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Red Ash The Kalkanon Incident (PS4/XB1) development to proceed with Fuze Etertainme
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Compsiox
Banned
How to save money. They're gonna pull a mighty number 9 again.
Mega Man Legends, 1997.
Not Mega Man Legends, 18 years later.
Bloodstained and Shenmue 3 didn't even have a pre-alpha, yooka-laylee is the only big time KS that I can recall that had a beta because their original goal was to fully fund the game by themselves before kickstarter was involved.
The Wii U is already dead and buried. If this came to the Wii U, people would have to revive their Wii U's to give the game a spin.
But some people in this thread = he cant keep getting away with it.gif
DangerMouse
Member
Eh, Bloodstained (which looks awesome!) was sold as 100% Igavania without Konami and could have easily been even moreso extremely similar than it already was. According to their Q&A's I remember reading that Bloodstained originally wanted their previous Igavania artist (which would have been cool!) but they were busy on other projects at the time. If they had then it would have even looked even more exactly just like the previous games.
Yes, that is the issue.
BassForever
Member
They don't NEED to show anything, all you need is a good pitch video and concept to get people on board see double fine adventure Kickstarter. Of course having a vertial slice alpha certainly helped Yooka Laylee, but the ks probably would have been just as successful had it been just a few concept drawings and the same good pitch video.
Red Ash's pre-alpha did the job of showing people on the fence that yes this will play like mega man legends 1 and 2 in case you were afraid it wasn't going to play like them. Clearly they'd have been better off showing some better concept art or game screen mock ups as reactions like yours show that showing the general gamer pre-alpha footage taints their views of a game meant to be worked on for 2 years.
At least they're not starting off with people thinking "I want the final product to look like this".
NoFaceNico
Member
If this Fuze deal is just a /b/ board stunt, then it will be the greatest trolling operation in history.
Shenmue is another weird one that I dont know enough about to comment on, but as stated earlier, bloodstained was very open about it already having a publisher on top of a stack of gorgeous artwork.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
This comparison is almost worse than that "diminishing returns" screenshot or the Uncharted 3 Chloe comparison. One of these examples had locked funding from the start and a prototype that had been worked on for months. The other is a playable scrap of development put together in very little time during the closing days a Kickstarter.To go a bit further. A kickstarter by professional developers asking for next to a million dollars needs to have a professional kickstarter with working prototypes and extensive concept art. Something like that was excusable for maybe a kickstarter with half the budget.
Here is a more accurate representation of the problem.
Yooka Laylee Kickstarter Day 1 asking for $270,000
Red Ash Day 25 asking for $800,000
Yookalaylee really did a number on skewing the average joe's perception of how much game development costs and how much time it takes to make. You think YL had that gameplay made for free?
DangerMouse
Member
I actually forgot about that but I think it's still valid since Capcom has definitely clamped down on what they're making, plus Street Fighter V taking until 2018 would be pretty crazy, even moreso without the port of IV.
I haven't exactly been following this kickstarter too much, but their recent update is a little...ehhhhhh.
This is kind of...really poorly run. Like, "give us money. We'll do things with it. We can't really tell you what those things are for though." I mean it's all a bit of a moot point since I think it's unlikely the kickstarter is getting funded anyway, but it just feels really, really odd to have a kickstarter that literally has no information on it.
This is kind of...really poorly run. Like, "give us money. We'll do things with it. We can't really tell you what those things are for though." I mean it's all a bit of a moot point since I think it's unlikely the kickstarter is getting funded anyway, but it just feels really, really odd to have a kickstarter that literally has no information on it.
Alex_Mexico
Member
I don't get people complaining, especially if you were a backer. This is good news. This game wasn't going to get backed.
I wished they could lower the minimum so they could get at least some money from this KS for additional content because it doesn't look like they'll get any money from the campaign.
I wished they could lower the minimum so they could get at least some money from this KS for additional content because it doesn't look like they'll get any money from the campaign.
I'm beyond complaining at this point. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy this glorious ride on this train that's completely off the tracks. I can't even be disappointed anymore, this is all just too hilarious.
twothunder
Member
This is/was quite a ride. What a joke this kickstarter is..
Glad I never backed Inafune's projects.
Glad I never backed Inafune's projects.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
What planet am I on right now.
Mega Man Legends, 1997.
Not Mega Man Legends, 18 years later.
Are you actually comparing a AAA finished title from 1997, to a thoughtlessly put together scrap of development? Or are you arguing that because it's 20 years later, technology should produce better looking results no matter how little time is spent on it?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Damn Kev, going all in.
reminder that this is what early Legends 3 looked like
Yes that has been posted many times, the visuals aren't really the point here.
Hey now, don't be rude to the PSP. The PSP plays Mega Man Legends.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173436459&postcount=201
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173436846&postcount=212
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173437974&postcount=232
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173438001&postcount=234
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173439423&postcount=251
obviously some people think so
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Gonna listen to my gut more often I guess. I figured I was just as likely to be wrong 
Looking at the posts about this company makes me no less confident this wasn't just worked out out of desperation. Unless maybe he had these people on lock, and he knew it would take $800,000 to not have to settle for them.
Looking at the posts about this company makes me no less confident this wasn't just worked out out of desperation. Unless maybe he had these people on lock, and he knew it would take $800,000 to not have to settle for them.
Alex_Mexico
Member
This is the stupidest, most unfair comparison I've seen today.
Mega Man Legends, 1997.
Not Mega Man Legends, 18 years later.
MML was a finished game. That Red Ash bit is from a pre-Alpha prototype put together in two weeks. This isn't apple and oranges. You're comparing apples to orange seeds here.
To go a bit further. A kickstarter by professional developers asking for next to a million dollars needs to have a professional kickstarter with working prototypes and extensive concept art. Something like that was excusable for maybe a kickstarter with half the budget.
Here is a more accurate representation of the problem.
Yooka Laylee Kickstarter Day 1 asking for $270,000
Red Ash Day 25 asking for $800,000
lols seriously, so fucking shady with everything happened since Inafune's return
showing off that prototype did more harm than good.
Spieler Eins
Member
Good, like it should have been from the beginning. This just seemed like Inafune being up his own ass after the MN9 kickstarter and getting greedy, instead of actually still needing kickstarter.
Shouldn't have released that. I'm sorry, because the animation looks fucking disgusting that it did nothing but harm.
MichaelFassbender
Member
ShockingAlberto
Member
While I think it's unfair to compare a finished game and a prototype (or even Yooka Laylee's prototype to Red Ash's), I think it does show how badly the kickstarter was managed.
That prototype should have been there at day one. It should have been improved as they were working on it through the campaign. As a hail mary pass at the end of the campaign, it is a bad look.
That prototype should have been there at day one. It should have been improved as they were working on it through the campaign. As a hail mary pass at the end of the campaign, it is a bad look.
Agreed. It's funny seeing comments like these in GAF of all places ....
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Whether releasing that "prototype" or not isn't being debated. What is being debated is the moronic comparison being made between a pre-alpha prototype made in a week or less versus a prototype made over the course of three months with a team with financial backing, or a fully finished game from 1997. Or am I being trolled? I hope the latter.
This thread isn't as nuanced as the other one, but people are upset that the prototype is clearly thrown together in a few days as a hail mary. It's a thinly veiled attempt at a last minute shot in the arm. If they were going to show anything, they should have showed something more than a base Unity 3D environment with mostly MN9 assets.
But why am I even arguing? People will defend this regardless of all the hilarity that has happened over the past few weeks.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I don't think anyone is comparing them on purely equivalent grounds, like "here's alpha footage from both!" The point in my mind is how poorly done the messaging is for this game. The Red Ash "prototype" is such an obvious desperation move, and it really shows it.
Ayup.
Piston Hyundai
Member
easy there, you're going to (further) upset peakpointmatrix
Ricerocket
Member
People are commenting on what they got and what was given was turd. I tried that unity demo and right off the controls were already strange and it felt like there was no effort in it coming from a known dev(?). You give people shit, they will smell it and respond accordingly.
Father_Brain
Banned
I don't have anything much to add, but yeah, this is shady as fuck.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
What
NoFaceNico
Member
Wow, what a great argument. Rather then discuss how this veteran game designer "has no fucking idea" how to pitch a game on Kickstarter, let's attack the audience.
Wow. Not a company I would want to be associated with. >_>