Well 1 and 2 on Individual formats, and overall sales across both titles makes it the top franchise in the charts.
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PAL Charts - Week 41, 2013
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Well 1 and 2 on Individual formats, and overall sales across both titles makes it the top franchise in the charts.
Katana_Strikes
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Not as hyped, mixed reviews, GTAV, more competitive time of year, Heavy Rain came out at the height of those mystery/adventure games, I thought Heavy Rain had more/better marketing personally, people moving away from current gen saving for next.
Would all be my guesses.
WeylandxYutani
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Agreed. Consumers are also much more risk averse now than they were in 2010. GTA, FIFA and Pokemon are safe bets. Beyond is a gamble for the average punter
yup makes sense, thanks.
frankie_baby
Member
it probably wasn't far off number 40 and without numbers positioning doesn't mean much it could even have sold less this week than it did last
A few reasons, the main one being the lack of gameplay. Say what you want about QTEs, but it is an actual gameplay mechanic and there were consequences to failure. HR had a really depressing ending for QTE-impared players.
From what I understand there is no real consequence with BTS because you cannot fail at the 'gameplay'. I put gameplay in quotes because it boils down to moving the joystick occasionally. someone please correct me if I'm wrong
shinra-bansho
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Pokemon X and Y should also both be less than 90K each (<FIFA combined).
So combined they should be between 121K to 180K.
So combined they should be between 121K to 180K.
test_account
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Is there any reason why Black 2 and White 2 sold so much less in the first week compared to X and Y? I know about new Pokemon generation and that stuff, and it is the first main Pokemon game for the 3DS, but its surprising to me to see how many Pokemon fans who skipped out on Black 2 and White 2 in the launch week compared to X an Y.
frankie_baby
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the DS was pretty dead at the time
Principate
Saint Titanfall
3rd entries in pokemon seris always sell a lot less seen throough the franchise. B2 and W2 was essentially the the third entry. Same with a lot of series with mainlines and etc entries FF etc. Comparitiely to other third entires it actually did very well.
Prince Vultan
Banned
Not completely wrong as the "QTE" stuff (Though the way a lot of it works isn't quite standard QTE fare) does make up a large portion of the game, but that's far from all there is to it, as it does have a lot of explorative gameplay as well and also a significant amount of branching elements throughout.
It is far too forgiving for 'failure' though, sadly. That much is right.
A bit, yeah. Compares pretty favourably to to other Vanillaware games though... for what that's worth.
fvng
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Raonak
Banned
Middiling reviews, end of currentgen-so gamers saving up for next and most importantly, launching near juggernauts- Fifa, GTAV and pokemon.
peanutbutterlatte
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They'd probably already played Black and White. BW2 was a sequel, but it still reused assets, game world, and mechanics directly from BW2. It was more effort than Yellow/Emerald/Platinum, but not a whole lot.
Do you think it's ok in total since 59 percent is on PS3 and the other 41 on Vita?
Dragon1893
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Damn, some pretty embarrassing posts in this thread.
People actually comparing HR and Beyond sales based on chart position alone is also funny. It probably did sell less but that's not how it works.
People actually comparing HR and Beyond sales based on chart position alone is also funny. It probably did sell less but that's not how it works.
Make that embarrassing posts+1, there's no "probably" about it since we have numbers.
Dragon1893
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I'm saying that you can't draw that conclusion from chart position. The numbers do confirm it though, hadn't seen the relevant posts yet, that's Why I wasn't stating it as a fact.
Visualante2
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Just Dance players more important to the Nintendo ecosystem than Zelda fans.
Wonder how long Pokemon can hang in there. The £99 2DS in Tesco is going to be a big mover for children not on the tablet train.
Wonder how long Pokemon can hang in there. The £99 2DS in Tesco is going to be a big mover for children not on the tablet train.
Can quantify that? I mean consumer debt levels is rising recently, which indicates that they are more confident to spend. Not sure if the help to buy house thing affects this, though. I do think it is a crowded period but I'm not sure consumers are risk averse.
Katana_Strikes
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Not so much when you think a fair few would have imported than wait 3 months. I'm surprised it even charted. It fell off my radar.
That's pretty cool, but the lack of sales number really is infuriating. Seriously, it's just annoying how Media Create is pretty much the only tracker giving weekly sales data for both software AND hardware. This is why I generally don't bother with UK/US/EU charts, even though I love sales data.
Miles Quaritch
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37k for Beyond is depressing as hell. I guess now the hope is that it has extremely long legs...
FYI, Amazon just matched Tesco's price for the white 2DS. Not for the black one, now at 131 pounds since Amazon finished its stock and they're selling it through third parties.
shinra-bansho
Member
On the [personal] plus side, I'm guessing I'll probably be able to get Beyond for cheaper pretty soon.
WeylandxYutani
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It's less than that...
zomgbbqftw
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End of generation fatigue. BTS should have been a launch PS4 title or cross gen at least. The people Sony were targeting with this title (hardcore gamers) are all saving their pennies for a PS4 and £40 on a game which has middling reviews (though I think it's great personally) just 6 weeks out from a new generation start is probably too big of an ask.
BTS, TLoU and GT6 should all get PS4 ports IMO, that would give them a good chance of charting again and getting business from people who have gone next gen exclusive for all games except GTA5.
metalslimer
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Nice to see David Cage's hack writing get the sales they deserve, although I'm guessing it was just a bad time to launch the game this close to next gen
BW2 was a completely different game than the first though, unlike previous "third versions." Those were the same thing with a few tweaks. They just never sell as much as the first games do. Look at the Platinum numbers for instance.
test_account
XP-39C²
That is true, but most of the people probably still had their DS, and it could be played on the 3DS as well
But the DS being phased out might have been some reason yeah, i can see that.I see, so those Pokemon games (like Black 2 and White 2) are not fully new games, but more of an upgrade of the older games?
What is wrong with the writing in Beyond? (i havnt played it).
Miles Quaritch
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That's even worse, I thought 37k, while not great and pretty depressing, wasn't too bad considering the competition, but less than 37k is just heartbreaking and will undoubtedly be much, much lower than expectations. Sony put on a fantastic ad campaign for it, guess it just didn't resonate with the wider fanbase...
He's not the best writer, but come on...that's just needlessly mean.
Dragon1893
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There was some decent marketing for Beyond in the UK right? If the game underperforms globally I wonder if that will change sony's approach towards QD's next game. Will they pressure the studio to move away from this format and towards something more convential? Beyond obviously had a pretty big budget, having a game like this flop hard isn't something that can be ignored.
IncandescentPrecept
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It would be pretty hard for the game to not break even.
shinra-bansho
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If I recall correctly Quantic Dream's mocap studio is used in film production as well, as an additional revenue stream - so I don't think this bombaing is going to affect their solvency or anything.
It's strange. Hire Hollywood acting talent. Forgo Hollywood screenwriting talent. Although, I suppose this is all part of David Cage's not-so-secret aspirations to be part of Hollywood/make film.
I imagine though if this is less commercially successful de Fondaumière, who seems to control the purse strings will be seriously contemplating proper writers next time.
From what I've been told me the story is a mess in this.
It's strange. Hire Hollywood acting talent. Forgo Hollywood screenwriting talent. Although, I suppose this is all part of David Cage's not-so-secret aspirations to be part of Hollywood/make film.
I imagine though if this is less commercially successful de Fondaumière, who seems to control the purse strings will be seriously contemplating proper writers next time.
Hellraider
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Dunno about the UK, but here in Greece it's pretty damn hot these past couple of days.I am sure this will be the reason PES will top the charts for October instead of pokemon.
Miles Quaritch
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I definitely agree that he needs to take a back-seat when it comes to writing, but I appreciate his ideas if not the execution. He just needs to swallow his price and accept he can't do his ideas justice in terms of dialogue, story, etc.
I sincerely hope that they do force him to step down from writing duties with the next game, just hire someone competent. TWD and Fables show just how much of a difference a competent writer can make...
Sounds like some people here are mad at pokemon for some reason.
GTA is on more platforms than pokemon and they didn't even count the games together...
Also lol at ignoring the individual charts, first and second place is such a terrible result.
GTA is on more platforms than pokemon and they didn't even count the games together...
Also lol at ignoring the individual charts, first and second place is such a terrible result.
Pokemon did. Pokemon X did not, Pokemon Y also not,but together they did.
Bruno MB
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On second thought, Dragon's Crown publisher is very small so I guess overall numbers aren't bad.
Regarding Pokémon Black / White sales we have its first month sales.
March 2011 UK
[NDS] Pokémon White (Nintendo) - 154.000
[NDS] Pokémon Black (Nintendo) - 132.000
http://blog.livedoor.jp/gehaneta/archives/3716175.html
shinra-bansho
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I'm really not sure why beating or not beating the 4th week of GTA V's sales is some sort of metric or benchmark to begin with.
Oh, is that where this is coming from. Dumb.
Seriously. Why the hell are people gloating?
Well if you equate Pokemon X to GTA V 360 and Pokemon Y to GTA V PS3, then it beat GTA V individually and together...
It all started when someone started a thread if Pokemon XY will beat day 1 sales of GTAV. Then the rest are history.
Fanboyism, no interest into proper reading or asking, preferences for home consoles... Its GAF.
Exterminieren
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The way that some people here are so palpably disturbed by that Pokémon/ GTA thread is quite sad, really.
I think he is talking about overall sales in which Pokemon sales are nothing compared to GTA V sales in the UK.