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NPD: PlayStation 5 has highest launch month for a hardware platform in U.S. history.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Again, it was more about the latter part of his claim.
Agnostic2020
Member
It is the highest unit wise for a launch of any console in history. Not just $ (for launch month compared to all other consoles at launch month)
Bernd Lauert
Banned
You can doubt all you want, I know the stock situation here. XSX is never in stock, XSS is occasionally in stock but then sold out like an hour later.
Agnostic2020
Member
It is laughable that u try to portray xbox doing good in Germany. But sure what ever makes u happy .
Interfectum
Member
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Can't do much better than being sold out.
v_iHuGi
Banned
Doubt what? He's statement is true I'm European.
Agnostic2020
Member
Oh sold out has nothing to do with it. You can ship 1000 console per month and be sold out all the time .market share is what matters
Interfectum
Member
It's going to be interesting when all the xbox fans switch from stressing over console sales to 'bu bu GamePass' in their daily arguments. Series X and S are never going to outsell or even get close to Switch or PS5's units. This is as good as it's going to get so might as well start researching your MAU argument bullpoints now. 
diffusionx
Gold Member
Sony ramps PS5 production to 10 million units for 2020
Sony is cranking up production on its upcoming console, doubling the expected sell-through for the first batch of consoles from 5 million to 10 million.
techreport.com
assurdum
Banned
That's not what you said
Anyway
Amazon Spain https://www.amazon.es/Microsoft-RRS-00009-Xbox-Series-S/dp/B087VM5XC6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=xbox+series+s&qid=1607701530&quartzVehicle=861-1514&replacementKeywords=xbox+series&sr=8-1
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This is funny though, before today there was no talk of supply constraints, everyone thought X/S, especially with the cheap Series S, would blow past XB1's numbers in the US.
Now that the numbers are out, talk has switched to 'no stock'.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's going to be interesting when all the xbox fans switch from stressing over console sales to 'bu bu GamePass' in their daily arguments. Series X and S are never going to outsell or even get close to Switch or PS5's units. This is as good as it's going to get so might as well start researching your MAU argument bullpoints now.
Well, consoles barely make any money. The entire point of this console endeavor is to lure gamers into your marketplace and make money on that 30% fee.
I just realized....there are gonna be more excuses this gen if/when PS5 sales damn near double Series consoles.
One things for sure....power doesnt sell consoles like some think. MS seriously didnt think the demand was gonna be higher with all that powa? I wonder how long Phil, MS can lean on 'started manufacturing later because we had to wait for AMD tech to be ready.'
If thats the case....Series X should have infinity cache and Zen 3 L3 cache setup...maybe Series X has some RDNA 3, Zen 4 tech?
So much contradictory info from folks that have inside MS, Xbox info over the past year.
Whats wild about all that....didnt github show Series X already with RT and VRS....isnt that how all the PS5 doesnt have RT started....
?
One things for sure....power doesnt sell consoles like some think. MS seriously didnt think the demand was gonna be higher with all that powa? I wonder how long Phil, MS can lean on 'started manufacturing later because we had to wait for AMD tech to be ready.'
If thats the case....Series X should have infinity cache and Zen 3 L3 cache setup...maybe Series X has some RDNA 3, Zen 4 tech?
So much contradictory info from folks that have inside MS, Xbox info over the past year.
Whats wild about all that....didnt github show Series X already with RT and VRS....isnt that how all the PS5 doesnt have RT started....
?
yurinka
Member
I'd say they were talking about worldwide sales. Consider that at launch day they released it in more countries than XBO. So sales in these extra countries could compensate the difference in USA.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Again, it was more about the latter part of his claim.
Interfectum
Member
Consoles are, by far, the biggest way to generate money from your ecosystem. MAUs from PC and mobile mean jackshit when compared to a console owner. You'll see this in earnings reports from Sony vs MS unless MS finds a way to hide how much they are making from Xbox.
Topher
Gold Member
I just realized....there are gonna be more excuses this gen if/when PS5 sales damn near double Series consoles.
One things for sure....power doesnt sell consoles like some think. MS seriously didnt think the demand was gonna be higher with all that powa? I wonder how long Phil, MS can lean on 'started manufacturing later because we had to wait for AMD tech to be ready.'
If thats the case....Series X should have infinity cache and Zen 3 L3 cache setup...maybe Series X has some RDNA 3, Zen 4 tech?
So much contradictory info from folks that have inside MS, Xbox info over the past year.
Whats wild about all that....didnt github show Series X already with RT and VRS....isnt that how all the PS5 doesnt have RT started....
?
One thing the world has no shortage of is excuses.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Demon's Souls at 10 is disappointing. I wasn't going to buy it because I didn't like it that much on PS3 but it's an incredible achievement. I keep thinking about it.
I'm playing as a Royal this time and it's a lot more fun and manageable with the magic spells.
That pandemic also affects Sony and Nintendo. Even worse because they have to manage the release and development of games too at the same time.
PS4 games and consoles are still being produced and distributed along with the PS5. Meanwhile, Xbox completely stopped the production of S/One X months ago and I could still find the launch edition of Gears 5 for 10 bucks (with Terminator code) at Walmart last week. They are not printing new copies of that.
It's great that they sold everything tho so there is some demand there but blaming the pandemic? I'm not sure.
I'm playing as a Royal this time and it's a lot more fun and manageable with the magic spells.
That pandemic also affects Sony and Nintendo. Even worse because they have to manage the release and development of games too at the same time.
PS4 games and consoles are still being produced and distributed along with the PS5. Meanwhile, Xbox completely stopped the production of S/One X months ago and I could still find the launch edition of Gears 5 for 10 bucks (with Terminator code) at Walmart last week. They are not printing new copies of that.
It's great that they sold everything tho so there is some demand there but blaming the pandemic? I'm not sure.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
No they're not. They're usually sold at cost or maybe slightly above. There is no money in selling consoles.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Thanks!
assurdum
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Aceofspades
Banned
Bernd Lauert
Banned
No, I was calling him out on his bullshit.
Interfectum
Member
I'm not talking about the money made from console, im talking about the console customer they gained from the sale. Customers with your console generate the most money for your ecosystem.
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ethomaz
Banned
It is November... all these titles have big sales numbers.Software:
The people arguing that the sold-out Xbox would've sold more (lmao) if it came with exclusives need to look at this. Demon's Souls is a borderline bomba, especially since these are dollar sales and DeS costs 70 bucks a piece.
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assurdum
Banned
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
First it was 'wait for the games'.
Then 'wait for the tools'.
Now 'wait for the STOCK'
bxrz
Member
So you wouldn't say the PS5 is in limited supply? Considering nobody can get it and scalpers have the resold price at 1k?Are you telling me that Xbox is the only console with limited supply? Funny
That is literally the definition of limited supply...
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yes, that's how the system worked in the past. Now the paradigm is slowly shifting.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Has nothing to do with that.
You can't buy a next gen XBox because of supply issues. Microsoft simply didn't produce enough units.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Mat Picarella is Cenk Uygar from TYT.
Interfectum
Member
It's not... MS needs Xbox console sales for Game Pass to survive. If anyone tells you otherwise they are lying.
Rolla
Banned
Series S/X debuted lower than XB1
Series X|S supply is really really bad.
Xbox One sold ~900k in 9 days
Series X|S sold less than that in 19 days
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Some were calling this a while ago. I expected them to release with better numbers but there were so many missed opportunities. Basic and inexcuseable missed opportunities like a showcase of actual SX gameplay etc
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Eh, we'll see. MS is playing the long game. Their vision is to be able to play literally everywhere.
Self High Five
Member
That will literally be impossible based on the pre order allocation stock
What does $299 mean to casual players when the PS4/Xbox One has been this price since 2016, plays almost all the same games at the similar resolution?
There is a reason the stock allocation heavily favors Series X.
yurinka
Member
Nope, Souls never have been super seller games compared to the series of games like the ones released recently (CoD, AC, Watchdogs, Spider-Man, etc). In a crazy November month like these one, even considering two console launches and the pandemic, I think it's a great performance to be in the overall top 10 considering it's exclusive.
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The pandemic did no such thing. Sony been very upfront about that. Not to mention not all factories closed and those that did only did so for a couple of weeks. Shit, Apple publicly said they were restarting lines before the virus even took hold in Europe or the US all those months ago.
And even if we humoured you and said OK it was an issue - PS5 hit record numbers. So how can you use it as an excuse for MS going lower? They'd both be affected. I think it is you not using your brain.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
They absolutely still would prefer people buy an Xbox over their other channels.
Don't buy their PR that it doesn't matter to them, XBox division wants revenue.. people outside of the Xbox ecosystem are not going to provide them with the same amount of revenue, bottom line... if all you do is subscribe to Gamepass and never buy anything else? Sure... but that is also not MS's preferred customer.. their preferred customer is buying other things via their store they get at least a 30% cut on. Hardly anyone buys anything on Windows Store, and even if they do, MS's cut is MUUUUCH lower (they've had to lower it as low as 5% to try to get devs to use Windows Store, they've failed.)
In the end what the division needs is revenue and profit... they are only playing the "long game" because they have to, not because they want to.
Sony makes an enormous amount of money from 3rd party MTX; it's actually the largest portion of their revenue.. and it's like pure profit for them.
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PunishedPrince
Neo Member
Says it's not available for me
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I mean yeah, they still make the most money if they can sell you a console. But their long term thinking is "why peak at maybe ~100m customers if all stars align correctly when we can target ~1b+ people with Gamepass and play anywhere?". Will it work out? Who knows. But if it does, Sony might be in trouble.
