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[njean777]

You gotta get that PS3 pad hooked up with your PC, brother. No point in getting into another squabble over KB/M controls, but in this day and age it's easier than ever to play on PC with a pad.

But can it work with every game? Other then the occasional rts I play, I would want it to work with every game I buy on pc.

 

[vMaxx]

Honestly I hope and believe we will see better than that in next gen consoles minus the 60fps part. I don't think that will ever be consistent in consoles.

At least the AAA games, I would like to believe that they will have 60 fps since the difference in fluidity between 30fps and 60fps is great.

 

[Gravijah]

At least the AAA games, I would like to believe that they will have 60 fps since the difference in fluidity between 30fps and 60fps is great.

The people who are making 60FPS games now will be making 60FPS games next gen. Otherwise, people will always go for eyecandy over framerate.

 

[Grayman]

Don't call it a comeback!

 

[snoopeasystreet]

But can it work with every game? Other then the occasional rts I play, I would want it to work with every game I buy on pc.

Use motion joy (which emulates a 360 controller) and it'll work for the majority of games released nowadays.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Can't wait to see the reactions of PC-gamers when we see actual graphics of the new consoles (not WiiU though). I suppose that at minimum, the new consoles will be able to run games like Witcher 2 or Crysis 2 in 1080p-60 frames-and all the effects that are possible at today's PCs.

my reaction will be "you finally made it. now the high bar is all the way over here"

 

[sTeLioSco]

its the end of a generation of console hardware from 2005 and gpu cards are affordable for every one to play the consolized games on pc....

instead of a pc get a ps360 and for only the exclusives and games that arent on pc (like red dead redeption) you are having more options and games than the pc. and ofcource their is psn/xbla with amazing games..........

 

[Snuggles]

Use motion joy (which emulates a 360 controller) and it'll work for the majority of games released nowadays.

Yep. At least in the case of multiplat titles, it's rare nowadays to see a title without pad support (I'm looking at you, Bioware).

 

[SneakyStephan]

I agree completely. But that goes to show people don't care. They buy the games that don't perform up to a reasonable standard (lets say reasonable being 720p/30/V-Sync'd for the sake of the hardware limitations). Publishers have to focus on what sells software, and triple buffering and MLAA are not it.

But they should care, and they would care if they knew.
The process of lowering resolutions and framerates and increased tearing has gone so slowly and gradual over the years that people didn't notice the change.
That's how the human mind works, it adapts.

Even people who work in a water processing plant stop being bothered by the smell after a few years , does that mean the smell is okay?

However if you are used to no tearing, smooth framerates and a crisp image, then you DO get hit by that striking difference every time you turn on your console (after a few hours I stop noticing as much, till the next time I play).

Console manufacterers HAVE traditionally always cared about input lag and consist framerates.
(go read the article about crash banditcoot design phase, or billboard placement in SSX, or go find early tech talk about ps2 and how a major selling point and point of interest for the sony tech guys was better framerates and consistent IQ and getting rid of n64/psx style draw distance and pop in)

A lot of the blame lies with LCD tvs too, if they already have a delay of several frames due to image processing, already can't render images in motion for shit, and already have tons of image artifacting then they already lowered the standards for users before they even got their console.

As a crt user or plasma user you do notice it very easily ,and it's very annoying.

But can it work with every game? Other then the occasional rts I play, I would want it to work with every game I buy on pc.

Why on earth would anyone want to play an rts with a pad, it does not work full stop.

And yes, every other game works with a ps3 pad.

 

[snoopeasystreet]

At least the AAA games, I would like to believe that they will have 60 fps since the difference in fluidity between 30fps and 60fps is great.

Given the choice between 60FPS and better looking explosions, the majority of developers/publishers will choose the latter. A lot of consumers can't tell the difference/don't care about the extra FPS.

 

[vMaxx]

my reaction will be "you finally made it. now the high bar is all the way over here"

Probably but let's see. Since the new consoles will be out in 2 years from now, I am expecting their performance to be really really good. At least competitive with the best of what 2011 PCs can do!

 

[vMaxx]

Given the choice between 60FPS and better looking explosions, the majority of developers/publishers will choose the latter. A lot of consumers can't tell the difference/don't care about the extra FPS.

Maybe, but if there is enough power, why not both graphics and fps? Maybe the new machines will be way more capable than we think that they will be. The prices of GPUs, CPUs and etc are getting lower and the power is increasing all the time!

 

[2San]

the game is fixed now. they are also a very small developer who can't offer as many resources as a activision or EA to fix things. but the game is fine and plays great now.

Fixed when? 11 days ago it was still broken. So being a small developer gives you a free pass to release broken shit? And you wonder why people prefer console gaming? I could have spent my money on a small developers who aren't trash in coding.

 

[StuBurns]

But they should care, and they would care if they knew.

I'm not saying you're wrong, and to be clear, I do think PC gaming is better when we're talking about a specific game that is on PC/PS360. But it's not up to me to tell people their opinions of what is acceptable is wrong. A lot of people consider OoT the greatest game ever made, it was 24fps. Ico is my favorite game and it's native resolution was like 240i or something.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Fixed when? 11 days ago it was still broken. So being a small developer gives you a free pass and release broken shit? And you wonder why people prefer console gaming?

Thought Bethesda games sold well on consoles too? They can't even play the small developer card.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Fixed when? 11 days ago it was still broken. So being a small developer gives you a free pass to release broken shit? And you wonder why people prefer console gaming? I could have spent my money on a small developers who aren't trash in coding.

I see you haven't played black ops on ps3, or brink on any console.
I'm going to let you look that up for yourself, my hands are busy covering my face.

 

[Gravijah]

Maybe, but if there is enough power, why not both graphics and fps? Maybe the new machines will be way more capable than we think that they will be. The prices of GPUs, CPUs and etc are getting lower and the power is increasing all the time!

It doesn't matter how powerful they are. Developers will almost always go for more eye candy.

 

[vMaxx]

It doesn't matter how powerful they are. Developers will almost always go for more eye candy.

Time for a change in industry standards then!

 

[snoopeasystreet]

Maybe, but if there is enough power, why not both graphics and fps? Maybe the new machines will be way more capable than we think that they will be.

It would be great to have both but we're not a point (and won't be for a while) where we can have both of those without any trade-off.

I think the reason why there isn't as many 60FPS games out there is because when marketing a game, most of the ways in which games are advertised to the public aren't in 60FPS. So if you're going to be uploading a trailer to YouTube, it's more advantageous to make it pretty because it's going up at 29FPS anyway.

 

[gatti-man]

Maybe, but if there is enough power, why not both graphics and fps? Maybe the new machines will be way more capable than we think that they will be. The prices of GPUs, CPUs and etc are getting lower and the power is increasing all the time!

Its just the nature of the beast. Consoles by definition are compromises. Pc's can be but can also be more. Publishers will always go for the wow, saying you can have both isn't really possible since" wow factor" tends to be something boundary pushing.

 

[2San]

I see you haven't played black ops on ps3, or brink on any console.
I'm going to let you look that up for yourself, my hands are busy covering my face.

Thought Bethesda games sold well on consoles too? They can't even play the small developer card.

Yeah I don't support them either(I don't like Bethesda RPG's, not my thing). Don't get me started on Brink that's higher on my devs I want to see crash burn list. Didn't buy Brink myself, since I trusted GAF, but it was sad to see my bro get tortured by that game.

 

[Jin]

Naturally what should follow is an explanation of how you can create a rig that can play Crysis on ultra high at 3000 fps (nevermind if you don't know shit about assembling the hardware of a computer, loading an operating system, ensuring your gaming rig is appropriately powered/cooled yet doesn't sound like a Harrier lifting off) using a rubber pand, a toothpick and a squirrel.

Have we come to the point where loading an operating system is consider a Herculean task?

 

[Broder Salsa]

It doesn't matter how powerful they are. Developers will almost always go for more eye candy.

Well infinity ward did not and I don't think you should underestimate the fps in the popularity of CoD on consoles.

 

[vMaxx]

Its just the nature of the beast. Consoles by definition are compromises. Pc's can be but can also be more. Publishers will always go for the wow, saying you can have both isn't really possible since" wow factor" tends to be something boundary pushing.

I really want to believe that we will have them both in the next-gen machines. In the begining of their life-cycle, the machines will be able probably to output that but maybe later on, they will not be able to cope with the new formats of let's say for example 2000p and 120 frames that PCs will eventually be able to run. I am cool with that. This is the nature of each console generation anyways.

 

[teh_pwn]

What is up with PC gamers and these types of celebratory threads?

Also, great games like Jamestown don't need no stinkin' high end PC.

These threads aren't that common. At the very least not as common as speculating 500 pages from every non-news interview from PR regarding next gen consoles.

"We will deliver stuff next gen"
500 pages. Daily.

 

[snoopeasystreet]

Well infinity ward did not and I don't think you should underestimate the fps in the popularity of CoD on consoles.

That's certainly true. But I think that COD 4 looked pretty great in 2007.

I'm not sure if most consumers could recognise 60FPS. They probably just quantify it as "this game feels better to play".

 

[Gravijah]

Well infinity ward did not and I don't think you should underestimate the fps in the popularity of CoD on consoles.

There are exceptions, and they are great. I'd really like 60FPS to be the standard on next gen consoles, but it's just not likely at all in my eyes.

 

[Tain]

Revisiting games on my new PC has been awesome. Even stuff like Just Cause 2 seems like it's from the future.

 

[Pimpbaa]

I don't mind that most of my PC titles are console ports. Lots of great console games out there with potentially good graphics that are ruined by poor image quality. It's amazing how much texture detail is just simply lost due to low resolution and poor texture filtering.

 

[Seraphinianus]

wish i could afford to build a rig right now....damn this thread title for making me think something innovative had come along instead of just another nice cheap GPU. which requires a nice processor and nice ram and nice everything else

 

[john_trent11]

I just upgraded my graphics card from my trusty 8800GT to a slick GTX 560 Ti. And I'm literally having an eyegasm as I'm trying many of my games in DX11/10, 4XAA+, 50+fps: Metro, Assassins Creed, Crysis 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. COP, StarCraft 2, Just Cause 2, Company of Heroes. Holy shit WOW! just wow!

And to think that by years end a graphics card with the power of the GTX 560 Ti will probably be available for less than $200. And then to top it off this fact will combine with the awesome Steam holiday sales. I just can't contain my excitement at what this upgrade has shown me. This is the year the pc reclaims back its throne!

I must resist responding to this provocative post and atrocious title...trying..and..failing. I'm not sure if this is a joke thread or serious, but I will proceed anyway. The PC (Master Race) might "win" the battle, but it's getting crushed in the war. Let me attempt to articulate the obvious:

• Micro view - The Master Race wins the battle because of nice bonuses and extras. This includes enhancements that improve the graphical fidelity over consoles. See Crysis 2 DirectX11 Tessellation Pack and Todd Howard explaining Skyrim. Ooo...shiny. The modding community is excellent and non-existent for consoles.

• Macro view - Given the antiquated nature of the hardware used in consoles, it's a terrible blow to the Master Race that the same games are sold among all platforms. Consoles are essentially six year-old computers. There have been great improvements since launch, but we are looking at some abysmal equivalent computer specs, like 512 MB RAM. That's awful when compared to a high-end PC.

Here's a metaphor (with just a hint of hyperbole). You are driving on a highway in a Bugatti Veyron which has a maximum speed of 267 MPH (a sweet high-end PC). To your right is a sensible but conservative mini-wagon (console). Due to age and engine issues, the mini-wagon cannot exceed 50 MPH. Unfortunately, the highway system (Gaming Industry) primarily caters to mini-wagons and the speed limit is 65 MPH. Your fancy sports car has the potential to do wonderful and amazing things (maybe it could even fly?) but you can only realize a fraction of them.

The day the Master Race wins is when PC exclusives become the rule and not the exception. That will never happen because it's a fiscal failure to intentionally limit your market and earnings to a fraction of its potential. We've actually seen the opposite of this trend recently (see Gnashing of Teeth | OT) which further demonstrates the inability of the PC to ever "win back its throne."

 

[ZZMitch]

No dude.

PC gaming wins because games are more fun on PC.

 

[gatti-man]

I don't mind that most of my PC titles are console ports. Lots of great console games out there with potentially good graphics that are ruined by poor image quality. It's amazing how much texture detail is just simply lost due to low resolution and poor texture filtering.

So so true. Love me some mass effect and dead space at 2560x1600.

 

[Oreoleo]

• Macro view - Given the antiquated nature of the hardware used in consoles, it's a terrible blow to the Master Race that the same games are sold among all platforms. Consoles are essentially six year-old computers. There have been great improvements since launch, but we are looking at some abysmal equivalent computer specs, like 512 MB RAM. That's awful when compared to a high-end PC.

Here's a metaphor (with just a hint of hyperbole). You are driving on a highway in a Bugatti Veyron which has a maximum speed of 267 MPH (a sweet high-end PC). To your right is a sensible but conservative mini-wagon (console). Due to age and engine issues, the mini-wagon cannot exceed 50 MPH. Unfortunately, the highway system (Gaming Industry) primarily caters to mini-wagons and the speed limit is 65 MPH. Your fancy sports car has the potential to do wonderful and amazing things (maybe it could even fly?) but you can only realize a fraction of them.

The up side to this is you don't have to drop money on a new video card to keep up with new games every 6 months like you used to in the last 90's early 00's. So I don't think it's so much of a problem really.

 

[Cday]

wish i could afford to build a rig right now....damn this thread title for making me think something innovative had come along instead of just another nice cheap GPU. which requires a nice processor and nice ram and nice everything else

"nice ram" costs about $40 now and a CPU that won't be a bottleneck on the GPU costs $100.

 

[Tom Penny]

No dude.

PC gaming wins because games are more fun on PC.

Winning is a decent PC and a PS3 so I got my Blu Ray movies and a media server for streaming shit to my TV from my PC and it covers 90% of the games I'd want to play. Far worth it over buying 2 consoles that's for fucking sure plus I need a PC anyway for all sorts of shit.

 

[truly101]

Msybe its best console geeks and PC nerds don't mingle on the internets, someone always ends up with hurt feelings. I say play what you want on whatever you want. Break out the Coleco-vision and the Vic 20, YAY VIDYA GAMES!

 

[ZZMitch]

Winning is a decent PC and a PS3 so I got my Blu Ray movies and a media server for streaming shit to my TV from my PC and it covers 90% of the games I'd want to play. Far worth it over buying 2 consoles that's for fucking sure plus I need a PC anyway for all sorts of shit.

Oh, I feel the same way, except replace the PS3 with a Wii I have a bluray drive on my PC so I have little need for a PS3.

 

[flyinpiranha]

If all you cared about was gameplay you'd own a ps2 not a 360 or ps3.

That is an absolute asinine argument. No new games on the system for one and the 360 and PS3 have enabled the developers to improve gameplay, usually improving on those "classics" you probably are thinking of that have great gameplay.

Improvement.

I love my PC. I also love my consoles and handhelds.

Graphics are important enough to me to where I really couldn't get into the Wii games all that much, but the 360 and PS3 provide the lowest acceptable level for me to really enjoy them, and sometimes (like with Gears and Uncharted) they exceed my expectations. But that's for consoles, I hold different expectations for handhelds and such.

Then I play Just Cause 2 on my PC and remember how great these games look on the PC and am very hopeful for the next generation of consoles. The PC is great, but I just have enjoyed the consoles more at this point.

 

[ThanksVision]

Just for reference... How much does a high end PC like OP's cost?

 

[Stallion Free]

Just for reference... How much does a high end PC like OP's cost?

You can build a sick rig for 1000$. I mean seriously sick.

 

[teh_pwn]

Just for reference... How much does a high end PC like OP's cost?

A mid range gaming PC with a GTX 560 goes for about $700-$800 if you build it yourself. Check out the PC gaming thread.

High end around $1000-1200. Enthusiast (SSD, RAID, multi GPU, OC i7 2600, 16 GB RAM) around $1500.

PC gaming isn't just about eye candy. That can be part of it. It's also got proper RTS games, puzzle games, more immersive FPS games. Several games have huge mod communities where you can basically get amateur DLC for free (often it's better, easy to be compared to stuff like Fable 3's black die DLC and dog dresses). You can also use a 360 controller if you like.

 

[toastyToast]

Just for reference... How much does a high end PC like OP's cost?

He didn't say what his entire setup consisted of, just that he bought a $250 graphics card.

Adding odds and ends together you can complete the system for another $500 or so. Or, if your computer isn't ancient, install the new card and you're off.

 

[Seraphinianus]

"nice ram" costs about $40 now and a CPU that won't be a bottleneck on the GPU costs $100.

yeah yeah, whatever. I know what kind of machine I want to build and it's at least a grand. i don't have PC parts lying around these days, so I'd have to buy everything, monitor too.

 

[Sophia]

Just for reference... How much does a high end PC like OP's cost?

Depends on what you have for a setup now. You can build a slick setup for $600 if you've already got a recent motherboard + monitor + case.

 

[Lasthope106]

Just for reference... How much does a high end PC like OP's cost?

Well, given that all the components in my rig - except for the graphics card - are from 2007, you could build a machine like mine with much better (newer) tech for about $800.

 

[Shurs]

yeah yeah, whatever. I know what kind of machine I want to build and it's at least a grand. i don't have PC parts lying around these days, so I'd have to buy everything, monitor too.

Do you own an HDTV?

 

[flyinpiranha]

Just for reference... How much does a high end PC like OP's cost?

That card is like $200-250 depending. For the rest of the PC you're looking at $800 or less.

It really depends.

I built a BEAST of a machine for a friend on Newegg for about $1200 ... and it's overkill. 12Gb DDR3, SSD, i7-2600 ....

I mean, PC gaming is expensive if you go balls out but you don't have to. I have a system from 2008 with a an upgraded $240 videocard and I'm solid for another 2 years. I can't run EVERYTHING at max but damned near close.

Plus I do everything else on my PC. I don't really factor in only the gaming part as that's just a perk. My girl does work on PS, it's a media streamer, work stuff if I'm working remote ... PC can be used for so much more, it's like factoring in your entire entertainment system as the "cost" of console gaming.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

damn, this thread is VIOLENT.

typical recipie of console guys who haven't played on a PC and still think they cost $1500 to buy a decent one + monitor costs and you have to use kb&m.

 

[Hulud]

Couple things,

1. Better graphics can certainly make a game more fun. (when I found the rooms with volumetric steam/smoke in STALKER Clear Sky, I sat around throwing different objects into it seeing how it would react for a good 10 minutes...fun)

2. Tinkering with your PC is almost as fun as playing games on it.



P.S. Consoles have fun games too.