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NPD Sales Results for May 2007
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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titiklabingapat said:
So if Third Parties can't sell thier games on the Wii..I ask again. What incentive is there to make third party titles for this system. If they can't sell to the already 7.5 millionj userbase? The hardware selling rate does not reflect the software selling rate on this console.
soundwave05
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sonycowboy said:
Yeah whoops, I meant 2001.
MrPing1000
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NPD time has become so great. I think my favourite part is ps3forums total denial of the ps3 bombing. I look forward to reading that tomorrow :lol
imastalker co.
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Revelations said:
let me translate this for people who don't have warped logic....
"3rd party developers always show off their entire upcoming line before E3. so there you have it, even though Wii is in the verge of catching up, and surpassing 360 sales, there's no reason why the line up of games should change in the near future. none what so ever."
Revelations said:
Stop being deliberately dumb, here are the facts:
1. Third parties didn't think Wii would sell, thus they had no major games ready for it at launch.
2. Ubisoft thought different so they put at least 2 major (although not necessarily that great) games on it at launch, including a bunch of crappy ports.
3. Ubisoft's 2 major titles sold great
4. There have been no MAJOR third party titles (original big budget titles/iteration in major franchise) since January.
5. Nintendo games have been picking up the slack.
6. EA quickly saw the situation and saw success with games like Tiger Woods.
7. Major third party titles WILL sell on Wii.
Revelations said:
Jesus..third parties can SELL- see Rayman, Red Steel, and to a lesser extent Tiger Woods (quick PS2 port outsold 360 and PS3 versions), but overall they won't outsell Nintendo. That doesn't mean they can't be successful.
Hollywood_mIRC
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Nintendominance will continue throughout the year. PS3 will get a little bit of a surge with GTA IV, and 360 with GTA IV and Halo. Nintendo counters with Mario, SSB, Metroid, no slowing down.
GitarooMan
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I know I'll get ripped for this and I don't think Wii is a fad "per se" but we are in sort of uncharted waters....I'm still not fully convinced Wii will be PS2-like in NA (i.e. sell great for 4-5 years), I still think 360 has a chance to outsell Wii in the US in the long run if it continues to get the great Western 3rd party support its getting *runs and hides*legend166 said:
PkunkFury
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Revelations said:
the incentive is that the Wii has a large and fast growing user base, which equals a large potential pool of customers for their product. What else do they need?
The also have the incentive that costs of Wii development are relatively cheap, and apparently Wii owners don't care if their games look sub last-gen (this is, of course, not a good thing)
Now, let me ask you this:
Whose fault is it that 3rd party games are not topping charts on Wii?
MiamiWesker
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schuelma said:
Thank you! And Zelda is up there too, hell yeah!
The Faceless Master
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oh, so no fabrications this time.imastalker co. said:
ok.
this time, things will be different.pilonv1 said:
it's common sense.
super funk
Member
Well this is a nice suprise, I didnt even know these were coming out today. Ridiculous numbers for Nintendo hardware and Pokemon. What is Pokemans total in the US?
Emerson said:
Nintendo fans are buying the Wii, and also all this Nintendo software. Same old same old, they've only sold 2.8 million Wii's in the USA, they aren't even anywhere close to meeting the original Gamecube numbers yet. No wait, all these Nintendo fans will tell you that Nintendo is attracting all these new gamers, but of course these new gamers are buying Mario and Zelda and obviously not 3rd party games. I'm still not sold on Nintendo is getting all these new casuals until they surpass the Gamecube numbers handily in the US and non Nintendo games actually start selling well.
I think these are the reasons why the 360 and PS3 aren't selling and I think the 360 has a lot more problems at the moment:
360:
1) Elite
2) 3 SKU strategy / Pricing for HDDs
3) High Price
2) Hardware Reliability Problems
PS3:
1) Price
2) Games
Can we start a price drop prediction thread and see who is closest?
Here's my guesses through the end of the year:
I don't think a price drop for the 360 that is coming will be more than $50 so Sony should really want to price the PS3 at $450. I think that will probably give them the most bang for the buck strategically and in the press. They should do it at E3 or early September. I think the 360 will wait until after Halo launches and do their price drop right before GTA4 in October or they might go earlier than that if they want to keep under the PS3. The Wii will probably stay the same price or maybe drop $25 just to be the lowest price console still.
If Sony does it before the 360, they become cheaper than the Elite, at least temporarily. If they wait to do it any later than mid September, they won't have another good reason to drop it until late October when GTA4 comes out or before Black Friday but by then, the 360 will have made even more headway. They could also use some momentum going into the holiday season and a 25% drop in September would do it.
360:
1) Elite
2) 3 SKU strategy / Pricing for HDDs
3) High Price
2) Hardware Reliability Problems
PS3:
1) Price
2) Games
Can we start a price drop prediction thread and see who is closest?
Here's my guesses through the end of the year:
I don't think a price drop for the 360 that is coming will be more than $50 so Sony should really want to price the PS3 at $450. I think that will probably give them the most bang for the buck strategically and in the press. They should do it at E3 or early September. I think the 360 will wait until after Halo launches and do their price drop right before GTA4 in October or they might go earlier than that if they want to keep under the PS3. The Wii will probably stay the same price or maybe drop $25 just to be the lowest price console still.
If Sony does it before the 360, they become cheaper than the Elite, at least temporarily. If they wait to do it any later than mid September, they won't have another good reason to drop it until late October when GTA4 comes out or before Black Friday but by then, the 360 will have made even more headway. They could also use some momentum going into the holiday season and a 25% drop in September would do it.
titiklabingapat
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Revelations said:
They have to make more compelling games in the first place.
Also, my point was that third parties will be directly competing with Nintendo even if they make games for other platforms and not the Wii. Even more so now that Nintendo's console looks to be the hottest thing since the PS2.
soundwave05
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GitarooMan said:
No reason to run, that's a possible scenario, reasonably thought out, and not a troll.
It could happen. That said, I think Nintendo will be quite happy if the Wii sells N64 or better levels in North America, but dominates Japan and makes big gains in Europe.
ShockingAlberto
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I love NPD day.
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NewLib said:
The bulk of thier sales came from the consumers who ate the intial sales pitch up. Beyond selling more than that leaves much to be desired. Look at the rate of which the wii is still selling. And look at it's software TP selling rates. If what Ubi says is true. Rayman. Red Steel should still be selling in droves, aye? It's not. In fact the titles are dormant.
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fresquito said:
False Statement.
It does not apply to the 360. As software rates continue to soar.
Ganondorf>Link
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So SPM should be over 450k now, and will likely break 500k next month. Nice to see Zelda continue to sell well, last month I remember it being around the same place as far as console game sales go. It looks like it's selling around 80kish per month since March or so, which means it should be close to or already has sold 1.5 million, giving it still quite a high attach ratio, over 50%. Go Zelda.schuelma said:
Jive Turkey
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:lol Oh man...This thread is already shaping up nicely.scola said:
krypt0nian
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All that matters are the Etrian Odyssey numbers.
PkunkFury
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Revelations said:The bulk of thier sales came from the consumers who ate the intial sales pitch up. Beyond selling more than that leaves much to be desired. Look at the rate of which the wii is still selling. And look at it's software TP selling rates. If what Ubi says is true. Rayman. Red Steel should still be selling in droves, aye? It's not. In fact the titles are dormant.
yeah, I was buying copies of Red Steel all through December, but then I realised it wasn't made by Nintendo, so I've since switched to Wii Play
Hollywood_mIRC
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Good spin to the guy who said Wii was only bought by Nintendo fans. A less educated person might think its a good argument, except the facts don't back it up.
Revelations said:
WTF are you talking about. Let me ask you this, if you were a Wii owner, which third party games would you get? Probably none besides maybe RedSteel or Rayman which were pretty cool and mass market. Third party games dont sell on Wii because there are no third party games yet.
super funk
Member
AniHawk said:
Day-um. I was thinking it was something like 1.6 mil. DP will easily outsell RS worldwide and probably come close to GS numbers.
titiklabingapat
Member
Rayman and Red Steel are still consistently in the top 5 of the Wii charts all over the world 7 months in.Revelations said:The bulk of thier sales came from the consumers who ate the intial sales pitch up. Beyond selling more than that leaves much to be desired. Look at the rate of which the wii is still selling. And look at it's software TP selling rates. If what Ubi says is true. Rayman. Red Steel should still be selling in droves, aye? It's not. In fact the titles are dormant.
soundwave05
Member
Revelations ... why don't answer these questions, so we can all bookmark your quote and have some fun in future NPD/E3/etc. threads:
Yes or no (according to your crystal ball)
1.) Wii will not get any good third party exclusives from here on out because of these "terrible" sales.
2.) Red Steel and Rayman will be the final big Wii exclusives from Ubi Soft. After all, why not make them for the 360, right?
C'mon, lets see you put your rep where your mouth is. Remember don't think too hard about it.
Yes or no (according to your crystal ball)
1.) Wii will not get any good third party exclusives from here on out because of these "terrible" sales.
2.) Red Steel and Rayman will be the final big Wii exclusives from Ubi Soft. After all, why not make them for the 360, right?
C'mon, lets see you put your rep where your mouth is. Remember don't think too hard about it.
I guess you're on the search of a TAG or a ban.Revelations said:The bulk of thier sales came from the consumers who ate the intial sales pitch up. Beyond selling more than that leaves much to be desired. Look at the rate of which the wii is still selling. And look at it's software TP selling rates. If what Ubi says is true. Rayman. Red Steel should still be selling in droves, aye? It's not. In fact the titles are dormant.
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titiklabingapat said:
More compelling third party software will sell on this system? But I thought there already was compelling software on this system? Shouldn't Rayman Raging Rabbids. And Red Steel have sold more than they did? For a console that NEEDS more compelling games shouldn't these titles be in the multi million selling range by now? Right up there with Nintendo's software? I mean as you say there isn't much to pick from aside from Nintendo's offerings yes?
MiamiWesker
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Ganondorf>Link said:So SPM should be over 450k now, and will likely break 500k next month. Nice to see Zelda continue to sell well, last month I remember it being around the same place as far as console game sales go. It looks like it's selling around 80kish per month since March or so, which means it should be close to or already has sold 1.5 million, giving it still quite a high attach ratio, over 50%. Go Zelda.
How much of a drop do you think there is from 8th place to 10th, GH2 was at 130k, I think Zelda was over 100k this month, or close to it. Its nice to see it continue to do well. It will hang around for years as the big Nintendo titles do, especially when they hit the price drop.