over there.
It was still as strong as Sega ever was in Japan by quite a margin and a beastly system for arcade conversions.


As for Xbox you're desperate. We have threads with console exclusives and full exclusives. You are trying to act like Xbox only has 12 exclusives which is false and why no ones taking your post seriously. You also seem to repeat the nonsense that games on PC don't count when you likely dont have a PC that can run AAA games like MOST PC gamers, and the Windows store doing poorly also proves that no one's playing many Xbox games on PC.

Xbox is also ran competently and quickly fixes mistakes, unlike Sega who never had any real standing in the console market outside one time, and got lucky ONE time with ONE console and still fucked up and messed that up to.
I'm going to preface what I'm about to say by making it quite obvious I have no ill feelings towards the Xbox brand in the slightest. I jumped on the original Xbox very soon in it's life because, as a Sega Kid, that's where alot of my favorite IPs moved to. Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, OutRun 2 and Crazy Taxi 3 were all huge deals for me personally. 360 was my main platform last gen for the longest time until I transitioned into PC gaming about ~7 years ago.
That said, how is the FACT that it has only 12 exclusives false? It is an indisputable matter of fact that is beyond questioning and one of the driving factors behind me not having bought a One yet. I will be purchasing one eventually, that much I know for sure. I even own 5 games for it already (Rare Replay, Master Chief Collection, Halo 5, Forza Horizon 2 and Sunset Overdrive) but the fact of the matter is, considering I can play almost everything I want on my PC, I really see no point in purchasing a One yet. Gotta say, that appeal to probability was very weird on your part considering how loud I am about being a PC first guy and that this is an enthusiast forum. And you can bet I am one of the people using the Windows store (though I've only used it for Quantum Break and Forza Horizon 3 and 4, so far).

I love that you resort to insulting Sega as if that adds any relevance to your point. Sega was incompetently managed and deserved what they got, it was a result of their own incompetence. Me being a Sega fanboy doesn't prevent me from noticing how poorly run the company was or how stupid many of their decisions were. I love Sega for their games. I love the Mega Drive, the Saturn and the Dreamcast for their libraries. I wouldn't still be into collecting for them nowdays if I could get the same games elsewhere because the fact of the matter is I couldn't care less about the collecting itself, I just want to be able to play the games (I immediately sold my copies of Guardian Heroes and Radiant Silvergun as soon as they got released on 360). That is the problem with the Xbox One as a platform for us enthusiasts... the games just aren't there. I have a PS4, a Switch and a 3DS because they're full of exclusive titles I can't get anywhere else (or because they offer portability). The One has very little to pique my interest outside of what it's backward compatibility offers. There is nothing false about it only having 12 exclusives, that is the exact amount of exclusive releases it has.

As a big Forza Horizon fan, I very much approve of Microsoft's decision to publish it's games on PCs, by the way. The One is also quite an awesome console. If I could use my 360 controllers on it I would've bought one already to replace my 360.
 
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Issue here is Japanese did not dominate software at that time outside Japan. That's a myth.

Now with that out the way @Z.. , the Saturn had plenty of 3D games in Japan. I have no idea why you're trying to make the N64 look like some wizard that would always do better.

Even at Ltd the Saturn had more high selling titles and better software sales in general. It had the popular genres, and in some cases shared popular games with the PSX. The n64 was delayed and was outselling the saturn by a good ratio every year until the saturn was discontinued and outsold the Saturn in it's best year. Also iirc correctly Japanese Saturn analog beat n64 analogue (was actually digital but that's another discussion) to the market or were near the same time. N64 really had no real novelty over the Saturn in Japan.

Sega also cut off the Saturn with the DC. Issue with Sega is they themselves often help their own demise. Saturn in japan actually could have been better.

Also there's no insult to Sega just facts, they never did anything competently in the console space. People get upset with that but they had poorly handled every game console they put out. Genesis started with luck primarily because of SoA but they messed that up in the end as well.

Xbox has made mistakes but like Sony, tries to fix them and generally doesn't shoot themselves in the head causing internal panic across the company and people pointing fingers as the ship sinks.

As for Xbox there are more than 12 "full exclusives" gaf has a search box, it's false. Period.

As for you personally you may be one of the 5 Windows store users but you've been generalizing the pc issue as if PC will significantly cannibalize sales. Which is false. MS doesn't care about your type of user outside extra $, they dont consider you all a threat to Xbox because you're not.

You May not like Xbox Ones output this gen and that's fine but when your intentionally attacking Xbox by comparing it to a company that has almost never been competent in the console market on nearly any objective level it just reads bad.
 
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