You guys trying to spin this article into a "journalists are mad at Nintendo for cutting them out of the loop" thing are doing just as much narrative fabrication as the article itself. This article isn't negative about it at all.
What if you compare Nintendo Direct to a bi-monthly Spaceworld?
What? I don't get the impression that anything Nintendo announced was pending development lest they reach a crowd funded investment goal.
I don't see what's wrong with "in-the-works" announcements. The movie industry does it as soon as hands are shook and papers are signed.
I don't think it's a negative article, I just think it feels lazy as hell. Topical thing plus other topical thing are kind of similar - here are some Twitter posts from developers who sort of agree with me.
Wait so
Is every year's COD kickstarted by the previous year's COD?
Quoting for a new page. Shocking bringing the Heat to Kobun.
"So what are you taking me in for, Games Journalism? Graphics aren't good enough, no online announcements?"
"You know what you did, Nintendo. Announcing games too early! You're going away for a long time."
"Heh heh, poor Nintendo. You know, we had a lot of fun tonight. But, there's nothing funny about...vapor ware. Its the third most common cause of stalling. So please, take care of your video game console and get it checked. I'm Chris Kohler, good night!"
"..."
Nah man. The press got ahold of Wii U successor plans. Nintendo will be doing a kickstarter from January 1, 2015 onwards. At 100 million, specs will be marginally better than PS4. 250 mill, decent leap from PS4. 1 Billion, Match top of the line PC.What? I don't get the impression that anything Nintendo announced was pending development lest they reach a crowd funded investment goal.
I don't see what's wrong with "in-the-works" announcements. The movie industry does it as soon as hands are shook and papers are signed.
Nintendo has been doing this longer than the game devs have on Kickstarter. Even if it didn't, who cares? Being more close and transparent isn't a bad thing.
That is only the illusion of close contact that I'm talking about. The other talking points: big promises and "buy into my console for the future", are how new consoles have been marketed for generations. Not just yesterday.
Fuck you if you announce games. Fuck you if you don't announce games.
Smh guys. Smh.
Not just E3 is diminishing in importance. The PRESS is diminishing in importance, and the entire point of E3 was to communicate with the press and game retailers. Weve already seen retail starting to take a backseat to downloadable titles. Its no surprise that its marginalizing the press as well.
It used to be that the press was the most efficient way to get the word out about your products quickly and in a controlled fashion. But when a company can go direct to the customer through the very console they own and communicate that way, what is the point of the press? A great many of the so-called gaming press just regurgitate what the company/publisher gives them anyway. A scant few provide real professional-level analysis to go with it. There are maybe a handful of real journalists in gaming who can go digging for a story that we dont know about. But the fact is, these are companies selling a consumer product, and largely, the role of the press is mostly a promotional vehicle. One that arguably isnt needed any longer.
But this is something we already knew. We have been upset for months. Why are people so freshly upset about this after the conference? No big game was going to be announced for three weeks from now. This was never going to change that.The problem is that with a game console, consumers can choose to invest later. They can wait to buy a Wii U when those future games actually come out. Even after this Nintendo Direct, people have almost no reason to buy a Wii U in January or February.
I didn't say it wasn't lazy. But people seem to be lumping it in with the super hostile Edge article as some part of an ongoing Journalists vs Nintendo Direct thing.
That and the headline suggests a definite link between the two topical things, perhaps based on a statement someone at Nintendo made or some incontrovertible evidence. After reading the article I can only conclude that that link does not exist in reality.I don't think it's a negative article, I just think it feels lazy as hell. Topical thing plus other topical thing are kind of similar - here are some Twitter posts from developers who sort of agree with me.
Brilliant comment from "SuperRob" on that article.
You guys trying to spin this article into a "journalists are mad at Nintendo for cutting them out of the loop" thing are doing just as much narrative fabrication as the article itself. This article isn't negative about it at all.
Polygon said:Which brings me to my Kickstarter comparison. With yesterday's Nintendo Direct, Nintendo tapped into what makes Kickstarters so seductive: big promises, creative transparency and the illusion of direct contact with the consumer.
I didn't say it wasn't lazy. But people seem to be lumping it in with the super hostile Edge article as some part of an ongoing Journalists vs Nintendo Direct thing.
What? I don't get the impression that anything Nintendo announced was pending development lest they reach a crowd funded investment goal.
I don't see what's wrong with "in-the-works" announcements. The movie industry does it as soon as hands are shook and papers are signed.
So Nintendo is wisely getting in front of possible consumers, promising that an investment now will get you what you want in the future. It's a Kickstarter update. We need you interested. We need to hit our fiscal goal. Invest now in what we'll give you later.
I wonder what the author will say when Orbis and Durango emerge from what are surely going to be CG-festooned launch parties that advertise proofs of concept, games several years off etc.
Systems fans often do this. Its annoying.
That's why the comparison is so silly to me.
He says:
Those games will continue to exist whether you choose to invest in them now or later. They won't suddenly 'vaporize' if they fail to meet their sales expectations at the end of the fiscal year.
So, no, it's not a Kickstarter really.
Nintendo has never been the darling of these glorified blogs.
Nintendo doesn't throw lavish pool parties for game bloggers to preview games and gift them with free xboxes and other bribes (oops, SWAG).
The Wii was a thorn in many of these blog sites and Nintendo direct is even worse Because it relegates them to regurgitating what the average gamer has already been informed of directly by Nintendo.
They know that if M$ and SONY take up this format, many of the bloggers will end up as nothing but your average commenter on NEOGAF and nothing more.
Nintendo has never been the darling of these glorified blogs.
Nintendo doesn't throw lavish pool parties for game bloggers to preview games and gift them with free xboxes and other bribes (oops, SWAG).
The Wii was a thorn in many of these blog sites and Nintendo direct is even worse Because it relegates them to regurgitating what the average gamer has already been informed of directly by Nintendo.
They know that if M$ and SONY take up this format, many of the bloggers will end up as nothing but your average commenter on NEOGAF and nothing more.
LOL @ "I'm not sure you guys write"
the press is mostly a promotional vehicle. One that arguably isn’t needed any longer.
Brilliant comment from "SuperRob" on that article.
His point being game companies no longer need gaming media, which is completely at odds with how closely game companies monitor metacritic, which itself measures the response of gaming media. The opposite of 'brilliant', imo.
His point being game companies no longer need gaming media, which is completely at odds with how closely game companies monitor metacritic, which itself measures the response of gaming media. The opposite of 'brilliant', imo.
His point being game companies no longer need gaming media, which is completely at odds with how closely game companies monitor metacritic, which itself measures the response of gaming media. The opposite of 'brilliant', imo.
His point being game companies no longer need gaming media, which is completely at odds with how closely game companies monitor metacritic, which itself measures the response of gaming media. The opposite of 'brilliant', imo.
His point being game companies no longer need gaming media, which is completely at odds with how closely game companies monitor metacritic, which itself measures the response of gaming media. The opposite of 'brilliant', imo.
it would had been better perhaps if they touched on how SMT x FE came into being. And what this means for smaller developer studios like Atlus. Mr. Iwata said in the Nintendo Direct they are doing the game in that fashion BECAUSE development costs are so high, and it makes more sense to collaborate on HD games than trying to "go it alone" and a key phrase he said was "there will be more such announcements in the future." I can kinda view that as a company to company kickstarter. "Hey you help bring games to us, and we'll help you with HD development." Heck someone should start a thread about those possibilities.
But just general crowdsourcing? No.
It would be more accurate to say that some game companies still have a mutually beneficial relationship with the games media (a holdover from print, for the most part), but Nintendo and a few others who take direct measures to interact with customers don't really need to dilute that communication through a largely unprofessional press. I expect this to happen more and more over this generation.
If the only thing of interest in the major sites is their access to raw information, and the raw information is presented in a better way from the source, why go elsewhere? Maybe people would stay with these sites if they had anything of value to say about events like Nintendo Direct, but they don't. It's the same with Valve and Blizzard. They engage directly with their customers, and detailed analysis for those that want it comes from Valve/Blizz-centric communities and forums rather than the press, so why would their customers want to read Polygon/Kotaku/IGN's ill-informed conjecture about the next WoW expansion or DOTA news?
It's even more ridiculous when you have sites like rockpapershotgun, which should be at a disadvantage because most PC devs have switched to direct-to-customer relationships and marketing, but it has no problem putting out great articles consistently, and gives at least entertaining and informative coverage of even standard press releases.
I wonder what the author will say when Orbis and Durango emerge from what are surely going to be CG-festooned launch parties that advertise proofs of concept, games several years off etc.
aka "What Polygon has learned from Kotaku"
http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/24/3908612/what-nintendo-has-learned-from-kickstarter
Such a dumb article. It's a completely useless comparision I'd expect to see from some dumb naive fanboy buried in a random GAF thread.. but here it is on the front page of a respected website!
Embarassing.
Seriously, is there some bizarro version of this article where the writer is worrying about NDs or having a breakdown or something that you all are reading?