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[Yrael]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/184040/d...litics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles

Gallup finally came out with something for it.

Basically, they found that Democrats are coming around and Republicans are still dumb.



Edit: Didn't really want to make a new topic for it. It agrees with the OP study, but has more breakdowns by demographics that are interesting.

Yep, the results are not particularly surprising. Nice to see these numbers though.

 

[Speevy]

Imagine you're driving in the south and your car breaks down on some dirt, country road.

You're confronted by a sweaty man who offers to fix your car. He invites you inside for some sweat tea. He's clearly a church-going man, praying before every huge, hearty southern meal. He shows good manners and thanks the good Lord for all his blessings, though he lives in a very humble home indeed. After eating, the man takes you out on the front porch and talks about growing up in the south. He's just a country boy who used to raise chickens growing up. He makes you feel at home, like you've known him your whole life. You ask him how much you owe him for the repairs. He tells you not to worry about it. He says he would have have done it for anyone. You exchange numbers with the man and become friends. The two of you go hunting, fishing, mud-riding, and otherwise hang out as though you've been friends your whole life. One day though, you notice that he's been hanging the confederate flag on the back of his car. You say "Hey man, do you know that's a racist symbol?" He places the flag on the dirty ground and falls to his knees. "Will you marry me?"

 

[excelsiorlef]

Imagine you're driving in the south and your car breaks down on some dirt, country road.

You're confronted by a sweaty man who offers to fix your car. He invites you inside for some sweat tea. He's clearly a church-going man, praying before every huge, hearty southern meal. He shows good manners and thanks the good Lord for all his blessings, though he lives in a very humble home indeed. After eating, the man takes you out on the front porch and talks about growing up in the south. He's just a country boy who used to raise chickens growing up. He makes you feel at home, like you've known him your whole life. You ask him how much you owe him for the repairs. He tells you not to worry about it. He says he would have have done it for anyone. You exchange numbers with the man and become friends. The two of you go hunting, fishing, mud-riding, and otherwise hang out as though you've been friends your whole life. One day though, you notice that he's been hanging the confederate flag on the back of his car. You say "Hey man, do you know that's a racist symbol?" He places the flag on the dirty ground and falls to his knees. "Will you marry me?"

And that southern man was Albert Einstein


Also how asks a friend to marry them when they aren't dating. That's weird.

 

[Ikael]

We're way too focused on this shitty flag.

I'd rather we focus on ending the drug war, which hurts the black community thousands time more.

Not a fan of this flag, but this comment is on point. Politics are too much fixated with symbolism, while there's so much more tangible things to work on.

That being said, would I be a southener I think that the Texas "lone star" flag would be a far more suitable, less polemic symbol for "the South", me thinks.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

If I recall, you gave discussion earlier about being in the basis of reality, so one must assume that from a practical mindset, eradicating/dismissing the use of the confederate flag from an incredibly ingrained culture will be virtually impossible. More education is key, yet even then, we saw from the statistics that even educated individuals still showcase some regard of respect for the southern pride mantra. I won't levy complaint about nicking at the iceberg, but to move a mountain, you begin by moving small stones.

Are we discussing a selective micro group of individuals, or a macro look at the region?

They are human beings, are they not? Anger clouds judgment and drives conversation with conjecture, taking arguments to extremes with various name calling/attacks. Indeed, general hostility does not drive moderation nor bring those on the fence to your side; in fact, it arguably does the exact opposite. Sometimes it takes a step back, a deep breathe, and looking at the totality of the circumstances before giving way to human instinct. It’s far too easy to lash out, but to constructively—intelligently—critique? That is mantra which defined MLK. Mantra in which we all need to take notice too. If I lashed out at every person who unjustly attacked me, physically/emotionally, on the basis of what I represent, I would be wearing prison clothes. My soapy box two cents.

There is always room for additional discussion, especially in relation to historical precedents and historical evaluation. If you took most of these individuals, showed them the wording of the designer of the flag, do you think they would still showcase complete admiration? And yes, even evaluation of when the flag comes back with complete austerity during various events in history. Education is key here, but even what the few did in those respects, do they really dismiss the attitude of the innocent who, through no fault of their own, have an invested interest in their cultural heritage without racist connotations attached? Again, labeling the many on the cover of the few is why stereotypes can be so dangerous to constructive thought and why dismissive thoughts pervade through human interactions; directly, and indirectly.

All human beings deserve respect. There are times where even I will struggle with such a notion, as I have personally escorted a cop-killer who murdered one of our brothers in uniform, who continued to agitate those around us as we handcuffed him and moved him. “I wished I could have killed more.” These individuals strive to rip every ounce of dignity out of you, but we still recognize that if we adhere to those basic human instincts, that we are no different from him. Integrity is an ideal everyone should strive to adhere too, even in the face those who spit on you.

No, it is not. It remains relative and subjective because that is what symbolized is defined as. You cannot misconstrue what is subjective and parallel it to what is objectively analyzed scientific data.

Is this like racist lorem ipsum?

I vaguely recognise the English language in it, but when I try to actually read what's being said nothing adds up.

 

[hobblygobbly]

I'm not American but I've always seen people use the "but it's my heritage!" argument with the confederate flag.

Yes it's part of a heritage, but it's part of a bad history, a bad part of the heritage and a heritage that isn't worth celebrating. Bigots can never see that, they think because it's heritage that it's justifiable to celebrate.

Not all heritage is good or worthy of celebration.

 

[Speevy]

And that southern man was Albert Einstein


Also how asks a friend to marry them when they aren't dating. That's weird.

That's just how we roll in the south. It also ruins a twist ending when you see it coming.

 

[Fuzzy]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/184040/d...litics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles

Gallup finally came out with something for it.

Basically, they found that Democrats are coming around and Republicans are still dumb.



Edit: Didn't really want to make a new topic for it. It agrees with the OP study, but has more breakdowns by demographics that are interesting.

The more educated you are the more you realize it's racist? I'm shocked.

 

[Chmpocalypse]

Ok, well, I do not look at the world as having so many absolutes as you are describing.

Reality doesn't care that you don't.

 

[theignoramus]

Flag support for many is about expressing contempt for the feelings and sensitivities of black Americans. Make no mistake about that.

 

[Chmpocalypse]

No, I'm saying the way it was forced as tyranny. Instead of making it a decision on the people it was one on the government.
Even if it was for a positive outcome that doesn't mean everyone agreed on how it should be pushed at the time.

Human rights aren't decided by popular vote. Your view of this is disgusting.

 

[DietRob]

Majority of voters being white.... shocker.

 

[DietRob]

**snip**
These people do not deserve respect. They deserve to either educate themselves, or get made fun of. We're well past the time of acting nice to racist scumbags.

Ami with the truth bomb... thirded, fourthed, whatever. Perfect post.