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PC version of Inside seemingly using Denuvo
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Scrooge McDuck
Member
I still keep my family's NES. My brother still keeps his Sega Mega Drive. We whip it out whenever there's a family gathering.
Ubisoft did back in the days with Starforce on Splinter Cell Chaos Theory ..... the funny part is they used RLD's crack to do it in official patch :-D or the old comeback from online-only DRM mess back in the days(same goes for Simcity 2013)
couple times it was with securom+gwfl/tages/starforce games when they got rereleased onto steam ... some of the history is here http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1b88z1uxK1qmbh2e.png
AHA-Lambda
Member
I'm sure Sega did this with Alpha Protocol
I think pirates will only become potential consumers when the majority of games are behind Denuvo-type DRM. Since there are metric tons of Denuvo-free/cracked games, pirates just play whatever new DRM-free game is out. Once enough games get behind protection however, they'll have to make the choice between buying some games or only playing cracked games that are 6 months to one year old (assuming Denuovo doesn't get harder to crack, which it probably will).
AcceptableGhost
Member
You can refund your pre-order or refund after the game releases and get your money back.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6345-QIDX-7244
KimonoNoNo
Member
If Denuvo goes out of business the most valuable thing to it's creditors is it's Intellectual Property. Therefore there will not be any patch released in the event of Denuvo going under as the process will be sold to some other party who will either carry on like nothing has changed or bury it if they're a competitor. Hope to god it's the former.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Did you not see the study above?
The top 20% pirates already spend more than the bottom 80% of pirates and also more than the regular consumers.
Movalpolos
Banned
I'm all for content creators protecting their titles as long as it doesn't actually effect me playing the game.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, I'm with this
The games with Denuvo that I've played have all been fine. There are many games that I didn't even realise had it.
It's a shame for games that could otherwise have great modding communities, but you can't really begrudge a developer for attempting to protect their source of income
Disappointing news. Denuvo is server based. When that server ends so does the game unless unlocks or cracks happen. I dont support that. If i spend full price i want to own it, like GOG offers. I have an absurdly large Steam collection and it took a long time for me to come to terms with Steam DRM. All the new shit is crap. Bargain bin it is for this game.
ipukespiders
Member
Developers are free to implement DRM as they wish. Luckily, I don't have to support it.
pretty much. Denuvo absolutely lowers the value of a product for me. Things like this help me decide on what to relegate to a sale.
Yeah I know. But Valve sent me a really snarky email about potentially declining future refunds (which I'm fairly certain goes against the orders of the legal proceedings they recently lost in Australia) and I'd rather not have to deal with that over this particular title.
crazy how so many here went from "I want the game" to "Well im not buying it anymore"
and that just because devs want to protect their games vs piracy
heck, I have friends who are 20 + and STILL pirate SP only games because " why would I buy it when I can play it for free hehehe"
And it won't even affect like 99% of the people who are complaining about denuvo in this thread.
"what happens when servers shut down?"
yeah, if you buy the game now then I dont see why you'd worry about this... I don't think the servers shutting down in like 5 years+ will do something to you... but keep acting like it's a big deal
and that just because devs want to protect their games vs piracy
heck, I have friends who are 20 + and STILL pirate SP only games because " why would I buy it when I can play it for free hehehe"
And it won't even affect like 99% of the people who are complaining about denuvo in this thread.
"what happens when servers shut down?"
yeah, if you buy the game now then I dont see why you'd worry about this... I don't think the servers shutting down in like 5 years+ will do something to you... but keep acting like it's a big deal
Keep telling yourself that. Cross your fingers on the good will of corporations to unlock their DRM when they decide to move on and cut costs.
It could very well be a big deal for the kind of person that likes to keep and replay their old games.
If you only play games the once, or in the case of multiplayer games, for a limited period, then happily never touch them again then I can see why you would think it's not a problem - that appears to be the difference between those here supporting use of Denuvo (and other forms of DRM) and those opposed to it.
ASilentProtagonist
Member
I just finished it on PC (review copy), and I didn't even know it was using another DRM until seeing this thread. Pretty surprised.
Seeing quite a bit of negativity here. I'm pretty ignorant on the Denuvo issue, why are people upset about this?
Seeing quite a bit of negativity here. I'm pretty ignorant on the Denuvo issue, why are people upset about this?
toddhunter
Member
Ever feel the urge to play Dark Souls again? Well lucky you still can. But keep acting like this is a non-issue.
Garrett Hawke
Member
It will be, just launch the game one time while you're still connected to the internet. I don't think it ever checks again, or if it does, it's like a month or something.
texhnolyze
Banned
Well, sure. I still have my PS2 as well. But compared to games that can still be played vs the opposite, which are the more common ones?
But is it a fact that if Dark Souls were using Denuvo we won't be able to play it right now? Why are we keep saying that Denuvo games won't be able to run anymore in the future as a fact?
It is a big fucking deal. And yes, shutting down in 5 years would absolutely affect. I play games older than that all the fucking time.
It negatively affects consumers.
Because it is a fact. It relies on servers to be played. Ergo, when the servers go down, so goes your possibility of playing the game. This is a fact.
You're talking about Valve's old refund procedure where everything was reviewed by an employee. Refunds were very rare and Valve would always tell you that it was a ONE TIME EVENT.
The new refund system has been largely automated for a while now. They won't send any emails.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Won't support because DRM so you experience it for free.
:-|
I mean, I don't agree with DRM, but I don't really agree with "YouTubing" single player story heavy games either.
Ah. That's fine then, I guess. Still against online checks but it's not going to stop me from buying what's apparently an amazing game.
More_Badass
Member
Especially when so much of what works comes from actually playing it. The pacing, how that pacing builds and subverts expectations, the feel and fluidity of the animations, and so on...all those are major pillars of the game and what makes it so effective, and you can't get that from passively watching.
I would love to experience all of that, but I've had terrible luck with Denuvo and DRM in general. Likely due to my location and terrible connection, but that's something out of my control. Adam Orth would probably disagree.
Might pick this up on sale in a few months or so. Until then it's YouTube or Wikipedia.
Why would you want to ruin it by slogging through another person playing on YouTube when you plan on playing it eventually yourself?
I grew up poor, so buying games on day one was never an option. Instead, I spent my afternoons hanging out in stores and watching other people play. It' never affected my enjoyment of a game even when I play it several weeks/months later.
Honestly, it's never been an issue for me. I have a few people I enjoy watching like the folks at Giantbomb, or ENB. Watching him play DS was even more entertaining than playing the game itself
I can't play Episodes from Liberty City on my new PC without downloading a crack because either SecuROM or GFWL (or both) refuse to run on Windows 10. DRM definitely makes a game worse, even if it doesn't affect you right now. If the game's free, feel free to add however much crap you want to it. When you're asking me to pay for it, it's only fair that I get to complain when I don't like something.
As an example, I played (and loved) the original Deus Ex for the first time 3 years ago. It's a game that came out in 2000. By your logic, it wouldn't have been a big deal if the game had been inaccessible for the last 11 years due to DRM, and as a result I had to miss out on such an experience. But I think that situation should never happen. DRM that can render a game useless is bullshit.
As someone who preordered the PC version of MGS5 TPP, I'm part of the problem, I know. I'll still complain, even if it makes me an hypocrite. After all, paying for something doesn't mean I have to like everything about it.
Or, by not supporting it, you can show that you won't allow third parties to take your games hostage, therefore ensuring that most games avoid it in the future. Not my case, I already bought games with SecuROM and now Denuvo, but I sympathize with people who do this, and sometimes wish I had a bit more self-control when it comes to games that implement such anti-consumer practices.
I should support denuvo, a drm that already fucks up offline playability and hampers modding, so more games can be fucked by that? That's a terrible suggestion right there.
And yes, let's rely on the belief that Denuvo will exist forever lol
RowdyReverb
Member
The thing I don't get is that it's only $20. It's not like you're taking out a mortgage here. Even if the severs shut down in 5 years, that's still only $20 for a game you've been able to enjoy for a long time.
I do understand the argument that people just don't want to support denuvo, but I suspect those people were on the fence about the game anyway.
Let's be clear, DRM like this isn't a deal breaker, but I consider it just as much a failure as a significant bug. Thus it very much affects the value I place on the game. Sometimes it is enough to tip the balance and even more so these days when a person is spoiled for choice.
NoPiece
Member
It's up to the game publisher, not Denuvo, to release a patch, or DRM free executable. The question is what if Playdead goes out of business.
The thing that you're missing is that there are tons of other games coming out. Even if someone's dying to play Inside, they have an entire world of Denuvo-free titles to choose from instead. It's not about the price being low, it's about the whole package (game + DRM) being unappealing, even if the game by itself seems awesome.
Basically this. I can afford the $60 that Quantum Break costs on the Windows 10 Store, and it's a game that I'd love to play (I'm a huge Max Payne fan, although I didn't care for Alan Wake). I won't buy it though, because I think UWAs aren't worth that. That's not a platform I want to support. It's a shame that good games will be skipped because of this, but that's not my fault. It wasn't me who chose the platform or DRM they'd be bundled with, so why should I pay to deal with the consequences they bring?
It might not be for you, but $20 is still a lot for many people (especially those outside of the US)
Ahahahahahah please tell me this is a joke.
Perhaps the top 20% are able to spend more because of that extra money they're saving from pirating?
Haint
Member
You're not taking out a mortgage for $40, $50, or $60 either, so the fact that it's "only" $20 is immaterial to the discussion. You just described every game ever.
A response doesn't have to be pro-DRM to be reasonable. There have been plenty of reasonable responses in this thread that haven't championed the erosion of consumer rights in the face of the boogeyman of piracy.
This cannot be said enough. I've found myself looking more towards GOG for purchases over Steam because I know it'll just work without me having to look up some shenanigans to bypass DRM that no longer works on modern OSes. I don't pirate games and I enjoy supporting the developers who help make my hobby great, but I sure as shit despise having my money suddenly go to waste because the latest version of Windows doesn't work with whatever rootkit BS some publisher or developer tries to pass off as DRM. Hurting your actual paying customers isn't the way to fight piracy.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I feel like it would take an incredibly drastic event for these Denuvo games to be unplayable in the future. Like, on the scale that it would be understandable why it lost function. Barring some insane occurrence, I'm not sold that this is a one-way ticket to games not working. If there's is a problem, there will be something in place to correct it.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, I think so too. There's no way such large games are using Denuvo without there being any contingency for server failure/shut down
Randomizer123454444
Member
I have yet to have issues with Denuvo. I'm always connected to internet anyway so offline mode is irrelevant to me. I have lived through some very intrusive DRM so Denuvo is pretty harmless in my books.
It's FAR more likely that I will have issues with the old game being incompatible with my pc hardware/drivers and not starting than some drm server being shut down. So, I don't mind Denuvo.
It's FAR more likely that I will have issues with the old game being incompatible with my pc hardware/drivers and not starting than some drm server being shut down. So, I don't mind Denuvo.