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[Mediking]

Why do I suddenly feel like a 2nd rate citizen owning an OG PS4?

Don't let the pressure of "omg!!! A new upgrade!!! Lemme buy it!!!" get to you.

 

[Fredrik]

Gotta love how all of a sudden having to deal with 3 or more presets/options is hip and cool haha

It's better than nothing.
But I don't get why they won't just include the graphics settings menu from the PC version though. If ~45fps 1080p isn't good enough for me then why not let me drop the quality on AA, textures,shadows or something like that to get solid 60fps?

 

[RiccochetJ]

Man, gaming is getting complicated.

I'm old :-(

Don't ever look at the settings menu from a Croteam game on PC then.

 

[Nirolak]

i don't see how Sony can mandate that kind of thing when they are still just selling one title across PS4 ecosystems. Doesn't it mean more optimization and work for the same amount of payoff?

Seems far more complicated than it needs to be

Sony will just let developers do what they want.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

Awesome. 1080 with bells and whistles north of 30 FPS sounds good enough for me.

 

[vpance]

I want another option:
-Bells (no whistles) and 4K-ish

 

[BRSxIgnition]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

 

[LordBaztion]

I really hope this becomes standar

 

[ALLseeingEYE]

This is how every game needs to manage it now.

Agreed.

I genuinely wonder how much dev time something like that takes. If this is viable for every team out there, then I'd love to see this type of stuff become standard.

Adding graphical options to a game, if the game doesn't already support them, is a huge amount of work. But for a game like Tomb Raider that already has these built into their PC version, it's probably far less of a problem. This could be especially true, as devs start to plan for the types of features.

I love this type of mentality when moving towards 4K support, it's great for gamers.

 

[Mogwai]

If the PS4 Pro can't handle the game at a steady 1080p60 then the 4K setting must be miserable...

 

[Slaythe]

Not even reaching 60fps made me laugh. Worthless notebook CPU holding everything down.

Not many games, that are rendered in full HD or higher, that use modern processing technology, and heavy set pieces, can render 60 FPS with no drops ever.

 

[EekumBokum]

If this is what Pro support means then I'm all in, especially if FFXV has modes.

 

[jackdoe]

Sony will just let developers do what they want.

The most they'll do is "encourage" devs to put in the extra legwork through marketing deals. The titles they showed off have Sony marketing deals (and I'm assuming Andromeda is going to as well).

 

[iTehDroiD]

If the PS4 Pro can't handle the game at a steady 1080p60 then the 4K setting must be miserable...

ROTTR seems to be CPU bound. Go watch some DF vids. The good old jaguar might be the bottleneck here

 

[fastballspecial]

Now this is the kind of stuff that will sway me.

 

[Slaythe]

If the PS4 Pro can't handle the game at a steady 1080p60 then the 4K setting must be miserable...

Well no since the game maxed out is locked at 30 FPS.

The new techniques they use to achieve 4K are mostly GPU dependent.

The CPU is garbage and it's what makes it harder to achieve a higher framerate consistently.

 

[Hikami]

Will be salty if only the Pro gets these kinds of options.

Nioh already gives you a choice between 1080p 30fps or 720p 60fps, for example. On the base PS4.

 

[Chamber]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

Nah, I want my 1080p/30fps full on graphics whore settings.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

This game should hold a steady 60fps considering it was made to run on last gen 360 consoles. Although the higher quality on 30fps is interesting.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Sounds great...pretty much guarantees a purchase for me...

Please SFV do the same

 

[jobboy]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

agree. well said

 

[nowheretorun]

First reply nails it. Couldn't agree more, this is a wonderful approach.

Yeah as long as the 'north of 45 frames' is smooth and locked cos who the fuck wants a fluctuating frame rate between 45-60?

 

[Boke1879]

Devs will most likely do what they wish to do.

But I think Devs should try and push for at least 2 settings. A Pro mode with all the bells and whistles locked at 30fps. And a second setting that prioritizes framerate.

 

[Inuhanyou]

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You don't get 60fps just by keeping the res 1080p. Rise even at 1080p is still not going to be 60fps locked. The FPS gain is not double

This game should hold a steady 60fps considering it was made to run on last gen 360 consoles. Although the higher quality on 30fps is interesting.

You need a better CPU for that.

 

[iSnakeTk]

Nice, will opt for 1080@30fps ultra setting.

 

[Venom Fox]

You guys do know this was in the leaked document. I did say this the other day. The document stated that 1080p users get extra graphical improvements if they don't use 4k.

 

[RooMHM]

1080p 45-60fps ? Is this a joke ? If yes it s a bad one

 

[NeoRaider]

This is already confusing for many ppl.

 

[Tagyhag]

This is how every Neo patch should be.

But lol@ north of 45.

Just lock it at 60 damn it. Put some settings down. You already have the 30fps being the bell and whistles mode. It's basically a "Graphics mode" or "Gameplay mode".

 

[BRSxIgnition]

You don't get 60fps just by keeping the res 1080p. Rise even at 1080p is still not going to be 60fps locked. The FPS gain is not double.

Not all games will be able to reach 60fps, but with some altered settings, I'm sure many could reach a true, locked 60fps mode, even if it isn't with every single bell and whistle intact.

Much like how devs will likely have to scale and alter visual effects to reach 4K @ 30fps (even with upscaling/rendering).

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Sony will just let developers do what they want.

Can developers choose to not do anything ? Like will we see improvements on Persona 5?

 

[Risk Breaker]

- 4K mode, the big resolution and developers made the optimal choices

- 1080p high framerate, the game running at >45 FPS targeting 60

- 1080p bells and whistles, 30 FPS locked with every processing technique pushed to the max


That sounds good to me.


Edit :

The source was the Crystal Dynamic guy on the Sony live. I'm sure you guys can find it.

Edit 2 :

60 FPs target with dips, and over 45, so I assume 45 minimum, mentioned optimal for speedrunning though, where dips are death, so heh.

Good to see devs already doing this.

There really isn't anything stopping any dev from also doing this.

 

[molnizzle]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

Yep.

For the record, I have a gaming PC and I hate fiddling with settings. I'd rather developers do all the fiddling for me and I just choose between 60fps or 30fps. This is reassuring.

 

[metareferential]

Just lock it at 60 damn it. Put some settings down. You already have the 30fps being the bell and whistles mode. It's basically a "Graphics mode" or "Gameplay mode".

This is something I could get behind.

No numbers, just "performance vs. quality". And a slider.

Let those weirdos play at 20fps if they want xD

 

[vg260]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

Yes. All bases covered. I don't see how anyone could take issue with this.

If someone is flustered by a three-way toggle in the options menu, most games would be too complex for them anyway.

 

[Aceun]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

Perfection.

Makes it clean and easy to understand.

 

[MarineMountie]

Buy a pc.

As someone who owns a PC and PS4, I ask...how is that helpful to those that want the great PS4 exclusives? Cant get those on PC.

 

[jelly]

Might work for this game but what about 60fps standard games like most FPS?

 

[Dragon1893]

Just give me Bloodborne at 60fps

Spoiler

or at least a locked 30.

 

[Yabberwocky]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

That would be fantastic.

 

[Wagram]

- 1080p high framerate, the game running at >45 FPS targeting 60

It's begun and it hasn't even been released. There's no reason a console of that spec shouldn't hit 60 fps stable. That's embarrassing.

 

[farisr]

Why the fuck didn't they tell us this during the conference?

They did say it in general that stuff like this can and will happen, but did it in a roundabout way, I think mainly due to it not being a set requirement and up to the devs.

-Some devs may just have a 4k mode in their games, which just downscales to 1080p, maybe giving better clarity or something but may not look all that different from other standard ps4 games at 1080p.

-While others may not target 4k at all, and have just a 1080p mode.

-and then there's devs like this which will have different modes on offer based on the resolution that the console is set to.

 

[Risk Breaker]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

Nah. 1080p Ultra-ish, 1080p normal settings with unlocked framerate and 4k normal settings @30 fps.

 

[Toki767]

Might work for this game but what about 60fps standard games like most FPS?

Then you'll probably get more visual fidelity?

 

[RoKKeR]

Interesting, I would be fine with games doing this so long as they package all of the different options clearly.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Can developers choose to not do anything ? Like will we see improvements on Persona 5?

It has to be full 1080p and the frame rate cannot be lower than it is on regular PS4.

I wouldnt expect Persona 5 to have a huge difference in its neo mode, it's a game focused on its art style, not on technical prowess. ( i mean that as a compliment).

 

[eFKac]

Hah I was exactly the same. I would be more in the settings menu trying to find the perfect playable settings with maximum eyecandy then actually playing the damn game. I would drive myself nuts with changing the settings.

But having said that I'm fine with having these options with the PRO. If they would just have 1 option which would be the higher resolution version it would be useless for all the 1080p owners.

My OCD is going crazy when I sometimes have a game on PC, I'm never happy with the settings, and I never had enough cash to have an up to date PC that could just max everything out.

 

[Maintenance]

Might work for this game but what about 60fps standard games like most FPS?

Rock solid 60fps, games like Battlefield or COD would appreciate that. Though I might think the CPU will still act as an anchor on some games like BF with 64 players.

 

[RK128]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

Honestly, this sums up how I want PS4 Pro to deal with the power boost. Well said and I hope every developer considers this for future titles on PS4.

 

[Melchiah]

I sincerely hope this is how developers use the Pro's upgrades.

An in-game setting choice between:

• Base PS4 Mode: 900-1080p @ 30fps.
• PS4 Pro 60fps Mode: 1080p @ 60fps. Maybe other improvements.
• PS4 Pro 4K Mode: 4K @ 30fps. Maybe other improvements/changes.

... is how ALL developers should do it.

Period.

Nah, you're missing one option; 1080/30fps with all the bells and whistles on Pro. I prefer better graphics over 60fps.