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hahaha shit. well, at least i can say i know some Era posters were right about this place being a bit of a cesspool.

"safe spaces are for wimps" - says the guy too afraid to post at Era because his views would be torn to shreds. LOL
Then what the heck are you even doing here? Honest question.
 
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Do you not see a distinction between offensive words said by a crazy person to no one in particular and offensive words targeted directly at an individual in a sustained bout of harassment?

Clearly you don't.
I have pointed this in my post, people can't tell who's mentally ill online and this is a bigger debate that social media must try and solve. His insults were posted on a social media where a group of people will certainly response to those words. You are acting like most people knew he was on the edge and they wanted him dead for his words.
 

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I have pointed this in my post, people can't tell who's mentally ill online and this is a bigger debate that social media must try and solve. His insults were posted on a social media where a group of people will certainly response to those words. You are acting like most people knew he was on the edge and they wanted him dead for his words.
Instead of solving a problem that doesn't need to exist, let's just stop making a problem altogether. If someone says stupid shit online, either ignore it or respond like a rational and functional member of society. Maybe say something back, but leave it at that. No need to carry on like the world is about to end if they aren't severely punished for their wrong think.
 
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My take is that people that spout off shitty things should expect blowback.
No. Context matters.

Mentally ill or not, people that use slurs or what not are going to get blowback from from people who get upset by such things. Mentally ill or not, some feminist or "SJW" type rants off some shit that upsets people on the other side, they're going to get dog piled on other sites that lean the other direction. That's just the nature of the beast when sharing extreme views or things that some find offensive in public spaces. Not everyone is going to give people a pass because they have mental illness, and most probably just see whatever content generated the uproar and aren't aware of a person's issues that may be related to their behavior. People should be careful in what they share and not dropping lame ass hot takes left and right for likes/upvotes/donations. Forums are just exhausting as hell anymore with so many people seeming to have a need to have ridiculously strong opinions on fucking everything and share them as brashly as possible so they get attention. But I digress...
Growing up, I remember how certain bullies would goad the special-ed kids into saying and doing things they didn't understand. These specia-ed kids weren't saints, either, often misbehaving and throwing things and screaming to the annoyance of everyone else. That is why the bullies did it, and I know this because that is the excuse they gave when called out on it. They weren't being bullies. They were trying to get them to shut up, or to get them to stop bothering [some girl the bully liked], or whatever.

No one thought the special ed kids "should have known better", and no one thought the bullies were in the right.

Where this got way out of hand on ERA to me was not the backlash from the shitty things he said, it was all the lack of empathy and belief toward his suicidal posts, dismissing it as a stunt from a bigot (in their views) with many people probably hoping he went through with it just to have one less bigot out there. That's just disgusting behavior, and very hypocritical for a site who claims to be a welcoming safe space and has an active mental health community thread and so on to have allowed that thread to exist and for a mod to have been posting that kind of garbage in it. One can think someone is a shitty person with shitty views and still wish for them to get the help they need for any mental or physical issues they have.

I hate the word toxic, but there's a ton of assholes in the gaming community and online communities in general and they're not exclusive to or even more prevalent on one side or the other IMO. Everything is just so goddamn tribal and us vs. them in more. Era is constant screeching about bigots and wrong think, sites like this have people constantly screeching about feminists and SJWs and so on. And I suppose it makes sense as gaming communities were always very tribal and hostile with all the fanboys fighting with fanboys of different platforms so as the political/social issue stuff got brought in that hostility just expanded to the various sides of those issues as well. Trolling and shit talking have always been super common in gaming and sports as well, so that's more gas on the fire as those types take advantage of the current hostility by saying and doing things just to get a rise out of people on the other side. It's exhausting, but thankfully has led me to cutting back my online presence and participation dramatically this year (recent uptick while recovering from surgery aside).
Things will always be tribal. The way we act out those instincts (or resist them) is called 'morality'. We can't use tribalism as an excuse for our own shitty behavior.

I have pointed this in my post, people can't tell who's mentally ill online and this is a bigger debate that social media must try and solve. His insults were posted on a social media where a group of people will certainly response to those words. You are acting like most people knew he was on the edge and they wanted him dead for his words.
I am not acting like people knew he was on the edge and wanted him dead, though some certainly expressed that sentiment.

There's a mentally-ill suicide and there's a mob that participated in dogpiling him. Etika already paid for his "sins", so it seems crass to turn around and defend those who contributed to it, intentional or not.

Or are we throwing out the past 10 years of platitudes: "words matter", and "words are violence", and so forth? How cowardly and unprincipled can a mob get. Oh. It's a mob. I guess I answered my own question.
 
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I have pointed this in my post, people can't tell who's mentally ill online and this is a bigger debate that social media must try and solve. His insults were posted on a social media where a group of people will certainly response to those words. You are acting like most people knew he was on the edge and they wanted him dead for his words.
Yep. If you say something brash that a large segment of people are going to find offensive, you are going to get blow back and there's nothing wrong with that. Hindsight is 20/20 though, and people on a site that's supposed to be so supportive of people with mental health issues should have believed his claims of mental illness and suicidal thoughts and not bashed him as a bigot just trying to justify saying fucked up things. The hypocrisy there AFTER his mental health problems were common knowledge on ERA (that thread was about his suicidal note/video) is the issue to me, not the initial backlash. He deserved blow back over what he said, just like people on the SJW/Feminist side deserve blow back for saying things like "men are trash." If you say fucked up, extreme things, you're going to get blow back. But such people also deserve empathy when it's later clear that they have severe mental health problems like Etika, and not just bashed and disbelieved and called an attention whore etc.--much less from people (including a mod) on a site that's supposed to be all about believing victims and empathy for mental health issues.

Oh I agree. Like I said, there was no excuse for the continued backlash and disbelief of his suicide threats and so on. But slurs should never be used and you're going to get backlash when you use them, same with the "men are trash" and white haters on the other side and the equally shitty things they say. But context does matter in terms of how much backlash they should get and whether they are worth forgiving. It's a lot easier to forgive someone who said fucked up shit when they were clearly dealing with severe mental illness and not in their right mind once you find out that was the case. Vs. say someone that gives a half-assed at best apology after it's clear whatever they did was hurting their income etc.

I'm just saying initial backlash is inevitable when you say/do something extreme. However, one should expect more empathy when it later comes out that mental illness, bullying (from your example I didn't quote) etc. at least partly contributed to their behavior for sure.

Things will always be tribal. The way we act out those instincts (or resist them) is called 'morality'. We can't use tribalism as an excuse for our own shitty behavior.
Agreed. Tribalism is a cause of shitty behavior when it's worst instincts are unchecked, but in no way justifies or excuses it. Morality is lacking these days as people are very unchecked online as most communities are either un/under moderated places where there are no consequences for words or actions or echo chamber type places that just re-enforce tribalism and hatred and devaluing of people on the other side and lead to increasingly extremist behavior due to mob mentality.

I don't see a fix for it unfortunately. The internet and anonymous forms of communication were always going to both bring out the worst in people and give social reject losers a platform they'd never get in the real world as outcasts. Whereas they'd get shunned, shamed, rejected, fired etc. for saying/doing fucked up shit in the real world around normal, healthy people they can find online communities full of people who cheer on their bad behavior and develop even more warped worldviews from being social isolated in an echo chamber with other (often mentally ill) extremists.
 
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Instead of solving a problem that doesn't need to exist, let's just stop making a problem altogether. If someone says stupid shit online, either ignore it or respond like a rational and functional member of society. Maybe say something back, but leave it at that. No need to carry on like the world is about to end if they aren't severely punished for their wrong think.

I am not acting like people knew he was on the edge and wanted him dead, though some certainly expressed that sentiment.

There's a mentally-ill suicide and there's a mob that participated in dogpiling him. Etika already paid for his "sins", so it seems crass to turn around and defend those who contributed to it, intentional or not.

Or are we throwing out the past 10 years of platitudes: "words matter", and "words are violence", and so forth? How cowardly and unprincipled can a mob get. Oh. It's a mob. I guess I answered my own question.
I agree with both you here, I'm defending the people that said something back and are now considered an evil entity that wanted him gone. I'm not defending the people that continued to shit on him and acted like he just committed a crime.
 

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What did I miss guys?
I missed the drama too. I just came back to my computer and was notified of this.

probably because being against unlimited immigration is just code for "put them in concentration camps and treat them worse than the Taliban treated many captured journalists"
Before they use to call us nazis. Now they're calling people against unlimited immigration, terrorists.
Keep it up you Reset bastards. No matter how much you want to smear us or kill us, you're still going to have Trump as President for 8 years.

 

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I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so I'm sure it's already been posted, but this:


Actively makes me FURIOUS. I've been dealing with suicidal thoughts and depression my entire life alongside borderline personality disorder. Those who actually have experience dealing with people like that know that yeah, there's going to be times where you're a MASSIVE asshole. And yeah, that includes bigotry and other shit that you might not actually believe in an attempt to push people away or get attention or whatever.

These people will spout off about empathy and understanding and all that other bullshit, but the second they actually have to do the most minuscule amount of work that is interacting with a truly mentally disturbed person, they turn tail and try to fucking "cancel" them. Then once it's too late, they talk all these platitudes and hollow promises to do better when THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THAT CULTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Looking in on Era as an outsider, I saw them as aggressive but ultimately well-meaning. I've gotten frustrated with their methods, but I was never once angry at them. That has changed. This selective empathy is far more rage-inducing than the jokers on twitter and hate sites shitting on everyone. At least I know where they stand and have already acknowledged that they're awful people, something they probably will tell you themselves. But I expect this supposed "progressive" space to be so much better, not just the opposite extreme.

You fuckers over at Era need a trigger warning for your entire goddamn forum. Not for your shitty "Oh, I'm super privileged but got slightly offended at someone being ignorant over modern terminology" posters, but the people with ACTUAL mental illness visiting the place.

And the people that are supposedly "regretting" their past words. Let me ask you this. Would you extend the same support you're now retroactively extending to Etika for a Trump voter? What about a clearly mentally ill famous person like Kanye? Because I've seen enough of you wishing death on people like that that I can't see it. I remember that thread about the GOP lawmaker that killed himself and people were fucking CELEBRATING.

If you're an Era user and everything I said above doesn't apply to you, I really recommend you stop posting there. It is contributing to a culture where tragedies like this WILL happen again. To use some of their own terminology, you're not gonna be on "the right side of history" if you remain there.
 

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The reee defence force seems to be out in force

I thought that npc was actually silly meme but these people actually have no clue and cant process actual factual information put in front of them

The future looks like a weird cross between that mike judge movie idiocracy and demolition man

 
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What was the course of action required for his tweets? He talked shit, people replied with shit. I'm not defending the assholes that replied to him to kill himself, my whole point is that what he said was not ok and people calling him out on it are not a mob that pushed him over the edge.
Ignore them. Block him. Call him an idiot and block him. People got into a battle of letters with a mentally ill kid. It did not even have the excuse of being verbal where people could say they felt threatened. It was fucking letter on a screen. All that people did was give the words more attention and by proxy this YouTube person who thrives on attention and got all outraged for NOTHING. FUCKING WORDS. Why do people in this God forsaken day and age feel that they HAVE to respond.
Everyone who knows this kid will tell you that he held no hate toward any denomination of people. People choose not to ignore words . People give words power. And it will backfire. It already is starting to backfire. Even some of the most liberal and conservative believers in equality and progress are getting fucking sick of the farce that has risen up and are themselves tired of the outrage culture that has taken root. Places like ree hate that term but it is very real.
 

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No one knows anybody on the internet or their background, what most people saw is an internet celebrity having a meltdown and insulting everyone, so they insulted him back.

His death brings a new debate about social media, should everyone be free to insult anyone without receiving a response for the insult they hurl? How can we tell if the person throwing the insults is on the edge and needs to stay away from social media?



I don't and neither do you, and for that matter almost everyone who replied to his insults. Some are suggesting we just ignore the insults because they are words, but you are also arguing that words are the reason he killed himself, so are words just words?
Now you are deliberately being insincere. People in that very same thread mentioned his mental issues. His issues were in fact well known. So either you experienced these terrible words or his because you knew who he was and this would know that he is unstable or you did not know who he was and in fact did not see or hear the words directly and instead were part of a good old internet lynch mob because some felt the need to make an example and post his words to inflame people.
 
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people can't tell who's mentally ill online and this is a bigger debate that social media must try and solve.
nah, i don't think it should be social media's place to diagnose people with mental health issues. already we had people saying "No this guy is a faker, i know because i watch a tv show about a talking horse that goes to therapy". no. or "This guy is a faker because i'm bipolar and are the expert on all mental health." no. everyone is an expert on the internet, and everyone is an armchair psychologist already. more of that is not going to help.

maybe you DON'T know what it's like. what about that for a change? try subduing your ego long enough to admit that. maybe then you can approach strangers with respect. open hearts and open minds.
 
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Off to buy some hormones to take care of my masculinity.

That Spinluck asshole should tell that to Etika's mom. I'm sure things would end well to him /s
 
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That Spinluck asshole should tell that to Etika's mom. I'm sure things would end well to him /s
yeah wow this sanctimonuous bullshit

Lots of men die never really showing their true selves, think about that.

They die wearing a mask. A mask of masculinity.

It's the biggest plight guys face today and unironically only guys can really fix it.
this man wasn't hiding his true self he was broadcasting loud and clear that he was in a toubled place and you just ignored him. you are indulging in some meaningless nonsense about "true selves" when a man has actually literally died. talk about living in a virtual reality. you are erasing the real reality of this real person and pretending this is about "masks of masculinity" or some bullshit you are into. get your head out of your ass.
 
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In hindsight, him punching the cop was obviously him trying to commit suicide. He denied it afterwards, but it was pretty clear what he was going for. I wish the system would've done something about it. He needed help badly. I have no idea how he got off the hook for that.
yes if only this mentally ill black man who punched a cop got "what he was going for". if only "the system would've done something about it" this poster has no idea "how he got off the hook for that"

so yeah, we have mindreading & armchair diagnosis, plus openly wishing the cops responded correctly to this violent black man. and this person thinks they are trying to help! lol
 

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The ban reasons are great. I actually look forward to these weak Era stooges getting banned just so I can chuckle at the newest one.
 
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yeah wow this sanctimonuous bullshit



this man wasn't hiding his true self he was broadcasting loud and clear that he was in a toubled place and you just ignored him. you are indulging in some meaningless nonsense about "true selves" when a man has actually literally died. talk about living in a virtual reality. you are erasing the real reality of this real person and pretending this is about "masks of masculinity" or some bullshit you are into. get your head out of your ass.
yes if only this mentally ill black man who punched a cop got "what he was going for". if only "the system would've done something about it" this poster has no idea "how he got off the hook for that"

so yeah, we have mindreading & armchair diagnosis, plus openly wishing the cops responded correctly to this violent black man. and this person thinks they are trying to help! lol
*shrugs* I don't see an issue with either of these posts you took exception to. He was mentally ill and clearly demonstrated that, but it's still more of a taboo for men to talk about their feelings, go see a therapist and so on. Especially among more masculine types. That someone with severe mental illness couldn't hide it on live streams doesn't mean that he could still have still felt uncomfortable seeking help, thought that he was strong enough to get through on his how etc. We'll never know why he didn't seek help of course in this specific case. But I definitely know a lot of dudes that need help and are too ashamed to go see a therapist, or even talk openly with friends and family about their problems etc. They end up self medicated with booze and/or drugs and just getting worse. Hell, I'm kind of bad about that myself and have worked to get better at opening up with people, seeing a therapist when things get bad etc. Women do the same thing of course, but I know a lot more chicks in therapy and on meds and what not and form talking with friends who work as therapists they have a lot harder time getting the dudes who do come in to open up than most of the women. And my social circle is people with good jobs, good incomes, insurance etc. who all have the means to get the help they need.

For the second, that to me reads that they are arguing that we need more integration of law enforcement and mental health. Attempts at suicide by cop are a real problem and we need more training and resources for cops to deescalate these situations (like they did with him) and get them to mandatory mental health. My city/state has that and a agreement with a local hospital where they can drop off mentally ill people who didn't commit a serious crime and have them held overnight and evaluated and hopefully some will get the help they need. It's not doing the person any good if they just get a misdemeanor arrest and never get the help they need.

It's just a huge problem in general. Forced confinement for mental illness is a tough sell after all the abusive asylums in the first half of the 20th century, but some people need forced to get help or they'll never seek it on their own. Saying "you can't help someone that won't help themselves" is misguided as people with severe mental illness aren't in their right mind, all the stigma around therapy etc. being for weak people etc. keeps people from getting help they need to not kill themselves. Be it deliberate suicide like Etika or a slow, early death through substance abuse from self medicating.
 
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I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so I'm sure it's already been posted, but this:


Actively makes me FURIOUS. I've been dealing with suicidal thoughts and depression my entire life alongside borderline personality disorder. Those who actually have experience dealing with people like that know that yeah, there's going to be times where you're a MASSIVE asshole. And yeah, that includes bigotry and other shit that you might not actually believe in an attempt to push people away or get attention or whatever.

These people will spout off about empathy and understanding and all that other bullshit, but the second they actually have to do the most minuscule amount of work that is interacting with a truly mentally disturbed person, they turn tail and try to fucking "cancel" them. Then once it's too late, they talk all these platitudes and hollow promises to do better when THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THAT CULTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Looking in on Era as an outsider, I saw them as aggressive but ultimately well-meaning. I've gotten frustrated with their methods, but I was never once angry at them. That has changed. This selective empathy is far more rage-inducing than the jokers on twitter and hate sites shitting on everyone. At least I know where they stand and have already acknowledged that they're awful people, something they probably will tell you themselves. But I expect this supposed "progressive" space to be so much better, not just the opposite extreme.

You fuckers over at Era need a trigger warning for your entire goddamn forum. Not for your shitty "Oh, I'm super privileged but got slightly offended at someone being ignorant over modern terminology" posters, but the people with ACTUAL mental illness visiting the place.

And the people that are supposedly "regretting" their past words. Let me ask you this. Would you extend the same support you're now retroactively extending to Etika for a Trump voter? What about a clearly mentally ill famous person like Kanye? Because I've seen enough of you wishing death on people like that that I can't see it. I remember that thread about the GOP lawmaker that killed himself and people were fucking CELEBRATING.

If you're an Era user and everything I said above doesn't apply to you, I really recommend you stop posting there. It is contributing to a culture where tragedies like this WILL happen again. To use some of their own terminology, you're not gonna be on "the right side of history" if you remain there.

Also, the fact Noname isn't banned for shit like this:

Is ABSOLUTELY disgusting, especially after context has been given time and time again why he didn't mean any of that shit.

I'm Jewish, you think I'm not privy to genuine hateful language against me?

The fact people are legitimately going "but he said some bad words" in that thread as a way to deflect from the issues of both moderation and personal responsibility is beyond reprehensible. And I'm sure I'll get much angrier as I continue to read the thread.

Era moderation that's reading this thread, if you learn anything from this at all, you will start banning some of the people in that thread this very instant, and not for shitting on your terrible moderation up to this point.
 
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Don't worry I didn't screenshot anything, that would be too much time wasted on the asylum. I got them off that twitter somebody posted above.
Shit. That tweet just got updated.

I'm out. Too much to save and host for now. That "1%" keeps increasing.

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Kinsei is back. I though he/she was done with Era.
 
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Shit. That tweet just got updated.

I'm out. Too much to save and host for now. That "1%" keeps increasing.

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Kinsei is back. I though he/she was done with Era.
I didn't save and host, you can extract the actual image url from the twitter page
 

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Those fucking before/after pictures from REE posters are wild. These are the same people you share a planet with. They genuinely posted those things weeks apart and hoped nobody would notice when they did a complete 180.

Can you imagine seeing all the paedo shit, seeing all this, and still wanting to have anything to do with that site?

I can't, I gotta go to bed. I just can't. It's staggering.
 

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I've extracted the image url, saved that and hosted after. Who knows we can't see those images the next day.
Oh, then you're way more devoted than I could ever hope to be. Would twimg take down the pics if asked by the asylum?
 

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Those fucking before/after pictures from REE posters are wild. These are the same people you share a planet with. They genuinely posted those things weeks apart and hoped nobody would notice when they did a complete 180.

Can you imagine seeing all the paedo shit, seeing all this, and still wanting to have anything to do with that site?

I can't, I gotta go to bed. I just can't. It's staggering.
@AV just saw some takes so bad he was forced to immediately go to bed
 

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Those fucking before/after pictures from REE posters are wild. These are the same people you share a planet with. They genuinely posted those things weeks apart and hoped nobody would notice when they did a complete 180.

Can you imagine seeing all the paedo shit, seeing all this, and still wanting to have anything to do with that site?

I can't, I gotta go to bed. I just can't. It's staggering.
Sadly, some folks will still jump through the necessary mental gymnastics to justify the behavior.
 
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Those fucking before/after pictures from REE posters are wild. These are the same people you share a planet with. They genuinely posted those things weeks apart and hoped nobody would notice when they did a complete 180.
They realized the hivemind changed it's take on it (staff even posted they were revisting the old thread and reassessing the need for bans) so of course they "flipped."

I only briefly skimmed the current thread out of morbid curiosity, because fuck that place, but it's pretty pathetic at all the flipping. I can respect the few that owned up to being wrong about him and thinking the suicide talk was just attention seeking etc. I admittedly didn't take it that seriously when I first heard about it anyway as he'd always been so damn obnoxious and flamboyant to me in his hype videos that I definitely thought he was an attention seeker.

No excuses for the ones that went from trashing him as a piece of shit to posting RIP posts now that the community "stance" flipped. Just a bunch of mentally ill, weak people with no real stances of their who just parrot the stance of the "community" to which they "belong." They're just as sick and useless as the incels, alt-right extremists etc. they rail against. They just latched on to a mentally ill hive mind echo chamber on the opposite side of the spectrum. None of these groups are full of people capable of independent thought.
 

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It's a very sad occasion but this thread has been super interesting the past few pages. There's been some excellent debate with a very valuable message being not to jump to conclusions about people online. I'm in total agreement with a poster (I forgot who) who pointed out that common decency is far too often missing from internet communication.
 
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Its just impression or is the game section alot more gold than normal?
I noticed it as well. Someone must have went on a gifting spree along with a couple already gold threads getting bumped up with the new ones.