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[whyamihere]

Alaska is one of the few states where Dems do well in rurals and GOP does well in cities. However, it also was stagnant from 12 -> 16, and there was like a 40k difference between Trump and Clinton.

If Anchorage ever becomes more Dem (which, it's not at the current time), it would be more in play.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

The blue in Alaska is obviously the parts where no one lives.

The same absolutely does not fucking apply to the blue in those southern states.



Except we are talking about voters who according to that map heavily rejected Trump.

Alaska was closer than either of those states!

That region in the South is just the "Black Belt"

This sounds badass, like all the black people there are also into martial arts.

 

[Plinko]

This whole "Nunes asked for unmasking" stuff is just amazing hypocrisy.

Fox News probably has no idea what to do now. That was basically the majority of their programming over the past few weeks.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

The blue in Alaska is obviously the parts where no one lives.

The same absolutely does not fucking apply to the blue in those southern states.



Except we are talking about voters who according to that map heavily rejected Trump.

That region in the South is just the "Black Belt"

Georgia is clearly a target for the near future but I'm not sure the performance elsewhere in the South is really indicative of anything. It's certainly not anything new

 

[whyamihere]

Alaska was closer than either of those states!

Yeah, idk, I actually think that Alaska is a fun prospect if Trump collapses and we get a candidate who can appeal more to WWC / can crack that Anchorage nut.

Though if Hillary can't, not sure who can.

That region in the South is just the "Black Belt"

Georgia is clearly a target for the near future but I'm not sure the performance elsewhere in the South is really indicative of anything. It's certainly not anything new

Yes. It's why we'll always get like 40% in Mississippi but never any more than that. Mississippi is 37.30% black, and Hillary got... 40.1%
of the vote.

 

[Oblivion]

Look at all that fucking blue in the south. we absolutely have to be making plays for the southern states ASAP. And not just Texas either. Look at both those Maps. Hypotheically, we could actually win states like South Carolina or Mississippi with the right kind of turnout.

All that blue is actually water.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Yeah, idk, I actually think that Alaska is a fun prospect if Trump collapses and we get a candidate who can appeal more to WWC / can crack that Anchorage nut.

Though if Hillary can't, not sure who can.

I was totally joking because I think it's as ridiculous as trying to win SC but I just saw it actually made a big jump between 08->12 in Dem favor which I wouldn't have really expected. Maybe if we convince a bunch of Bernie people to move there for the socialist oil UBI.

wait are you suggesting Begich 2020?

 

[kirblar]

waih's map from a few days back is real important - https://cinyc.carto.com/viz/f83928f7-f42c-4ba7-a659-4c4502f5d84b/public_map

GA/TX are the first places to attack.

 

[whyamihere]

I was totally joking because I think it's as ridiculous as trying to win SC but I just saw it actually made a big jump between 08->12 in Dem favor which I wouldn't have really expected. Maybe if we convince a bunch of Bernie people to move there for the socialist oil UBI.

you wouldn't have?

 

[Bladelaw]

Does NH stock their streams/lakes?

Yep
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/fishing/trout-stocking.html

There's a reason I called them stupid.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

you wouldn't have?

VPs don't matter though. I can't imagine Idaho voting differently because Otter was on the ticket or anything. Bush did basically the same numbers as McCain there, though Nader got 10% of the vote in 2000 lol

Spoiler

fun fact: she's an alumni of my school

 

[Suikoguy]

Yep
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/fishing/trout-stocking.html

There's a reason I called them stupid.

They what now?

...

 

[Aaron Strife]

Let's stop trying to win anything.

I'm sorry man, California is just too out of reach. We need to shore up our base in West Virginia if we ever want the presidency back.

-- PoliGAF 88

 

[Autodidact]

waih's map from a few days back is real important - https://cinyc.carto.com/viz/f83928f7-f42c-4ba7-a659-4c4502f5d84b/public_map

GA/TX are the first places to attack.

I always thought we'd have GA, AZ, and NC, which we won once, before Texas. Texas, to me at least, represents the last bastion of conservative-yet-flippable states.

 

[TestOfTide]

That region in the South is just the "Black Belt"

Georgia is clearly a target for the near future but I'm not sure the performance elsewhere in the South is really indicative of anything. It's certainly not anything new

Well, couldn't we theoretically win those southern states if we managed to maximize the black vote and really depress (not suppress, just depress) the white rural vote and maybe turn some of the white suburban vote?

It's not like West Virginia where it's 98% white.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

smh i got juniored for posting about the next secretary of the navy

 

[Teggy]

<facepalm>

NBC News @NBCNews

EXCLUSIVE: Putin tells NBC News’ Megyn Kelly that U.S. hackers may have framed Russia for election interference

 

[whyamihere]

VPs don't matter though. I can't imagine Idaho voting differently because Otter was on the ticket or anything. Bush did basically the same numbers as McCain there, though Nader got 10% of the vote in 2000 lol

Spoiler

fun fact: she's an alumni of my school

R vote from the popular vote mean in Alaska:

2004: R+23.2%
2008: R+25.7%
2012: R+17.9%
2016: R+16.8%

So the R vote did go up in 2008 even though Alaska has been getting generally more D compared to an EVEN PVI.

Was it Palin? Maybe. Maybe not. I do think she had something to do with it compared to most VPs.

 

[Teggy]

smh i got juniored for posting about the next secretary of the navy

Why do I feel like you're leaving out part of the story?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Why do I feel like you're leaving out part of the story?

i didn't lie in the post, his name just happens to be richard spencer

 

[kirblar]

I always thought we'd have GA, AZ, and NC, which we won once, before Texas. Texas, to me at least, represents the last bastion of conservative-yet-flippable states.

I think NC's bathroom bill may have hurt our progress due to it discouraging people and businesses from moving there.

 

[whyamihere]

I think NC's bathroom bill may have hurt our progress due to it discouraging people and businesses from moving there.

The election is 4 years from now. Who's to say.

 

[Autodidact]

The election is 4 years from now. Who's to say.

Not even 3.5. Please don't protract this nightmare.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Well, couldn't we theoretically win those southern states if we managed to maximize the black vote and really depress (not suppress, just depress) the white rural vote and maybe turn some of the white suburban vote?

It's not like West Virginia where it's 98% white.

I think it's unlikely, unless major cities like Jackson, Memphis, Nashville, etc start seeing the type of growth Atlanta has been seeing for a while. I really doubt that white Southerners would be willing to give up their power over black people in their states.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

<facepalm>

And people will believe that.

 

[kirblar]

The election is 4 years from now. Who's to say.

I... wasn't making a election prediction? Just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it got overtaken by the others.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

R vote from the popular vote mean in Alaska:

2004: R+23.2%
2008: R+25.7%
2012: R+17.9%
2016: R+16.8%

So the R vote did go up in 2008 even though Alaska has been getting generally more D compared to an EVEN PVI.

Was it Palin? Maybe. Maybe not. I do think she had something to do with it compared to most VPs.

so what you're telling me here is that Alaska will be purple by like 2040

hell yeah pick up those senate seats, how does Mike Gravel feel about making a bid

 

[whyamihere]

I... wasn't making a election prediction? Just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it got overtaken by the others.

You kind of were, though, at least in regards to the effects of the bathroom bill (which I do not think stemmed demographic and migrant changes to the state). It's 4 years away! Who's to say! I don't know either!

 

[kirblar]

You kind of were, though, at least in regards to the effects of the bathroom bill (which I do not think stemmed demographic and migrant changes to the state). It's 4 years away! Who's to say! I don't know either!

No, I wasn't. I was saying that progress moving forward in NC might be slower than we thought and expected it was going to happen in '08/'12/'16/etc due to it becoming a lightning rod of intolerance. Not that we shouldn't compete because we absolutely can't win in 2020!

Stop obsessing on "predictions" - I'm not making them, I'm not a damn CNN pundit! We know where our best pickup opportunities are, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be fighting other battles and looking elsewhere.

 

[TestOfTide]

I think it's unlikely, unless major cities like Jackson, Memphis, Nashville, etc start seeing the type of growth Atlanta has been seeing for a while. I really doubt that white Southerners would be willing to give up their power over black people in their states.

I'm sure the rural white south will be stubborn, but it seems like with GA-6, we are seeing that suburban white southerners aren't necessarily a monolith like the rural ones.

Like, imagine the payoff if the Democrats managed to flip the South with such a strategy.

 

[Chris R]

so what you're telling me here is that Alaska will be purple by like 2040

hell yeah pick up those senate seats, how does Mike Gravel feel about making a bid

Won't be purple with the current economy. People are leaving the state, with a D tilt. Don Young will win another term because the Dems here only know how to put up terrible candidates

 

[whyamihere]

No, I wasn't. I was saying that progress moving forward in NC might be slower than we thought and expected it was going to happen in '08/'12/'16/etc due to it becoming a lightning rod of intolerance. Not that we shouldn't compete because we absolutely can't win in 2020!

Stop obsessing on "predictions" - I'm not making them, I'm not a damn CNN pundit! We know where our best pickup opportunities are, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be fighting other battles and looking elsewhere.

I'm not obsessing over anything, and please don't reduce my points to obsessions. Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

I'm sure the rural white south will be stubborn, but it seems like with GA-6, we are seeing that suburban white southerners aren't necessarily a monolith like the rural ones.

Like, imagine the payoff if the Democrats managed to flip the South with such a strategy.

But then you encounter the catch-22: you need businesses to invest so those states will no longer be uneducated and poor, but as long as they remain uneducated and poor, they elect politicians who drive businesses away.

GA-06, and GA in general, represents one of the exceptions. You won't be seeing a blueward (new word!) pattern in TN, KY, or SC in the foreseeable future.

 

[TestOfTide]

But then you encounter the catch-22: you need businesses to invest so those states will no longer be uneducated and poor, but as long as they remain uneducated and poor, they elect politicians who drive businesses away.

Solution: Have Democrats invest in the states' politics anyway and encourage liberal and progressive business leaders to invest in the states too.

GA-06, and GA in general, represents one of the exceptions. You won't be seeing a blueward (new word!) pattern in TN, KY, or SC in the foreseeable future.

I'm not talking about KY or TN. I'm talking specifically about the states where the black belt is.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

I'm sure the rural white south will be stubborn, but it seems like with GA-6, we are seeing that suburban white southerners aren't necessarily a monolith like the rural ones.

Like, imagine the payoff if the Democrats managed to flip the South with such a strategy.

Georgia is different than other states like Mississippi, Alabama, etc because of Atlanta. We'd need to see major growth in places like Jackson, Birmingham, etc to see something comparable to GA.

TN would probably be the closest with Memphis and Nashville but even that's very unlikely.

 

[kirblar]

I'm not obsessing over anything, and please don't reduce my points to obsessions. Thanks.

"We can't know the future" is not a "point."

 

[TestOfTide]

Georgia is different than other states like Mississippi, Alabama, etc because of Atlanta. We'd need to see major growth in places like Jackson, Birmingham, etc to see something comparable to GA.

TN would probably be the closest with Memphis and Nashville but even that's very unlikely.

okay, maybe we should convince people like Elon Musk to start businesses in the southern states?

 

[whyamihere]

"We can't know the future" is not a "point."

&#128580;

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

okay, maybe we should convince people like Elon Musk to start businesses in the southern states?

I mean, Elon Musk is not our ally, but even if we assume that he is and he'll put industry where the Democratic party wants him to in order to win elections, I'm pretty sure the better investments would be in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin than states won by Republicans by 18 points.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

We need to turn Anchorage into Neo-Seattle.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

We need to turn Anchorage into Neo-Seattle.

As long as we keep our trees, go for it

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I was joking about Alaska guys other than socialist oil UBI or nostalgia for going to Blockbuster I can't imagine why anyone would want to move there.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

I was joking about Alaska guys other than socialist oil UBI or nostalgia for going to Blockbuster I can't imagine why anyone would want to move there.

Lower crime.... at first. Seems to be getting worse though

 

[TestOfTide]

I mean, Elon Musk is not our ally, but even if we assume that he is and he'll put industry where the Democratic party wants him to in order to win elections, I'm pretty sure the better investments would be in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin than states won by Republicans by 18 points.

I feel like there is greater payoff in flipping the south. If we flip the south we don't just beat the GOP. We make serious dent against white supremacy's hold on America.

 

[whyamihere]

I was joking about Alaska guys other than socialist oil UBI or nostalgia for going to Blockbuster I can't imagine why anyone would want to move there.

After the Earth's temperature rises a few degrees it should be lovely in the summer.

 

[Suikoguy]

I mean, Elon Musk is not our ally, but even if we assume that he is and he'll put industry where the Democratic party wants him to in order to win elections, I'm pretty sure the better investments would be in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin than states won by Republicans by 18 points.

Elon Musk is a Friend but not an Ally. He treats many of his employees like shit, but has many of the right ideas in mind for Policy.

Edit: I don't mind having Technocrats be part of the Democratic Party.

 

[Chris R]

Lower crime.... at first. Seems to be getting worse though

It's not bad as long as you avoid Russian Jack/Muldoon

Or the valley if you enjoy drugs

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Georgia is different than other states like Mississippi, Alabama, etc because of Atlanta. We'd need to see major growth in places like Jackson, Birmingham, etc to see something comparable to GA.

TN would probably be the closest with Memphis and Nashville but even that's very unlikely.

AL is doable without a rural flip, but in MS, we're one of the few states where most of our residents don't live in urban areas defined by the census (and they have an insanely low threshold of what counts as urban).

I think Hood has a shot at governor but I'm not sure about other offices.

Edit: and I'd love to live in Alaska. How much do y'all know about 100+ degree weather with 100% humidity for 7 months of the year? You literally never get used to it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Better idea than giving up and saying everything is fucked and no point in trying

Unwarranted optimism doesn't seem more valuable than warranted pessimism, if the end result is the same regardless.

That isn't really the same as saying give up. But lol Kentucky.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

After the Earth's temperature rises a few degrees it should be lovely in the summer.

Fall doesn't exist though but the extra sunlight though...

It's not bad as long as you avoid Russian Jack/Muldoon

Or the valley if you enjoy drugs

Dude I live in one of those areas lol.

Graffiti keeps popping up so cameras were installed