Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Or trying to stab a cop or throwing an unknown chemical in officers faces.
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Police at UC Davis pepper spray faces/mouths of peaceful student protesters
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Or trying to stab a cop or throwing an unknown chemical in officers faces.
No? I've been reading that the police were surrounded by protesters when this all went down. Is that not true?
The protesters were sitting down. The cops were even stepping over them so they could spray them in the face.
When did this happen during the even in which this thread is about?Or trying to stab a cop or throwing an unknown chemical in officers faces.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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The protesters were sitting down. The cops were even stepping over them so they could spray them in the face.
They were resisting attempts to be removed. No one else got sprayed but them.
When did this happen during the even in which this thread is about?
During last week in New York
Dahellisdat
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Why not watch the videos in the OP and decide for yourself?
Edit: also, there is some serious troll feeding going on here - just ignore them already.
I did watch it. Like I said, I'm not condoning the way the police reacted, but being surrounded by protesters that are defying what you are ordering them to do will lead to something like this happening.
travisbickle
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Violently sitting.
It's potential violence, according to Manos there has been "escalating potential violence", he's a lawyer don't you know.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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It's potential violence, according to Manos there has been "escalating potential violence", he's a lawyer don't you know.
You never admitted you were wrong about an officer being placed on administrative leave somehow being automatically judged to be wrong.
I would like to again give attention to the fact that this protest went off without any violence on the protesters part. It's amazing given the circumstances that nobody decided to lash out against the police and they should be given recognition for their astounding restraint. I hope that protesters around the country look at this video and it helps steel their resolve in the face of increasing police and authoritarian violence.
Inspiring work.
Now I'm off to bed.
Inspiring work.
Now I'm off to bed.
I would like to again give attention to the fact that this protest went off without any violence on the protesters part. It's amazing given the circumstances that nobody decided to lash out against the police and they should be given recognition for their astounding restraint. I hope that protesters around the country look at this video and it helps steel their resolve in the face of increasing police and authoritarian violence.
Inspiring work.
Now I'm off to bed.
Indeed. I am not convinced about their goals, nor am I convinced it will bring any positive change, but they conducted themselves brilliantly in this instance.
ThisWreckage
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There is generally power in numbers, but that isn't the case for the 99%. The 99% is a fractured, schizophrenic mess that runs the gamut from people that want legitimate change to people that are police apologists. The 1% can sit back and watch us devour one another.
thezerofire
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I've lived in Orange County all my life. This shit would not fly here.Texas and/or Orange County.
also if you think that illegal = violent you're delusional.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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What if they were Muslim? OC seems to be a hot bed of Anti Muslim racism,I've lived in Orange County all my life. This shit would not fly here.
thezerofire
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what the fuck does that have to do with this? But on topic, yes, the charging of the Irvine 11 was retarded. And OC doesn't seem to be alone with that racism (Islam isn't a race btw), it seems to be pretty prevalent around the country.What if they were Muslim? OC seems to be a hot bed of Anti Muslim racism,
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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what the fuck does that have to do with this? But on topic, yes, the charging of the Irvine 11 was retarded.
I could easily sway them to believe that the students were violent. If you have people already like that, it's really easy to build on their biases.
thezerofire
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have you watched the videos? (there are many of them). There was clearly no violence. It's a moot point.I could easily sway them to believe that the students were violent. If you have people already like that, it's really easy to build on their biases.
have you watched the videos? (there are many of them). There was clearly no violence. It's a moot point.
I hope he's not sitting down to use his computer. Using it that violently, he might break something!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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They would find them guilty,.have you watched the videos? (there are many of them). There was clearly no violence. It's a moot point.
SteveWinwood
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Manos is the greatest lawyer of all time.
I could easily sway them to believe that the students were violent.
Lol, when have you ever swayed an opinion? Surely you have some level of self-awareness?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Lol, when have you ever swayed an opinion? Surely you have some level of self-awareness?
I could easily convince you that they police where planning on escalating to keeping live ammo rounds for use if a situation escalates and that they were planning on creating a false flag situation. Once you know a person political ideology and biases, you can easily convince them of something that fits in their belief/bias universe.
kame-sennin
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So then you acknowledge that they were knowingly breaking the law? I thought this was a peaceful protest we were discussing.
Rosa Parks broke the law when she didn't give up her seat. Rosa Parks was involved in a non-violent protest. Peaceful civil disobedience means breaking the law without the use of violence.
Do you understand that civil disobedience and all the drama makes some people like me embarrassed and unable to be associated with OWS? You don't need it to spread the message, the vast majority of Americans feel disenfranchised and economically screwed by the wealthy. But I'm not hitching my wagon to such a disruptive and juvenile group, get some actual leaders and run some candidates who can do some actual change. Or I'll be on the sidelines waiting for someone serious to emerge.
If you think these problems can be solved by running a candidate for national election, you haven't been paying attention.
SteveWinwood
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I could easily convince you that they police where planning on escalating to keeping live ammo rounds for use if a situation escalates and that they were planning on greeting a false flag situation. Once you know a person political ideology and biases, you can easily convince them of something that fits in their belief/bias universe.
Uh huh.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Imagine if Rosa Parks were pepper sprayed for sitting down where she wasn't supposed to sit down.
adamsappel
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Ha ha, look at those silly Negroes, wanting to go to school with White People! They got what they deserved.
Oh, wait, wrong era.
Should I wait for the posts of denial and protest that that was different, and I'd be right there protesting such an outrageous abuse of civil rights, but this is just about mommy and daddy having to pay more for college, or lazy bums hating rich people, or not liking cops beating up students and faculty at another school, or whatever else I don't agree with. Is the protest-to-come about being pepper-sprayed by overzealous police a worthy one? Where is that line that justifies the risk of (gasp) sitting down and blocking a sidewalk? Do you even have one? It seems doubtful, for anyone espousing "do what cops say, or you gon' get hurt."
The next thing you know, these Negroes will want to marry our White Women!
Oh, wait, wrong era.
Should I wait for the posts of denial and protest that that was different, and I'd be right there protesting such an outrageous abuse of civil rights, but this is just about mommy and daddy having to pay more for college, or lazy bums hating rich people, or not liking cops beating up students and faculty at another school, or whatever else I don't agree with. Is the protest-to-come about being pepper-sprayed by overzealous police a worthy one? Where is that line that justifies the risk of (gasp) sitting down and blocking a sidewalk? Do you even have one? It seems doubtful, for anyone espousing "do what cops say, or you gon' get hurt."
The next thing you know, these Negroes will want to marry our White Women!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Ha ha, look at those silly Negroes, wanting to go to school with White People! They got what they deserved.
Oh, wait, wrong era.
Should I wait for the posts of denial and protest that that was different, and I'd be right there protesting such an outrageous abuse of civil rights, but this is just about mommy and daddy having to pay more for college, or lazy bums hating rich people, or not liking cops beating up students and faculty at another school, or whatever else I don't agree with. Is the protest-to-come about being pepper-sprayed by overzealous police a worthy one? Where is that line that justifies the risk of (gasp) sitting down and blocking a sidewalk? Do you even have one? It seems doubtful, for anyone espousing "do what cops say, or you gon' get hurt."
The next thing you know, these Negroes will want to marry our White Women!
"Where all the white women at!"*
*in case someone is really dense, it's a blazing saddles reference.
EmCeeGramr
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I could easily convince you that they police where planning on escalating to keeping live ammo rounds for use if a situation escalates and that they were planning on greeting a false flag situation. Once you know a person political ideology and biases, you can easily convince them of something that fits in their belief/bias universe.
Sometimes they can even convince themselves!
I could easily convince you that they police where planning on escalating to keeping live ammo rounds for use if a situation escalates and that they were planning on greeting a false flag situation. Once you know a person political ideology and biases, you can easily convince them of something that fits in their belief/bias universe.
Planning on escalating to keeping ammo to use if escalated?
Manos, you couldn't convince a dog to sit.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Uh huh.
So are you saying that the various media groups can't or doesn't manipulate it's base for it's own reasons?
Rosa Parks broke the law when she didn't give up her seat. Rosa Parks was involved in a non-violent protest. Peaceful civil disobedience means breaking the law without the use of violence.
Are we seriously about to compare this to the Civil Rights Movement? Because there are big differences here.
Are we seriously about to compare this to the Civil Rights Movement? Because there are big differences here.
Do you know what civil rights are? Doesn't sound like it.
Are we seriously about to compare this to the Civil Rights Movement? Because there are big differences here.
the difference between the civil rights movement and this is that the civil rights movement already happened
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Are we seriously about to compare this to the Civil Rights Movement? Because there are big differences here.
For one, it's 2011.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Planning on escalating to keeping ammo to use if escalated?
Manos, you couldn't convince a dog to sit.
That said I can't help it if a person can't read, but you can easily be manipulated if the need arised, you are not a person of great will and strength and in the end would lap it up like anyone else.
thezerofire
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You could convince people about their motives maybe, or maybe what might have happened in some fantasy world. There is no way based on the evidence that you could convince people they were violent.They would find them guilty,.
Posted this in the other thread, but it's worth reading if you haven't yet.
Dumb-ass Training and the U.C. Davis Pepper Spray Incident: Thoughts From a Former Cop
Dumb-ass Training and the U.C. Davis Pepper Spray Incident: Thoughts From a Former Cop
And if police need to remove these students, then the police can go in four officers to one protester and remove them. Lift them up and take them away. Maybe you need one or two more officers with a threatening baton to keep others from getting involved. It really can be that simple.
People dont hate the police for fighting off aggressors or arresting law breakers. They do hate police for causing painbe it by dog, fire house, Taser, or maceto those who passively resist. And thats what happened yesterday at U.C. Davis.
you can easily be manipulated if the need arised, you are not a person of great will and strength and in the end would lap it up like anyone else.
..said the fascist who can't do anything but blindly regurgitate what is mandated to him by authority.
Are we seriously about to compare this to the Civil Rights Movement? Because there are big differences here.
Um, both groups are fighting for civil rights...........so............yeah.
Haters gonna hate, emirite
Do you know what civil rights are? Doesn't sound like it.
Oh? And what about anything I've said in this thread indicates to you that I don't know what civil rights are? So it's a civil right to protest on private property without response by the authorities?
For those interested, here's the relevant contact info for the public officials/university involved:
Peppersprayer Lt. John Pike: (530) 752-3989
UC Davis Police Chief Annette M. Spicuzza: (530) 752-3113
Email: amspicuzza@ucdavis.edu
Patrol Watch Commander: (530) 752-1172
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/UCDavis
Complaint Form: http://police.ucdavis.edu/other/commendation_complaint_form.pdf/view
You can write and/or call to let them know your thoughts.
Peppersprayer Lt. John Pike: (530) 752-3989
UC Davis Police Chief Annette M. Spicuzza: (530) 752-3113
Email: amspicuzza@ucdavis.edu
Patrol Watch Commander: (530) 752-1172
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/UCDavis
Complaint Form: http://police.ucdavis.edu/other/commendation_complaint_form.pdf/view
You can write and/or call to let them know your thoughts.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Oh? And what about anything I've said in this thread indicates to you that I don't know what civil rights are? So it's a civil right to protest on private property without response by the authorities?
LOL
The Civil Rights Movement wasn't named after the way they protested. What in the world are you comparing?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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..said the fascist who can't do anything but blindly regurgitate what is mandated to him by authority.
Said the leftist who can't do anything but falsely keep calling someone a facist.
Barbacoatl
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Protestors don't deserve punishment. They deserve gunishment. - Manos & Associates, 2011
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Protestors don't deserve punishment. They deserve gunishment. - Manos & Associates, 2011
What are you implying?
Barbacoatl
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What are you implying?
I won't say anything that can be used against me in a trial where you can convince the judges of anything. That said, it was a reference to a comedy show, don't be dense.
Said the leftist who can't do anything but falsely keep calling someone a facist.
you keep saying you can convince anyone of anything, and at least 6 people have called you a fascist in the last 48 hours according to you. why can you not convince them otherwise?
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