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[SonnyBoy]

You haven't responded to any of my posts directed at you. You should just stop.

I realize that your reading comprehension is poor. But to my count, I've quoted and therefore replied to you exactly 5 times on the previous page, this being the 6th time overall.

I happen to find it very amusing that a resident American Indian doesn't even agree with you. But yet, you must continue to be offended and tell him why his feelings are invalid. LMAO

 

[Village]

You are washington d.c , change it to National football team or something/

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I realize that your reading comprehension is poor. But to my count, I've quoted and therefore replied to you exactly 5 times on the previous page, this being the 6th time overall.

I happen to find it very amusing that a resident American Indian doesn't even agree with you. But yet, you must continue to be offended.

So I take it you support using negro because uncf exists and interracial marriage laws shouldn't exist because some minorities don't support them. You're trying to use race as a trump card and you're looking foolish.


Like I said before this isn't an either or proposition between protesting for proper education and healthcare on reservations or not having racist professional sports teams.

 

[Chuckie]

Well yeah, I'm sure it was fine to call Native Americans "red skins" back then. But today? Not so much.

But that was not what the article describes. It states that redskins was a term the Native Americans used for themselves (or at least a direct translation) and that some team owner named the team Boston Redskins to honour a Native American coach.

Now this doesn't mean the 'debate' is suddenly over. If it is considered offensive now there is reason to discuss changing it. But it is hard to uphold that is was meant as a derogatory term if it was the Native Americans who used the term to descrive themselves (and whiteskins for new Americans)

 

[daycru]

You are washington d.c , change it to National football team or something/

Catchy.

 

[Village]

Catchy.

Give em red white and blue jerseys, too.

But that was not what the article describes. It states that redskins was a term the Native Americans used for themselves (or at least a direct translation) and that some team owner named the team Boston Redskins to honour a Native American coach.

Now this doesn't mean the 'debate' is suddenly over. If it is considered offensive now there is reason to discuss changing it. But it is hard to uphold that is was meant as a derogatory term if it was the Native Americans who used the term to descrive themselves (and whiteskins for new Americans)

Other black people have called variations of the word Nergo before, that doesn't make it ok to name a team after it.

 

[richiek]

The name? Fair enough I think it should be changed. Its clearly a slur.

But are People are really offended by the indian chief logo?

Im Irish, so this is offensive and must be changed at once!!

Spoiler

sarcasm

Fuck off with this PC garbage.

The difference is that team names like Fighting Irish, Celtics, Vikings were chosen due to the large ethnic populations of the cities they're were representing (in this case Irish and Scandanvian). Native American team names were done without the consultation of the indigenous population.

 

[Devolution]

Give em red white and blue jerseys, too.

Texans/Cowboys/Patriots already stole that schtick.

 

[Matugi]

But that was not what the article describes. It states that redskins was a term the Native Americans used for themselves (or at least a direct translation) and that some team owner named the team Boston Redskins to honour a Native American coach.

Now this doesn't mean the 'debate' is suddenly over. If it is considered offensive now there is reason to discuss changing it. But it is hard to uphold that is was meant as a derogatory term if it was the Native Americans who used the term to descrive themselves (and whiteskins for new Americans)

They were originally the Boston Braves so by correlation via the article they changed the name to hold the coach in higher esteem.

 

[Village]

Texans/Cowboys/Patriots already stole that schtick.

Hmm.... give them jerseys with the most 'merican thing you can think of on it.

 

[jchap]

Texans/Cowboys/Patriots already stole that schtick.

Cowboys have no red

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Hmm.... give them jerseys with the most 'merican thing you can think of on it.

The Washington Broken Treaties

 

[Matugi]

Just read that they changed the name not only to honor the previously mentioned coach but to pair with the Red Sox as well.

 

[Devolution]

Cowboys have no red

No shit but they were "America's Team."

 

[SonnyBoy]

So I take it you support using negro because uncf exists and interracial marriage laws shouldn't exist because some minorities don't support them. You're trying to use race as a trump card and you're looking foolish.


Like I said before this isn't an either or proposition between protesting for proper education and healthcare on reservations or not having racist professional sports teams.

I'll make my stance real easy for you:

- I don't give a damn about you feeling offended.

- I'm indifferent about the name being changed.

- I care about those who truly have a reason to be offended and their opinions. I want to hear more from them, and what truly concerns them. Like the post made by Butane123 who is Chickasaw.

- The weight of words from a Chickasaw person holds more weight than yours. Sorry bruh. Even if he vehemently disagreed with my stance. By reading his post, I became more informed about things that truly matter to him. And if you and other people actually care about these people, you'd fight for the things that truly matter to THEM. The actual offended. This is more about you than it is about them.

 

[The Lamonster]

Just change it to Pigskins. Easy.


but I guess "this is football"

 

[mephixto]

Good. People need to stop being so damn sensitive.

Is this a new trend?, never seen people so sensitive about almost everything. If I'm oversensitive I'm part of the cool people group?

I'm happy for people fighting for his rights, but sometimes we taking it to the extreme.

 

[Village]

The Washington Broken Treaties

The washington They have weapons of mass destructions's

 

[Future PhaZe]

There's no evidence of the term redskins holding any derogatory connotation, however pairing that with the Indian logo is probably politically incorrect, though hardly racist.

Again an apt comparison is the team being called the whiteskins and the logo being the same as the Patriots,

As a skins fan I'd settle for changing the imagery that is paired with the Skins (Hogs logo? football?) but I don't see an argument for changing the name itself.

 

[Sanjuro]

Just read that they changed the name not only to honor the previously mentioned coach but to pair with the Red Sox as well.

This is true.

There's no evidence of the term redskins holding any derogatory connotation, however pairing that with the Indian logo is probably politically incorrect, though hardly racist.

Again an apt comparison is the team being called the whiteskins and the logo being the same as the Patriots,

As a skins fan I'd settle for changing the imagery that is paired with the Skins (Hogs logo? football?) but I don't see an argument for changing the name itself.

Out of all our logos, that was my favorite one. Fucking white people.

 

[SonnyBoy]

never seen people so sensitive about almost everything.

And when those who are the target of the word say that they aren't offended by it, the sensitive tell them why they should be. LOL

 

[GungHo]

Hmm.... give them jerseys with the most 'merican thing you can think of on it.

Washington Waterboarders

 

[User 100115]

I honestly don't have any sort of offense to the name. Some people are fine with it, and some people are offended.

What I find most amusing is this thread, and how people are so vehemently defending a sports organization with the 'suck it up, babies' defense.

Personally, I think they should change the name. Because at this point, it's less about who's offended and more about how they are waving the fact that they won't change it like a flag, proudly showing off how many fucks they don't give about racial issues.

 

[Butane123]

Its not an either or proposition. It shouldn't be so hard for a team to stop using redskins and chief wahoo to promote their teams

I never said it was an either or proposition, I'm just saying that there are issues that I feel should require more urgency within the Chickasaw. I used language extinction as an example. There are only a handful of people who can fluently speak the Chickasaw language, and most are older. Within a generation or two, the language might be lost.

Yeah, they could focus on both, but the name/mascot issue does not even have a consensus between members of the tribe. Like you see in the articles, some care, and some do not. On the other hand, we would lose a major cultural identity if the language is lost. That would be horrible.

As for tribes using red in their names, that's like citing the uncf so you can call people 'negro'.

I'll be honest, I have no idea how to respond to this.

 

[SonnyBoy]

Yeah, they could focus on both, but the name/mascot issue does not even have a consensus between members of the tribe. Like you see in the articles, some care, and some do not. On the other hand, we would lose a major cultural identity if the language is lost. That would be horrible.

Sadly, I don't think most people wanting this change truly care about the things that are dear to you and your people. To me, it's just something to wipe a little bit of self-imposed guilt off of someones conscious.

 

[Shadow Hog]

I recall hearing on local radio in the DC area that somebody had proposed "Redtails" as a replacement. Not so far removed from the original name (you could keep the song, for instance), but AFAIK isn't racist. Unless you're a gorilla with a red behind or something.

You are washington d.c , change it to National football team or something/

"Washington Nationals" is already taken.

 

[Matugi]

I recall hearing on local radio in the DC area that somebody had proposed "Redtails" as a replacement. Not so far removed from the original name (you could keep the song, for instance), but AFAIK isn't racist. Unless you're a gorilla with a red behind or something.

"Washington Nationals" is already taken.

Redtails refers to the Tuskegee Airmen, so it could still carry "racial connotations" but I'm not advocating for the Redskins to change their name in the first place so...

 

[Jackben]

Not at all... The perspective of someone who actually has a right to be offended. Not some keyboard jockey who's picked his offense of the week to get butt-hurt over.

I'll make my stance real easy for you:

- I don't give a damn about you feeling offended.

- I'm indifferent about the name being changed.

- I care about those who truly have a reason to be offended and their opinions.
- The weight of words from a Chickasaw person holds more weight than yours. Sorry bruh.

And when those who are the target of the word say that they aren't offended by it, the sensitive tell them why they should be. LOL

people wanting this change don't care, it's just something to wipe a little bit of self-imposed guilt off of someones conscious.

It's hard to take your stance seriously when you have such a shitty dismissive and insulting posting style.

Are the veiled insults and sneering really necessary for you to make a point?

 

[vas_a_morir]

The name? Fair enough I think it should be changed. Its clearly a slur.

But are People are really offended by the indian chief logo?

Im Irish, so this is offensive and must be changed at once!!

Spoiler

sarcasm

Fuck off with this PC garbage.

Eh, you know it's impossible to offend white people. We can act like we are offended, but we simply cannot be offended. We are so difficult to offend that it may be offensive to other groups.

Like, take that logo. Chief Wahoo is offensive because his skin is depicted as bright red (among about 10 other things offensive about it), which is not how native Americans actually appear. Meanwhile, this logo has an Irishman with the whitest white skin imaginable, which isn't how white people really look. But, if I told you it offended me, it would be a total lie.

 

[Dude Abides]

I never said it was an either or proposition, I'm just saying that there are issues that I feel should require more urgency within the Chickasaw. I used language extinction as an example. There are only a handful of people who can fluently speak the Chickasaw language, and most are older. Within a generation or two, the language might be lost.

Yeah, they could focus on both, but the name/mascot issue does not even have a consensus between members of the tribe. Like you see in the articles, some care, and some do not. On the other hand, we would lose a major cultural identity if the language is lost. That would be horrible.


I'll be honest, I have no idea how to respond to this.

You might be interested in a This American Life episode a couple weeks ago about a small tribe near Fresno that is disqualifying people left and right to increase the share of casino receipts for those that remain. They even disqualified one of the last native speakers. Apparently this is fairly rampant. Here is a link.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/491/transcript

Sadly, I don't think most people wanting this change truly care about the things that are dear to you and your people. To me, it's just something to wipe a little bit of self-imposed guilt off of someones conscious.

Conscience.

 

[XxHANNERxX]

No

Yes.

 

[cashman]

No shit but they were "America's Team."

were?

 

[Butane123]

You might be interested in a This American Life episode a couple weeks ago about a small tribe near Fresno that is disqualifying people left and right to increase the share of casino receipts for those that remain. They even disqualified one of the last native speakers. Apparently this is fairly rampant. Here is a link.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/491/transcript

Yeah, I've heard about that from other smaller tribes as well. There was one up near where my parents live that were doing shady tribal acceptance just to get a casino running on land they had no right to do so.

Thanks, I'll give it a read later.

 

[Gilby]

I've never actually heard "redskin" used as a slur, and there's a TON of racism against natives where I live (Thunder Bay). Usually "bogan" is considered the ultimate racial slur around here.

 

[Korey]

I've never actually heard "redskin" used as a slur, and there's a TON of racism against natives where I live (Thunder Bay). Usually "bogan" is considered the ultimate racial slur around here.

Even if it's not used at a slur (anymore), isn't it like, objectifying/othering an entire ethnicity of people?

 

[gutter_trash]

LOL at white guys going reverse racism with Patriots, Fighting Iriish and Celtics LOL

pick up a history book on Westward Expansion, it ain'T pretty

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I never said it was an either or proposition, I'm just saying that there are issues that I feel should require more urgency within the Chickasaw. I used language extinction as an example. There are only a handful of people who can fluently speak the Chickasaw language, and most are older. Within a generation or two, the language might be lost.

Yeah, they could focus on both, but the name/mascot issue does not even have a consensus between members of the tribe. Like you see in the articles, some care, and some do not. On the other hand, we would lose a major cultural identity if the language is lost. That would be horrible.


I'll be honest, I have no idea how to respond to this.

Losing the language would be horrible, I agree. There are also cases of extreme poverty and no education structure. The extinction of the culture and survival of the people is of the utmost importance.

But arguing on a message board that the name and mascot at the very least is insensitive to a people doesn't take away from those fighting to maintain their culture.

 

[Professor Beef]

I honestly don't have any sort of offense to the name. Some people are fine with it, and some people are offended.

What I find most amusing is this thread, and how people are so vehemently defending a sports organization with the 'suck it up, babies' defense.

Personally, I think they should change the name. Because at this point, it's less about who's offended and more about how they are waving the fact that they won't change it like a flag, proudly showing off how many fucks they don't give about racial issues.

Agreed.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I'll make my stance real easy for you:

- I don't give a damn about you feeling offended.

- I'm indifferent about the name being changed.

- I care about those who truly have a reason to be offended and their opinions. I want to hear more from them, and what truly concerns them. Like the post made by Butane123 who is Chickasaw.

- The weight of words from a Chickasaw person holds more weight than yours. Sorry bruh. Even if he vehemently disagreed with my stance. By reading his post, I became more informed about things that truly matter to him. And if you and other people actually care about these people, you'd fight for the things that truly matter to THEM. The actual offended. This is more about you than it is about them.

So again you avoid my post while being condescending and using someone else's race as authority.

Of course there are bigger issues facing native Americans. There bigger issues for hispanics than terminology in the immigration debate, there's no need to completely abandon one cause in favor of the 'real' issues. I'm aware of both.

 

[Maxim726X]

How do people make it through a day anymore?

Does the weather offend you too?

 

[rohlfinator]

And that's the issue at hand, how many of the offended are truly offended.

Again, I'd much rather focus on those who are truly offended. And not the usual suspects who like to be offended for the sake of being so.

Not at all... The perspective of someone who actually has a right to be offended. Not some keyboard jockey who's picked his offense of the week to get butt-hurt over.

But yet, you must continue to be offended and tell him why his feelings are invalid. LMAO

- I don't give a damn about you feeling offended.

...

- I do not believe those who offend have the right to tell the offended how to feel.

?

 

[Byakuya769]

He'll never change the name, and I'll never cheer for them or visit that stadium.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Redtails refers to the Tuskegee Airmen, so it could still carry "racial connotations" but I'm not advocating for the Redskins to change their name in the first place so...

Red tails refers to the planes. So unless the mascot is some horrible stereotype, it simply being a WW2 style fighter would be really cool IMO.

 

[jchap]

Red tails refers to the planes. So unless the mascot is some horrible stereotype, it simply being a WW2 style fighter would be really cool IMO.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

LOL I meant 'WW2 style fighter plane'

 

[Byakuya769]

Sadly, I don't think most people wanting this change truly care about the things that are dear to you and your people. To me, it's just something to wipe a little bit of self-imposed guilt off of someones conscious.

Frankly, I think you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and you enjoy projecting views on others.

 

[Agent Ironside]

This offending people is actually a thing?

 

[ElectricBlue187]

He'll never change the name, and I'll never cheer for them or visit that stadium.

You got urself a deal.

 

[theignoramus]

Frankly, I think you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and you enjoy projecting views on others.

and being a condescending prick too

 

[gutter_trash]

the stadium isn't even in the city so bleh (same goes for Giants and boo Jets)