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Okamiden: Okami SEQUEL to the system that won the system war!
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Segata Sanshiro
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Have not-fun, person who thinks milk tastes better in a Sony cup.Thunderbear said:
edit: tho it might be the xbox straw
Personally, I think this is sort of dumb. The DS may suck at 3D, but there's still 2D games that look beautiful. If 3D is so ugly to a mass amount of people (maybe true or not,) perhaps developers would be better served playing to the system's strengths.linsivvi said:
<-- still made about the framerate drops in Rune Factory 2
Paracelsus
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
Ehm...the engine was ready and running on Wii, they could have used stylus-like controls with the remote, but they did not. It's not about the budget, it's just that they WANTED to make it a DS game, there's no "oh boo dis or nuthin ;_;" bullshit.
Oh, and by the way, even after the latest scan, I still think it looks bad. I guess art cannot always make up for the lack of tech. It'll probably be twewy-level of fun, so lots of fun, hence I'll buy it, but the point still stands.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It is about the budget. And the sales.Paracelsus said:
Assuming creating a new Wii game (even with an existing engine) would be roughly equivalent to the cost of a new DS game, the Wii game already didn't sell well. The DS has a much larger userbase and smaller titles are less likely to be ignored.
It's also easier to sell a cel-shaded Zelda-like on a system where a cel-shaded Zelda sold really well.
UpperCaseN
Member
wait, so this was confirmed to be an Okami sequel for DS? sort of want...?
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Your problem comes from within! You should try to carve it out with a butter knife. That's what I did.Paracelsus said:
Paracelsus
Member
ShockingAlberto said:
Neither did the PS2 version.
The brand popularity comes even before the quality of the game itself, when it's about sales. The closest example, looking at the sales, it's Blue Dragon, rather then Zelda. Even if -duckroll was joking but who knows really- the next installment turns out to be better than DQIX itself, or the "DQIX that could have been", you think people will care? No, because it's not Dragon Quest.
Not all people like to come down to an agreement just to see their favorite franchise still alive on life support. I like to think Suikoden died at the fifth installment (although that's a moot point imo, graphics are not one of the ST problems, but rather one of the few pros)
I'd pick out my own eyes, but I still need them. Sorry. D:
Pureauthor
Member
Paracelsus said:
Which... would... probably be why they're shifting this to a cheaper viable system, yes?
ShockingAlberto
Member
If Blue Dragon started on a system that was popular in Japan and was better than Dragon Quest, hell yes people would care! But it's not, so it won't.Paracelsus said:
Okami hasn't done well anywhere and this is the last pellet of the shotgun blast. It stands the best chance of not being the immense failures the previous two were.
WrenchNinja
Member
Looking at the latest scan...
Looking good. Sakuya looks nice in the screens. I like Chibiterasu and Kuninushi's designs, seems like their keeping the same art style character design wise. Kuninushi looks like a miniature Susanoo with Kushi's front hair.
Looking good. Sakuya looks nice in the screens. I like Chibiterasu and Kuninushi's designs, seems like their keeping the same art style character design wise. Kuninushi looks like a miniature Susanoo with Kushi's front hair.
Wolves Evolve
Member
ethelred said:
I agree. Back in myyyyyyy day, a hardcore gamer might have had preferences, but by large, they played and appreciated everything they could get their hands on. If I meet a gamer these days who is talking first about the console rather than what they play, I tune out.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
The eyes are like little sweet onions.Paracelsus said:
TGS can't come soon enough.EmCeeGramr
Member
OMG at latest scan. Chibiterasu actually looks really cute.
While I complain about Okami's downfalls in here, I do actually like the game, and one of my favorite parts was how Ammy just acted like... well, a dog, while everyone was lavishing poetic praise upon the benevolent Amaterasu, Mother to us all. Those sorts of situations with a puppy yipping around instead would be hilarious.
While I complain about Okami's downfalls in here, I do actually like the game, and one of my favorite parts was how Ammy just acted like... well, a dog, while everyone was lavishing poetic praise upon the benevolent Amaterasu, Mother to us all. Those sorts of situations with a puppy yipping around instead would be hilarious.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I feel the same basic way.EmCeeGramr said:
I liked Okami - it was flawed in a lot of deep ways, things that kept it from being truly great, but on the whole it was enjoyable.
A puppy running around and jumping around people sounds extra fun.
Especially if you can still bark.
Thunderbear said:
I don't define "generation" according to processor (or GPU) power. I define it according to a timeline of hardware releases.
The PS2/GCN/Xbox were one generation of hardware.
The PS3/Wii/360 are the successor generation, respectively.
Are the DS and N64 the same generation of hardware because their specs are vaguely similar? Of course not.
New gen vs. next gen, if you must.
My point still stands, though. Okami got TWO shots separated by 3 or so years on TWO different consoles with largely different audiences. If the DS version sells gangbusters, it's not likely to change anyone's mind over at Capcom about a third console version. It'll likely only secure another handheld release. It's all speculation, of course, but let's keep expectations semi-realistic.
EmCeeGramr
Member
ShockingAlberto said:
oh great and powerful chibiterasu, puppy to us all, i implore that you take heed of my prayers to thee that
no. NO. that is my carpet and you do not
stop rolling in that. that is not clean. now look what you've done. look at it. that is shame.
lorddarkflare
Banned
Wolves Evolve said:
I have always been this way as well.
But these days, you find moe console warriors than gamers.
Shame really.
I always loved Ammy's tendency to yawn and rest her head on her paws (in boredom?) during the longer cutscenes. However, I will happily trade that for a puppy Ammy-wannabe chasing her tail or yipping at butterflies while others discuss grave events.
Well, last night I made good on my idea of attempting to give Okami another shot.
As indicated in a previous post, I gave up my 30+ hour PS2 file and started over on the Wii (yep, did my part and double-dipped, day 1, full price, for both versions, despite not much liking the PS2 original).
I'm digging the more vibrant colors (due to the reduced paper filter, perhaps?) and the pointer painting controls. A lot. I was annoyed by the waggle combat, which isn't nearly as comfortable or painless as Twilight Princess, so I happy located an Ocarina code that kills the waggle and maps attacks/tackles and the dodge to buttons 1 and 2, respectively. Holding Z acts like a shift, so you can access the normal 1 and 2 commands by holding Z. Z+1 is now map, Z+2 is now first person view.
Additionally, since I have the game installed to HDD and running via USB Loader (with Ocarina cheat code support!), the load times have melted away. Even had they not removed the load screen demon fang minigame from the Wii version, there'd be no time for it in any event.
The game, in general, runs at a nicer clip. Though mapping combat to 1 and 2 is not ideal placement (and not as good as the dualshock controls), it's quite a bit better than the standard waggle, and married to the Wii's superior painting controls. It's a good compromise, IMHO, and I'm having no problem matching or exceeding my combat times and scores from the PS2 rev. And painting/slashing/whatever is so much more engaging!
Consequently, I put almost 6 hours into the game last night, and got a lot less sleep than I should have!
Well, last night I made good on my idea of attempting to give Okami another shot.
As indicated in a previous post, I gave up my 30+ hour PS2 file and started over on the Wii (yep, did my part and double-dipped, day 1, full price, for both versions, despite not much liking the PS2 original).
I'm digging the more vibrant colors (due to the reduced paper filter, perhaps?) and the pointer painting controls. A lot. I was annoyed by the waggle combat, which isn't nearly as comfortable or painless as Twilight Princess, so I happy located an Ocarina code that kills the waggle and maps attacks/tackles and the dodge to buttons 1 and 2, respectively. Holding Z acts like a shift, so you can access the normal 1 and 2 commands by holding Z. Z+1 is now map, Z+2 is now first person view.
Additionally, since I have the game installed to HDD and running via USB Loader (with Ocarina cheat code support!), the load times have melted away. Even had they not removed the load screen demon fang minigame from the Wii version, there'd be no time for it in any event.
The game, in general, runs at a nicer clip. Though mapping combat to 1 and 2 is not ideal placement (and not as good as the dualshock controls), it's quite a bit better than the standard waggle, and married to the Wii's superior painting controls. It's a good compromise, IMHO, and I'm having no problem matching or exceeding my combat times and scores from the PS2 rev. And painting/slashing/whatever is so much more engaging!
Consequently, I put almost 6 hours into the game last night, and got a lot less sleep than I should have!
EmCeeGramr
Member
just wook at da widdle puppy-wuppy puppalup doggy woggy
aren't choo an iddy biddy doggie yesh you ah, yesh you ah
aren't choo an iddy biddy doggie yesh you ah, yesh you ah
Orangepeel
Member
Paracelsus said:
it sold at least enough for greatest hits, however many units that is.
I don't play Sales Age, but according to Wikipedia...
I think Okami Wii is about to hit, or just hit Japan, so hopefully it'll do decently there. According to these numbers, it seems like the Wii version is more or less outselling the PS2 release, and that's with one major territory missing.
*shrugs*
I think Okami Wii is about to hit, or just hit Japan, so hopefully it'll do decently there. According to these numbers, it seems like the Wii version is more or less outselling the PS2 release, and that's with one major territory missing.
*shrugs*
Amibguous Cad
Member
Looking at the scans, all my concerns about the graphics have melted away. It won't look fantastic like the original, but they should be able to pull off the style on the DS.
Here's to hoping Capcom can do a good job with the series without Clover.
Here's to hoping Capcom can do a good job with the series without Clover.
lorddarkflare
Banned
Mejilan said:
Is it not slower initially running from a usb? Cuz i was thinking on digitalizing all my Wii games but speed has always kept me from doing so.
Wow at those scans, very nice.
Also, i personally think that Okami 2 should never have been made. Not all games need sequels.
SilverLunar
Member
Jeez why didn't the one who scan put the two pages out, and not just one???
NoitoraJirugajr said:
Uh, sure they can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5_fL4Mty7s
Orangepeel said:
I think some of the later reprints got GH just for the sake of it. Disgaea and Odin Sphere also had GH versions.
WrenchNinja
Member
I wouldn't really use TWEWY as evidence.ZealousD said:
Gimme All Your Love indeed.:lol
Segata Sanshiro
Member
God I love that game so much.ZealousD said:
WrenchNinja
Member
I suppose so. I guess people are worried about the soundtrack being smaller than Okami, which should be a given. I mean holy crap, that soundtrack was freakin' huge! 5 discs!BorkBork said:
And Chrono Trigger OST better than Okami's? Hmmm, I don't know.