SneakyStephan
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Must be that hidden dGPU inside the gsync module.
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Nvidia Gsync is amazing!
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daninthemix
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Yep, I'm definitely going g-sync when these stars align:
- single-card 4k performance becomes feasible (i.e. 60ish fps @ high settings @ 4k on modern titles on a single card)
- a 4k g-sync monitor becomes available that is high quality (i.e. 8-bit panel, not TN) and doesn't cost the earth.
- single-card 4k performance becomes feasible (i.e. 60ish fps @ high settings @ 4k on modern titles on a single card)
- a 4k g-sync monitor becomes available that is high quality (i.e. 8-bit panel, not TN) and doesn't cost the earth.
JustinSane
Neo Member
So they don't build it into the cards, have a separate device and special monitors with support for it?
Some PC gamers really are played as fools eh?
Some PC gamers really are played as fools eh?
Oh, my god! Going to sell my car to buy this.
If you're completely ignorant of the technology and what's being achieved, it could seem that way I suppose.
Dreathlock
Member
It´s only 75Hz.
I can live with that. It's still an improvement over 60hz and 75 fps looks better to me than 60 fps on my current 144hz monitor. I'm assuming 75 fps on a 144hz monitor looks the same as 75fps on a 75hz.
Dreathlock
Member
Is this true? So when i am only gaming in the 50-90 range i wont have full benefit of a 144hz monitor?
MrNmedia, is that you?
Most of the games he mentioned perform poorly with vsync on. Unity and batman dx11 specially knock off a lot of fps when vsync is enabled. Vsync is not free in terms of performance.
With gsync vsync in game is disabled And he would see higher frame rates from that. Probably not double the frame rate (except in the case of arkham city which implements double buffered vsync yuck). Plus the smooth fact9r of gsync woild certainly make the game feel more reaponsive.
With gsync vsync in game is disabled And he would see higher frame rates from that. Probably not double the frame rate (except in the case of arkham city which implements double buffered vsync yuck). Plus the smooth fact9r of gsync woild certainly make the game feel more reaponsive.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Query: I've been told that g-sync monitors are really only worth it if you're floating somewhere about 50fps with frequent fluctuations, hence 144hz monitors, as the dynamic refresh rate goes well with stabilising each frame at those framerates. And that despite this, they're actually kinda shitty if you're hovering between 30 - 60fps (so lets say averaging 45fps), even though I would have though they'd be just as advantageous, if not moreso for stabilising frame rendering at sub-60fps.
True/false/butts?
True/false/butts?
JustinSane
Neo Member
I guess not everyone is aware of the big money making machine.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
If you're seeing "barely any difference" between a TN panel and an IPS panel then either your IPS panel is broken / very poor or you need new glasses. The difference in IQ is huge between the two IMO.
I also have both monitors and there are noticeable differences, but high quality TN panels these days are good enough that I can put the Dell away. For gaming, they are fine. If I need accurate colors for working, probably, not. TN panels are no where as bad as the earlier ones. Think, people that are still down on them probably had bad experiences with the earlier ones and/or still regurgitating old information.
daninthemix
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But for people spending tons of money on gaming rigs that enable them to max out visual fidelity, to then arrive at "fine" with the monitor itself seems like a terrific anticlimax.
I have two panels of the same size one is IPS and another TN. I can easily spot the difference between the two side by side. But on its own I have no real problems with the TN.
Until the recent gsync IPS, that's the choice to have to make if you want fast refresh rate + gsync. For gaming, that's a totally fine comprise.
So, you agree with me.
Nvidia is hiring 5 year olds to do tech reports now?
We know what Gsync does, but your rig must have been messed up pretty bad beforehand if Gsync is doing what you say it is doing. Congrats on fixing your issues along with adding Gsync.
I didn't change a thing on my rig at all. Just adding the monitor, setting it to 144Hz, and turning gsync on have me the performance increase I described in the OP.
I'm pointing out that the difference is significant, but not enough to make using a TN panel terrible.
I'd really like to spring for Gsync, but I don't want to pay such a premium only to be locked in to Nvidia GPUs for the monitor's lifespan (I know; practically, not literally). I mostly stick to Nvidia anyway, but the concept just creates a mental barrier I find unpleasant to cross.
That XB270HU looks amazing.
Edit: The FPS improving thing though is... unlikely.
That XB270HU looks amazing.
Edit: The FPS improving thing though is... unlikely.
Doesn't make sense unless you are running at 720p or something. It does not increase frame rate.
Especially from 40 fps to 60 fps?
Resolution hasn't changed. 1080p before 1080p now. I tried it again with my old monitor, turning vsync back on and saw the exact same performance decreases I described in the op. I didn't change anything else.
It does, if he's playign games that utilized double buffered Vsync, and have poor vscyn implementation.
Double buffered Vsync means anytime he dipped below 60 FPS he would go down to 30. Batman Arkham City in DX11, for example. I had to turn on Adaptive Vsync for that game. With Gsync , suddenly frame rate drops below 60 aren't an issue.
Other games, like most Assasin Creed games have a high performance penalty with Vscyn on.
Try running the game with Vsync on, then turn Vscyn off. I guarantee you'll see not only smoother frame times, but a higher frame rate (not a lot higher though). Of course you'll also get frame tearing up the ass, depending on your panel and frame rate.
Yeah, from my experience the full benefit of 120/144hz is only realized with fps equivalent or close to the refresh rate, try it out in an easy to run game.
Butts. G-sync is advantageous at all framerates, and something like 45 FPS average is actually one of the cases where the difference compared to fixed refresh is most pronounced.
While you, of course, are aware of the secret techniques necessary to introduce a new way to drive monitors by only changing the GPU side of the communication.
grandwizard
Member
G-Sync is indeed amazing. It doesn't actually improve performance but with the way everything feels and looks smoother at lower and more variable framerates it might make you think it is.
Impossible results are impossible.
Have you tested Gsync vs Vsync disabled ?
I'm waiting for the next-gen AMD cards, which are going to be the first big jump in performance in YEARS. So I'm stuck with freesync, which depends more on the monitor manufacturers than Gsync, since nVidia supplies the hardware specs for the Gsync module.
ps: when I say "big jump", I mean 2x performance or above. the 390X will apparently have triple the memory bandwidth of GDDR5.
Have you tested Gsync vs Vsync disabled ?
I'm waiting for the next-gen AMD cards, which are going to be the first big jump in performance in YEARS. So I'm stuck with freesync, which depends more on the monitor manufacturers than Gsync, since nVidia supplies the hardware specs for the Gsync module.
ps: when I say "big jump", I mean 2x performance or above. the 390X will apparently have triple the memory bandwidth of GDDR5.
curiouscharles
Member
100% with you on this.
i would have gone g-sync on my current 1440p set-up if there was an IPS variant that could be used reliably for photography work as well as gaming [like my current Dell model], but that's still asking too much.
soon my friends, soon.
I guess you bought before this was available?
If I remember correctly, when you are below 60 FPS, the module inserts frames to compensate.
I would imagine being above 60 is the best value for the monitor as you get all the advantages along with no vsync. Gsync creates a situation where dipping below 60 is acceptable.
Nope. This happens when it's below 30 with G-Sync. I believe Freesync is 40 FPS or so.
Edit: That is if I undstood what you said. Are you talking about, for instance, setting the monitor at 80Hz when running in 40 FPS? That's what I meant to say that happens when it's below 30 FPS.
No. If it goes below 30 the screen will refresh at 30 hz, just like a normal 30hz monitor would do (IIRC). Anything 30 and above will refresh as soon as the frame is dished up.
When you are below 30 the monitor interpolates frames, and when you are greater than 30 it just adjusts the refresh rate?
Having vsync off, using triple-buffered vsync, and using gsync all let the GPU spit out frames as fast as possible, and there shouldn't be a framerate difference between them (with the exception of oddities like tearing framerates going above the refresh rate, or weird behaviors with adaptive refresh at ultra-low framerates).
Gsync should offer better framerates than double-buffered vsync, though. (That's basically the advantage that it has over double-buffered; a rock-solid double-buffered vsync should feel basically the same as gsync at the same framerate, but gsync allows for intermediate framerates.)
Gsync should offer better framerates than double-buffered vsync, though. (That's basically the advantage that it has over double-buffered; a rock-solid double-buffered vsync should feel basically the same as gsync at the same framerate, but gsync allows for intermediate framerates.)
Above 30, yes. That's what happens. Below 30 I don't know for sure. It might be what Kinthalis said.
Yes, or more precisely, it only refreshes the display when the GPU tells it it's got a new frame ready.
That's the whole point of Gsync. Normally the display refreshes at 60 times per second at all times, period. With Gsync, the panel does the logical, common sense thing god intended. It WAITS for the GPu to give it a new frame, and THEN refreshes. The GPU drives the monitor, rather than the GPU having to try and sync with the monitor.
That's how I thought it worked too, but recently it was shown that below 30 it actually multiplies the current framerate to get a >30 refresh. Eg. if you are at 28 FPS it will refresh at 56 Hz. (this is superior behavior)
Cool... would this introduce latency though? Though at 28 FPS maybe you wouldn't notice...
curiouscharles
Member
yeah, bought March of 2014.
this monitor looks great though! this gives me much hope for my next purchase!
edit: okay wow i'm reading through this review and this thing sounds amazing - i might have to buy it sooner, rather than later!
edit 2: thanks Durante!
Now that you said that, I think they introduced this behavior with a driver update.
Probably less latency than when the refresh rate was fixed at 30Hz while running at 28 FPS.
Uhhh, you really, really should research how the technology works before you say anything else.
I don't see why it would. It's similar to running half-refresh Vsync (60Hz) on a 120Hz display, but minus the input latency associated with Vsync. If anything it might be less.
ScepticMatt
Member
Very low fps still feels bad with variable refresh, but now 50 fps doesn't fell much different from 60.
The higher the frame rate, the less visible are tearing artifacts, so the benefits of VRR diminish with increasing frame rate.
But VRR still helps to retain smoothness during random frame rate drops like in CPU limited situations or driver lags (i.e. shader recompilation)
But take that with a grain of salt, because while I'm familiar with a ROG swift, I don't own a VRR monitor myself.
FreeSync does this too. PcPer is wrong.
The difference between FreeSync and Gsysnc is what Gsync can do to prevent the display refresh colliding with GPU frame completion.
More info: https://techreport.com/review/28073/benq-xl2730z-freesync-monitor-reviewed/3
ScepticMatt
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